stenctrum

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Q:
Any plans on adding music / other features?

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For the longest time I've been a big proponent that music in Visual Novels isn't necessary. Solely for the reason that I think music is so subjective that it makes so much more sense to just play your own.
Come on, that's just stupid. VN games needs music just as any other game. When i was starting with those games it didn't bother me at all but right now every game with no music for me is just unacceptable, especially if dev have big funding. Game with no music just feels low budget and unfinished. I don't wanna be bothered with playing my own. Rockstar could go out and say: why putting songs in GTA radio stations, let players put their own. This feels very cheap and lazy. WVM have it easy cuz there is a music mod but other games dont have that luck.
 

HornyyPussy

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Come on, that's just stupid. VN games needs music just as any other game. When i was starting with those games it didn't bother me at all but right now every game with no music for me is just unacceptable, especially if dev have big funding. Game with no music just feels low budget and unfinished. I don't wanna be bothered with playing my own. Rockstar could go out and say: why putting songs in GTA radio stations, let players put their own. This feels very cheap and lazy. WVM have it easy cuz there is a music mod but other games dont have that luck.
Wow! So in a few short sentences you called BD stupid, lazy and cheap......that's mildly impressive. Personally I couldn't care less if there are music in a Adult VN, i play my own music when play anyway.

Oh and FYI, compared to AAA titles (you compared with GTA) this IS low budget and game IS unfinished........


Some people...........
 

Tavi13

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Come on, that's just stupid. VN games needs music just as any other game. When i was starting with those games it didn't bother me at all but right now every game with no music for me is just unacceptable, especially if dev have big funding. Game with no music just feels low budget and unfinished. I don't wanna be bothered with playing my own. Rockstar could go out and say: why putting songs in GTA radio stations, let players put their own. This feels very cheap and lazy. WVM have it easy cuz there is a music mod but other games dont have that luck.
Funding has very little, if anything, to do with it.

It is just not the best use of time, or resources, to try and add soundtracks. I fully agree that background music can make a scene a lot better, but BD is right. Everyone has different tastes in music. No offense to BD or his music preferences (GFunk & 90's rap? Really?) but as a metalhead, those would literally be the last things I would want to have playing.

Because the topic of in-game music has come up in multiple threads here, I know I am not even close to the only person that just automatically mutes the music in these things.
 
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BTLD

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Come on, that's just stupid. VN games needs music just as any other game. When i was starting with those games it didn't bother me at all but right now every game with no music for me is just unacceptable, especially if dev have big funding. Game with no music just feels low budget and unfinished. I don't wanna be bothered with playing my own. Rockstar could go out and say: why putting songs in GTA radio stations, let players put their own. This feels very cheap and lazy. WVM have it easy cuz there is a music mod but other games dont have that luck.
so you're saying big money
comparing Rockstar to BD , while it is flattering for BD I would say ... that's not really a fair comparison
Rockstar made a game that sold on release day for 1billion dollars... BD makes what?20k in a month..in a good month?
indeed..the comparison is appropriate..
back to guarding the bridge please.
 

RedNoise

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I don't think adding music would hurt the game in any way, but BD is right about it being subjective.
I haven't played a single VN with music that I (personally) actually enjoyed, I end up muting all of them cause they're either the same royalty free loop over and over, or sound so bland there might as well be silence.
If you wanted to fill the length of a VN with enough music that it didn't start to feel terribly repetitive, but also fit the mood of the game, you'd have to collect, or commission a lot of tracks.
I also just happen to prefer silence when I'm reading.
Either way, he could please the crowd that wants music, but IMO that would be something to think about when the game is nearing the end, WVM still has a long way to go.
 

Naxos

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Come on, that's just stupid. VN games needs music just as any other game. When i was starting with those games it didn't bother me at all but right now every game with no music for me is just unacceptable, especially if dev have big funding. Game with no music just feels low budget and unfinished. I don't wanna be bothered with playing my own. Rockstar could go out and say: why putting songs in GTA radio stations, let players put their own. This feels very cheap and lazy. WVM have it easy cuz there is a music mod but other games dont have that luck.
Thank the holy flying spaghetti monster we had you to come and post and correct us of our ways... I guess I've been doing it wrong all this time when I instantly mute any and all music in the games because I don't want to listen to the dev's idea of what's cool or the same repetitive ear bleed inducing freebies most of games use.

The fact you're even comparing a billion dollar multi-team company to a single person creating something in their free time and making it available for free shows your total failure at any cognitive reasoning and are that you are totally unhindered by any knowledge of the facts.

Personally I love there is no music in WVM, or other even other surprise sound effects. Nothing like having all the renpy sounds set to mute and next thing having a slothering blowjob sound come through at max volume. I would much rather BD spends time on writing/coding or rendering that waist a single second on music.
 
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Spfjolietjake

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Come on, that's just stupid. VN games needs music just as any other game. When i was starting with those games it didn't bother me at all but right now every game with no music for me is just unacceptable, especially if dev have big funding. Game with no music just feels low budget and unfinished. I don't wanna be bothered with playing my own. Rockstar could go out and say: why putting songs in GTA radio stations, let players put their own. This feels very cheap and lazy. WVM have it easy cuz there is a music mod but other games dont have that luck.
I think music is the biggest waste of the devs time and effort especially when it includes hours or sorting through royalty-free tunes.

