VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Johnny6]

Whut? Really? Wait?

Could you elaborate?

This is from patreons community guidelines


We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish creations, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish creations that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex.

We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing these types of creations, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative. For example, survivor stories or fiction such as Game of Thrones or Lolita are allowed on Patreon.

So there should be a way to make a incest game and stay in patreon.

 

[BeoWoolF]

In the rules about incest, Patreon gives Game of Thrones as an example of a possible exception to the rule since there are pre-exisisting incestuous relationships in those stories. The thing is, that would really only apply to a fan made continuation of GRR Martin's stories, similar to Star Wars novels like Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy, I doubt a porn game, even one featuring Martin's characters, would qualify.

Johnny6 was trying to clever, they failed, miserably.

Be nice Lemon

 

[Hammerhiem]

No, there really isn't. Adult games are, by their very nature, designed to be titilating which makes any claim to personal, historial or educational value impossible to make. Your heartbreaking real life story of being sexually exploited by your uncle from the age of 4 would likely qualify, your visual novel about a dude banging his 3 sisters and his mum will not.

I thought I was

A heartbreaking story of being sexualy exploited doesn't make particularly enjoyable game so i'll pass on that thanks.

I have no problem with games not doing an Incest route, but if you are be upfront that it's a placeholder and then when you finish up remove it from Patreon and release a patched version or leave it up and make a free publicly available patch elsewhere.

 

[Johnny6]

No, there really isn't. Adult games are, by their very nature, designed to be titilating which makes any claim to personal, historial or educational value impossible to make. Your heartbreaking real life story of being sexually exploited by your uncle from the age of 4 would likely qualify, your visual novel about a dude banging his 3 sisters and his mum will not.

Do you hate incest or why are you fighting against me. I'm only trying to find a way to game developers to put incest in their games, because that seems to be the kink that brings money.
What personal, historical or educational value GoT has? Isn't that just a fantasy story?
For now every game announces at the very beginning that this is just fiction, should they say this story is based on real life events?

 

[BeoWoolF]

A heartbreaking story of being sexualy exploited doesn't make particularly enjoyable game so i'll pass on that thanks.

I have no problem with games not doing an Incest route, but if you are be upfront that it's a placeholder and then when you finish up remove it from Patreon and release a patched version or leave it up and make a free publicly available patch elsewhere.

There's the nice thing about this game. Apart from very few things, like the relationship with Jamie, most is optional. Trans, Harem, which LI.. your choice.
Incest would also be I guess but as its not going to happen no reason to spill milk over it.
Should a modder take action, again everyone's choice to use it or not.

 

[Drakan47]

Do you hate incest or why are you fighting against me. I'm only trying to find a way to game developers to put incest in their games, because that seems to be the kink that brings money.

lemon (and the rest of us) doesn't hate incest, patreon does, no fighting and arguing in this unrelated forum will change the fact that patreon's rules are NO INCEST PORN. PERIOD. these games don't get the pass GoT gets because they are not "survivor stories or fiction", they are porn.

No one's "fighting against" you, he's telling you that you're wrong, because you are

 

[BeoWoolF]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I'm ...

I thought I was

Nope

 

[Johnny6]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I'm telling you that Patreon doesn't want incest on their site. They may make allowences for stories of people who wish to tell their story of being sexually abused or the telling a little known story from history that wouldn't be published elsewhere due to lack of interest.

Yes, devs are free to create patches for their games but that relies on a story in which the roles of relatives can easily be switched out, WVM's story needs Azel to be MC's adoptive mother and Willow to be his sister. Changing those relationships alters the story in a much more significant way than, for example, changing Midlife Crisis' tenants to daughters. And I'm sure it goes without saying that the actual rendering of scenes with Azel and Willow would be a lot of work.

As for my thoughts on incest, they aren't relevant but, if you must know, it's not a particular kink of mine but I hate when it's obviously been removed; Landlady/Tenant bullshit can fuck right off

No need to use rude language.. Yes I'm aware of that patreon doesn't want it in their site, mostly because outside pressure (paypal). But it still really pisses me off that someone can have incest in their creation in patreon some other can't.

It's renpy game and script file involves 'if' statements so there is couple of ways of making a patch.
Like you mentioned Midlife crises the pacth calls modified dialogues. In this game the incest content can be made in the game, but could only show when the patch calls it. Something like ' If there is a patch show scene 104, if not show scene 105' where one scene is sex and another one is just hug. And yes that is far more risky way to do it.

