VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B4] [Braindrop]

[Goopgoop]

Crazy that people like you are still around here defending Braindrop. The way you view this and your mindset is absolutely irrelevant, it has no impact on reality. You are just some guy on the internet who has an unhealthy obsession with a porn game.

The reality is that Braindrop probably lost interest in this ages ago. He's got his own life to live and undoubtedly has better things to worry about than making a porn game. He will continue to do the absolute bare minimum so that his Patreon income will keep flowing in. He's never going to finish this because he doesn't need to for it to be profitable.

Braindrop would lose money if he finishes this and makes more money the longer he takes, same goes for any other developer on this site. If he finished this, everyone would unsubscribe from his Patreon. If he were to release bigger updates, or even just more updates, he would have to work harder to earn the same amount of money he would have if he were to release one or two small updates a year.

Also, there's absolutely no shot he releases an update with 750 renders. You are on crack if you think that is even a possibility. A 400-render update would be impressive for him.

Okay, and you're not "just some guy on the internet"? Your views have an impact on reality? We just have a difference of opinion on a subjective matter. Also what makes you think I'm obsessed? If anything, I'm not the one worrying about when something is released. I have plenty of fun things to do in the mean time.

You're right that there are incentives for Crowd-funded projects like this to take it slow. And nothing you say will change those incentives. But it's not your money, so why are you worried about it? Why do you care about what other people spend their money on? Are you going to write a post next about how people shouldn't go to McDonalds because their burgers taste like cardboard? And if it is your money, "vote with your wallet". It's not like I think he's a great dev. But that's why I'm not paying for his work. So it's costing me nothing. Because I don't obsess over it. I just enjoy it when it comes by and there's plenty other games to play (not just talking about the adult variety) and series to watch and things to do in the mean time.

So it's weird to me that you think what I'm doing is crazy. All I'm doing is reminding people that making something takes time and effort. And that they're not obliged to pay for it if they don't have faith in its completion. It's crazy to me that you think someone who focuses on the positive is dysfunctional and someone who focuses on the negative is normal, it's actually the other way around. You'll feel better if you let go of all this unnecessary (and as you yourself pointed out) irrelevant anger. Go punch a pillow with BrainDrops logo on it or something.

Edit: Oh, and I'm not on crack. I do smoke a joint every now and then tho. I can recommend it, you seem stressed.

 

[Darth Helmet]

I don't know why I expected anything less coming to this thread. I think I set myself up for disappointments every time. This feels like the Summertime Saga thread only slightly better. Which is crazy.

 

[Goopgoop]

Giving up on waiting for the update =/= given up on the game.
I still play it when it comes out. I just don't sit here "bubbling with anticipation" or biting my nails... it shows up, cool. If it doesn't, "LOL look at this trainwreck with another missed date"

And where are you getting any hint of me being angry?

The base emotion behind complaining is anger.
And taking joy in other people's (perceived*) failures is disdainful.

If it didn't matter to you you wouldn't be doing either of those things. You're negatively emotionally invested.

*sidenote: I doubt he sees WVM as a train wreck. If you sort the F95 game browser by likes, it takes the 11th spot. If that's a train wreck then 99% of all adult games are train wrecks.

 

[preglovr12]

The base emotion behind complaining is anger.

No it's not, it's disappointment, and if there's one word that can sum up what has happened to BD and this game, I cant think of any better.

 

[Goopgoop]

It takes like 2 minutes to catch up on this joke of a thread and type a forum post, how in the everloving fuck is that "LOTS of time"?

The post you just did? Sure. The rants he's been posting here for weeks, nah. I mean, you do you and he do his and all... but I don't like to spend that kind of effort on negativity. I reserve my negative emotions for non-trivial matters.

And before you try to flip it on me...I think trying to convince people to do the same is a reasonable use of some of my time but I'm probably gonna call it quits in a bit. Some people just live for that kinda negativity. But others are just stuck in a spiral. If I got through to anyone, cool. If I didn't, ahh well. I don't regret trying to help people "Awoosah" a bit. If nothing else I helped them vent some of their anger, right?

I'm a pretty positive thinker. Something has to be pretty severe for me to worry about it. I know what matters so I don't sweat the small stuff.

 

[preglovr12]

Something has to be pretty severe for me to worry about it.

