VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Naxos]

Y'all keep using the word "outbursts" but I don't think you know what it means.

Reacting to a situation and protecting your loved ones, is not an outburst. Even demonstrating something twice in 18+ years, is hardly evidence of an outburst or anger management issues, particularly when every time is in response to a threat to a loved one or even an innocent.

The fact he didn't get violent with anyone or anything until there was a physical danger shows he has no "anger management issues", in fact it shows he has it managed correctly. Getting angry is not a problem or wrong. How you act on that or what you do with it is where the issues come in. There was nothing wrong with what he did or how he released that anger on any of the occasions it was shown.

That's not the point. The point is that he goes almost blind when it happens and just keeps punching, leaving his opponent very badly hurt, without him realizing what he's doing.

As Turkish said: "It's not a tickling competition. These lads are out to hurt each other. "

That's what Ryker set out to do, to hurt the MC and his family. You don't politely ask them to stop. You use the appropriate amount of force to stop the threat and you don't stop till the threat is stopped.



Side note, if you don't know who Turkish is, I point you to the greatest film ever made.

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[KiichiYakuza]

Sounds like you have some anger issues you need to deal with.



Jokes aside. I agree with you. He has no issues or anything to deal with. Someone puts hands on those you love, you damn well better step up and protect them. As Roosevelt once said, "talk softly and carry a big stick"; which I think the MC does pretty damn well.

He's reasonable and doesn't use violence, till it's needed, when it's needed, he does. Nothing wrong with that, it's the way it should be.

Yup.
I don't see an anger issue either.
The only two things that with enough malicious intent can be seen as such is the fact that Ryker previously had a history with dishing out mental and physical violence before and the fact he had to be stopped by an outsider.

Someone intentionally hurts and attacks someone you love and care about → you stop that.
Protecting someone from a violent person with the only working counter is not an anger issue.
What should he have done when Ryker hit his mom in the face?
Stop and scold him?



If you think that protecting someone you love and care about from potentially deadly violence via the use of violence after ALL attempts to de-escalate the situation have failed and caused further issues is an anger issue with the defending person you can't be helped.

those 2 quotes , exactly

That's not the point. The point is that he goes almost blind when it happens and just keeps punching, leaving his opponent very badly hurt, without him realizing what he's doing. That's something to explore precisely because he's not controlling it, and also something that seems to link him with his father. Learning why it is happening to him, and how to control it, seems to me like an important step in a process like the one the MC is living, coming to grips with his adult life while also recovering his lost family life. I hope Lauren to put her psychologist degree to a good use there. Now, will BD go for an in-depth exploration of this potentially interesting element, or will just overlook it and solve it the same way he threw away any kind of potential emotional conflict between Moms? That's another topic

I'm gonna say the same thing I said to the other user, put yourself in his position, are you going to tell me that you'd have been fine?or you'd have done the same thing as MC did.
MCs reaction is right on the money.
I see no anger issues there.

 

[Brannon]

Honestly, I think you should replay that part. MC's reaction is not a normal deffensive reaction. And it's not the first time either. It's clearly an anger issue.

Violence is not the solution, correct.
But at times violence is the only possible action.

You said it was not the first time either.
Yes. Yes it was.
In the known story until now MC never was in a bigger scuffle or involved in a violent outburst.

Thinking about violence is not a sign of an anger issue.
The fact he suppressed that though is a sign of good anger management.

 

[MrLKX]

What is nevertheless problematic is the first situation in which Ryker was struck down by our protagonist. It was clearly the dream sequence with his father that triggered the situation and was a kind of "sleepwalking" I suppose. Fortunately, it was only Ryker in that scenario who got punched in the nose. But what would have happened if someone else who really just wanted to help him had been in Ryker's place?

What I find problematic the second time is MC's "blackout" that he has while beating up Ryker. That definitely requires more scrutiny.

 

[Brannon]

What is nevertheless problematic is the first situation in which Ryker was struck down by our protagonist. It was clearly the dream sequence with his father that triggered the situation and was a kind of "sleepwalking" I suppose. Fortunately, it was only Ryker in that scenario who got punched in the nose. But what would have happened if someone else who really just wanted to help him had been in Ryker's place?