No one's "fighting against" you, he's telling you that you're wrong, because you are

How I can be wrong, although I have not claimed anything, just made suggestions.
Let it be childish, I'm just tired of seeing some of my favorite games patreon sites under review. Latest being Maim Lain and she doesn't even make incest contet, only restores it for others

 

[Hammerhiem]

How I can be wrong, although I have not claimed anything, just made suggestions.
Let it be childish, I'm just tired of seeing some of my favorite games patreon sites under review. Latest being Maim Lain and she doesn't even make incest contet, only restores it for others

Then they should move to SubscribeStar

There's a chance Patreon is about to go to the wall anyway, probably not but it's not impossible they fold because of their shitty T&C and actions.

Either way this game is not an Incest game, get used to it.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Next topic please

 

[moskyx]

No need to use rude language.. Yes I'm aware of that patreon doesn't want it in their site, mostly because outside pressure (paypal). But it still really pisses me off that someone can have incest in their creation in patreon some other can't.

It's renpy game and script file involves 'if' statements so there is couple of ways of making a patch.
Like you mentioned Midlife crises the pacth calls modified dialogues. In this game the incest content can be made in the game, but could only show when the patch calls it. Something like ' If there is a patch show scene 104, if not show scene 105' where one scene is sex and another one is just hug. And yes that is far more risky way to do it.


How I can be wrong, although I have not claimed anything, just made suggestions.
Let it be childish, I'm just tired of seeing some of my favorite games patreon sites under review. Latest being Maim Lain and she doesn't even make incest contet, only restores it for others

So she's creating incest content, "adding" it where it wasn't visible before. Seriously, drop it. It's not gonna happen, BD is not going to rewrite his story to make Azel a landlady. My guess he would probably render lewd scenes with them then release it under another identity aka Evil Modder, just be patient

 

[Hammerhiem]

Next topic please

Stacey and how she's the Mole?

 

[ZTex]

Stacey and how she's the Mole?

The only mole is the MC's dick judging by how many holes he's been in and out of.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Stacey and how she's the Mole?

Lol, I saw lemonfreak's smart-ass one then it vanished.
But I can't look at Stacy and think she's bad. I guess my mc is fucked if she turns out to be. I mean just look at her...

 

[ZTex]

So should we call it Monty then?

You could. I'm sure his Python doesn't mind.

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[Johnny6]

So she's creating incest content, "adding" it where it wasn't visible before. Seriously, drop it. It's not gonna happen, BD is not going to rewrite his story to make Azel a landlady. My guess he would probably render lewd scenes with them then release it under another identity aka Evil Modder, just be patient

My english is far from good, but either you didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand it. I did not mention anything about rewrite. Just what I have seen in other games and in their script. In one game there is a sex scene in game(suprise suprise) the secene is rather short, but via modifying script file or adding a patch it expands. So there could be a scene where MC kisses Azel and with patch it expads something more naughty.
But there is little to nothing we can do about so leaving this subject makes sense, let's just see what future brings.

 

[moskyx]

My english is far from good, but either you didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand it. I did not mention anything about rewrite. Just what I have seen in other games and in their script. In one game there is a sex scene in game(suprise suprise) the secene is rather short, but via modifying script file or adding a patch it expands. So there could be a scene where MC kisses Azel and with patch it expads something more naughty.
But there is little to nothing we can do about so leaving this subject makes sense, let's just see what future brings.

OK my bad. Did you read the rest of my message, though? He's not doing it in the official release version, he's not gonna risk it. That content will be there eventually for those interested, just not during normal game's development. Period.

 

[Alex Lem]

Since this topic is raised again. Incest is forbidden, but Killer7 with his amazing game "My new family" bypassed this ban with ease. In General, it is quite easy to do this using patches, or entering a special code in the game menu for a "full experience", as Killer7 did. If only Brain had the will to do it. IF he really decide to do this, then now he has an perfect opportunity, while he is editing and changing some of the dialogues in the text of the game and adds some new scenes for the entire first week. If he does not decide to do this now, then most likely, unfortunately, we will never see this in the game. Unless Mr. EVIL MODDER can do something, but I have doubts about this

 

[Deleted member 894997]

Hmmm when did this incest rule with stepsister/mother come?
Has it always been like that?
Take a game like “Single again”, where there are no real blood ties (and a incest patch would destroy the whole story) shouldn’t be allowed on patreon.
Hearing the mom (tbh the mom and harp are the best characters in this game in my opinion) won’t be a option kinda sux HARD!

 

[Johnny6]

OK my bad. Did you read the rest of my message, though? He's not doing it in the official release version, he's not gonna risk it. That content will be there eventually for those interested, just not during normal game's development. Period.

Yes, I read the rest of your message. And I said in the first post you quoted that, that way is far more risky. I'm not asking BD to do it or expect him to do it, just saying there is more ways to add it. Period.