I dont think anyone here is worried about anything.

 

[Goopgoop]

No it's not, it's disappointment, and if there's one word that can sum up what has happened to BD and this game, I cant think of any better.

Disappointment is not a base emotion. Disappointment is made up of surprise and either anger, disgust or sadness. Since you're complaining about someone, it's anger or disgust.

If you can sum up the entire development process of WVM with "disappointment", then you clearly haven't been correctly adjusting your expectations. Otherwise there would be no surprise, and thus no disappointment.

And as I've alluded to in other conversations, it's unhealthy (and unproductive) to waste your anger or disgust on trivial things. It doesn't make your life better, in fact, focusing on negative things in your life that you have the power to cut yourself free from makes your life worse. And by default, anyone here who is angry about WVM's development has the power to cut it out of their lives and seek out new things that do make them happy.

I once bought pre-order No Man's Sky. When the game came out, it didn't have a lot of things it promised. But rather than get angry, I decided that game was not worth the money I spent on it or me getting pissed off. Instead, I uninstalled the game. Never played it again, even when there was some PR thing about how they fixed it years later. I learned not to pre-order video games unless I had confidence in the dev. I view Patreon in the same way. I don't pay for WVM. Never have. But I do keep an eye on new releases. Because it's a good game even if the dev's professionalism is lacking.

To me, that's the healthy way to look at it. And again, anyone is free to disagree. I've always said that it's subjective, I just shared my (rather easy-going) view on the situation to help other people see that it's all about how they choose to look at it.

 

[Uthuriel]

It takes like 2 minutes to catch up on this joke of a thread and type a forum post, how in the everloving fuck is that "LOTS of time"?

Hey... preg... delete the thread... come on... just do it... just for the lulz...

 

[Goopgoop]

I dont think anyone here is worried about anything.

I guess they're just getting angry about nothing then.

 

[hic86]

The base emotion behind complaining is anger.
And taking joy in other people's (perceived*) failures is disdainful.

If it didn't matter to you you wouldn't be doing either of those things. You're negatively emotionally invested.

*sidenote: I doubt he sees WVM as a train wreck. If you sort the F95 game browser by likes, it takes the 11th spot. If that's a train wreck then 99% of all adult games are train wrecks.

Missing half or more of your release dates, ghosting your audience, and lying through your teeth on the regular, THAT makes it a train wreck.

Laughing about it is not taking joy in it necessarily. It's far healthier than getting upset about it. And I haven't complained yet IIRC.

You seem overly invested in it, to the extent of being willing to suck the ass of BD. It's cool you like the game, I'm glad you're excited, but making so many wrong assumptions of almost everyone you've been interacting with... at some point that is a you thing.

I don't want to see any dev struggle to keep their shit together. I can only imagine the effort that goes into most of these projects, but when you ban the people making criticism (from discord as an example), that won't be beneficial for anyone

 

[preglovr12]

I guess they're just getting angry about nothing then.

Again with the anger. What if it isnt anger? What if it's sadness instead since apparently everything boils down to a "base emotion"?

 

[hic86]

Again with the anger. What if it isnt anger? What if it's sadness instead since apparently everything boils down to a "base emotion"?

It's almost as if people are not capable of multiple emotions at the same time..... This makes me sad, angry, and a bit surprised.

Is that allowed?

 

[Goopgoop]

Again with the anger. What if it isnt anger? What if it's sadness instead since apparently everything boils down to a "base emotion"?

If it's sadness it's equally pointless. There are plenty more important things in the world to be sad about. If a dev is unprofessional, no amount of anger, disgust, sadness is going to change that. No amount of complaining is going to change that. There are people who come here week after week to complain. I can't understand that kind of negative emotional investment in any essentially-free content.

I wouldn't call BrainDrop professional either, but I get dogpiled for having a more lenient forgiving perspective. Now I'm not the type to let that bother me either, but the fact they're getting mad at me by association is pretty telling.

It just harshes the vibe of everyone who is positively engaged with the game to have to dig through pages of complaints just to read some useful information or interesting posts. Maybe it's worth considering creating a WVM hate thread so you can separate the groups. Then we can peacefully co-exist without having to bother each other.

 

[grim019]

Maybe it's worth considering creating a WVM hate thread so you can separate the groups.