Rockstar can get known songs relatively cheap because of the mass number of players it reaches.

Not messing with music sound is smart not lazy imo.


I love how whenever the topic of music in games comes up you always get people coming out the woodwork to tell us about how they mute games. Like, nobody cares? Do you think that even a single person cares?
Yes, I care, because I mute vns. When some players demand sound it's our duty to let the dev and everyone know it isn't important to us.

These mute posts beat incest and when's the update all day long.

Did I mention I mute vns? Just making sure:p
 

HornyyPussy

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I think music is the biggest waste of the devs time and effort especially when it includes hours or sorting through royalty-free tunes.

Rockstar can get known songs relatively cheap because of the mass number of players it reaches.

Not messing with music sound is smart not lazy imo.




Yes, I care, because I mute vns. When some players demand sound it's our duty to let the dev and everyone know it isn't important to us.

These mute posts beat incest and when's the update all day long.

Did I mention I mute vns? Just making sure:p
Wouldn't a mute post be blank?
 

lolzw00t

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This is a wonderful game really enjoying it a lot, regards to all the music posts i really hand it to the dev whether he wants to add it or not, you can always rely on mod music or just music in the background of your choice, only thing i want the dev to focus on is adding as much quality content as possible expanding the game as he can.

in regards to overall experiences of VN's ive played the only thing i find most are lacking is well more descriptions during sex scenes, a lot of the games do a great job with the animations and everything, but besides a few "is this ok" and "moan aaahm" written around, i think it would be a lot more erotic if some extra writing was done in them, then again first time i actually played a game related to sex (i was still sorta conservative around porn then) was when a guy recommended i try corruption of champions and it was a big surprise to me that i was so involved with it, so my opinion on needing more texts along the animations may be biased.

anyways looking forward to more of this game, great job so far <3
 

HornyyPussy

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This is a wonderful game really enjoying it a lot, regards to all the music posts i really hand it to the dev whether he wants to add it or not, you can always rely on mod music or just music in the background of your choice, only thing i want the dev to focus on is adding as much quality content as possible expanding the game as he can.

in regards to overall experiences of VN's ive played the only thing i find most are lacking is well more descriptions during sex scenes, a lot of the games do a great job with the animations and everything, but besides a few "is this ok" and "moan aaahm" written around, i think it would be a lot more erotic if some extra writing was done in them, then again first time i actually played a game related to sex (i was still sorta conservative around porn then) was when a guy recommended i try corruption of champions and it was a big surprise to me that i was so involved with it, so my opinion on needing more texts along the animations may be biased.

anyways looking forward to more of this game, great job so far <3
Very good constructive "criticism"!

My dream scene would be a BD rendered WVM scene written by Nefastus (Dev of Midlife Crisis)
 

Naxos

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I love how whenever the topic of music in games comes up you always get people coming out the woodwork to tell us about how they mute games. Like, nobody cares? Do you think that even a single person cares?
I love how whenever there's a bit of discussion on a topic in games comes up you always get people coming out the woodwork to snipe at those taking part without adding anything to the conversation. Like, nobody cares? Do you think that even a single person cares?
 
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One of the reasons I love this game is precisely because I don't have to listen to some music that sounds like someone pitching their Kickstarter idea on repeat. Personally it takes me out of the experience. For me, the most sounds I like is some moans, and squishy sounds during sex, but even that can be grating if it's not implemented correctly.

I'd rather just let the Dev focus on knocking the big stuff out of the way before getting into these little nitpicks.
 

Master of Puppets

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I love how whenever there's a bit of discussion on a topic in games comes up you always get people coming out the woodwork to snipe at those taking part without adding anything to the conversation. Like, nobody cares? Do you think that even a single person cares?
You mean like the people who by virtue of not listening to the music are completely irrelevant to a discussion about the music in games? Yeah that sucks.
 

Naxos

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You mean like the people who by virtue of not listening to the music are completely irrelevant to a discussion about the music in games? Yeah that sucks.
Wait.. are you legitimately saying people choosing to not listen to music and letting the dev know, which therefore adds relevant data to to his question about if there is a need for it, if he should invest his time on something that people don't want or need, is irrelevant to to the topic at hand?

Let me put in simple steps that you can understand.

Should I as a dev spent time doing music.

a. Yes, music is life, I want it, I need it, i must have it or I won't play your stupid game.
b. Yes, but not important.
c. No, you got more important things to focus on.
d. Nah, not important I'll mute is any. Sorry you can't vote because Master of Puppets says so.
e. Meh, don't mind either way.

I've seen trolls and some retarded comments before but out right dismissing peoples opinions that are perfectly valid and relevant to the topic, takes the cake and also show's me you have zero concept on what the words relevant and irrelevant mean.


Edit: It's of particular interest to me, because I know of at least 4 people working on VN's where this is relevant and they've all asked the same question that BD has been thinking about, of which started this discussion. There was also another game in active dev on the site here, where this was a poll people could vote on, and I'm pretty certain of the options was along the lines of "don't care, i'm a muter".
 
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