I completely agree we should do this with everything even things irl. So no one has to hear an opinion that differs from their own.

 

[preglovr12]

Now I'm not the type to let that bother me either, but the fact they're getting mad at me by association is pretty telling.

No one's getting mad at you, you're just the only one here defending BD and his horrible practices. I think you have an issue imprinting emotion on something/someone that has none. 95% of us here are apathetic, a bunch are former patrons as well, feeling that they got ripped off and come here to keep up with all the bullshit BDs slinging. A year or two ago you might've had a point, but now, this thread is pure catharsis.

 

[hic86]

I completely agree we should do this with everything even things irl. So no one has to hear an opinion that differs from their own.

Careful, someone may take you literally.... Gotta be sure to emphasize that you're just making a joke

 

[jamdan]

If it's sadness it's equally pointless. There are plenty more important things in the world to be sad about. If a dev is unprofessional, no amount of anger, disgust, sadness is going to change that. No amount of complaining is going to change that. There are people who come here week after week to complain. I can't understand that kind of negative emotional investment in any essentially-free content.

I wouldn't call BrainDrop professional either, but I get dogpiled for having a more lenient forgiving perspective. Now I'm not the type to let that bother me either, but the fact they're getting mad at me by association is pretty telling.

It just harshes the vibe of everyone who is positively engaged with the game to have to dig through pages of complaints just to read some useful information or interesting posts. Maybe it's worth considering creating a WVM hate thread so you can separate the groups. Then we can peacefully co-exist without having to bother each other.

Initially, people are mad/angry/sad. But eventually, those feelings are replaced by indifference and they move on to other things.

The ones that do hang around do so because they either can't get over it, which is unhealthy as you say, or more likely are just shooting the breeze and screwing around. The same thing happens to many threads on here, when developers (either rightly or wrongly) get on peoples bad sides.

Unfortunately, it's hard for people who do still like the game / don't hate the dev to have a place in those threads. Threads that for the most part don't get moderated much if any after a certain point. So actually having more positive discussion, not getting made fun of when you post something positive and finding relevant information on a game can be very hard.

So the best you can do is to use your ignore list to manually filter out the more negative stuff. Or view it as people screwing around and fishing for likes and don't take them seriously.

 

[TigerWolfe]

No one's getting mad at you, you're just the only one here defending BD and his horrible practices. I think you have an issue imprinting emotion on something/someone that has none. 95% of us here are apathetic, a bunch are former patrons as well, feeling that they got ripped off and come here to keep up with all the bullshit BDs slinging. A year or two ago you might've had a point, but now, this thread is pure catharsis.

You call saying someone is unprofessional, defending them, because dude doesn't want to read 17 treatises on how Braindrop is the worst thing since gulags, just to see if there's an update on the game.

The haters in this thread are so over the top that anyone saying, yes he sucks at his job have you considered not caring, gets accused of defending the dude and by extension called all kinds of insulting names.

And if that's what you as a mod want this thread to be then could we please get a no salt thread because I'd like to keep track when and if something does happen but having to read (or at least clear the constant notifications) through 57 posts everyday, instead of getting alerted when there's an actual update is super annoying.

 

[TigerWolfe]

Initially, people are mad/angry/sad. But eventually, those feelings are replaced by indifference and they move on to other things.

The ones that do hang around do so because they either can't get over it, which is unhealthy as you say, or more likely are just shooting the breeze and screwing around. The same thing happens to many threads on here, when developers (either rightly or wrongly) get on peoples bad sides.

Unfortunately, it's hard for people who do still like the game / don't hate the dev to have a place in those threads. Threads that for the most part don't get moderated much if any after a certain point. So actually having more positive discussion, not getting made fun of when you post something positive and finding relevant information on a game can be very hard.

So the best you can do is to use your ignore list to manually filter out the more negative stuff. Or view it as people screwing around and fishing for likes and don't take them seriously.

You can't ignore mods and I'd rather not ignore devs who make games I follow, so this particular thread is a particularly irksome sticking point.

 

[preglovr12]

And if that's what you as a mod want this thread to be then could we please get a no salt thread because I'd like to keep track when and if something does happen but having to read (or at least clear the constant notifications) through 57 posts everyday, instead of getting alerted when there's an actual update is super annoying.

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