What I find problematic the second time is MC's "blackout" that he has while beating up Ryker. That definitely requires more scrutiny.

Nope.
He saw that violence was done to one of his loved ones and was reminded of his father.

That thought was not the trigger.
There is NO danger that random bystanders are attacked by MC.

He might want to seek a therapist to solve the past issues like feeling responsible for cedeys accident or the loss of his mom in younger years but anger issues are definitely not on the list of problems he has.

 

[Abhishek_tanwar]

I think those rage outbursts will be explored, as he's clearly out of control whenever it happens. It's not a simple reaction to an aggression, he completely loses it. It's basically the MC reacting as his father did so I also expect it to play some role in the story. Not to make something dramatic about it, but for the MC to better know himself and improve.

I am not sure about exploring outbursts related idea or mc improving himself about this situation but In personal point of view, If loved once are threatened with this kind of situation. I would say he did what he needed to be done to that scum. His sister was punched and other were facing baseball on face.

I would be angry if mc didn't put that guy in coma.

 

[KiichiYakuza]

I am not sure about exploring outbursts related idea or mc improving himself about this situation but In personal point of view, If loved once are threatened with this kind of situation. I would say he did what he needed to be done to that scum. His sister was punched and other were facing baseball on face.

I would be angry if mc didn't put that guy in coma.

sister?I think you mean mom?

 

[Abhishek_tanwar]

sister?I think you mean mom?

Yeah sorry about that ! It's have been so long I might be wrong about the relationship but you got the idea, What I am saying.

 

[ZTex]

I am not sure about exploring outbursts related idea or mc improving himself about this situation but In personal point of view, If loved once are threatened with this kind of situation. I would say he did what he needed to be done to that scum. His sister was punched and other were facing baseball on face.

I would be angry if mc didn't put that guy in coma.

I mean i've been in the MC's situation with a family member being threatend. Now i was young and impulsive so don't take me as a model case but looking back even i'd say what i did in bludgeoning a guy unconscious was a bit too far.

I can't say it's an anger issue for the MC though, seems more like tunnel vision. He was fixated on removing a problem and did it the wrong way for the right reasons.

 

[KiichiYakuza]

Yeah sorry about that !

was just confused for a sec there,
"sis was there??? I don't remember that... think I need to replay it.."

 

[moskyx]

I don't have anything else to add. Reacting violently to a violent aggression is OK. Losing out completely and being on the verge of killing someone without even realizing what you're doing, once he's already dealt with, is not. There's something there to explore, if BD wants to go that way.

I just hope don't ever get on your bad side, it's scary how you consider that losing all sense of reality and punching someone to a coma seems like a reasonable attitude to all of you.

 

[Abhishek_tanwar]

I mean i've been in the MC's situation with a family member being threatend. Now i was young and impulsive so don't take me as a model case but looking back even i'd say what i did in bludgeoning a guy unconscious was a bit too far.

I can't say it's an anger issue for the MC though, seems more like tunnel vision. He was fixated on removing a problem and did it the wrong way for the right reasons.

I an not agree with you on this point. In this situation for me threat need to be neutralized(I would say you did good.) It's good not to expect baseball when you turn around to huge your family.

 

[Brannon]

I don't have anything else to add. Reacting violently to a violent aggression is OK. Losing out completely and being on the verge of killing someone without even realizing what you're doing, once he's already dealt with, is not. There's something there to explore, if BD wants to go that way.

I just hope don't ever get on your bad side, it's scary how you consider that losing all sense of reality and punching someone to a coma seems like a reasonable attitude to all of you.

What you seem to ignore is that MC at the time that happened has been attacked multiple times already and was not "fully present" mentally. He was injured in the back, the shoulder, the head, ..., by being previously attacked by four dudes while one of them sported a weapon intended to kill the MC.
Entering "fight or flight mode" and tunnel visioning on the attacker that sported that deadly weapon to prevent further damage to him or a loved one is not an anger issue.

I'd like to see your reaction to a threat when you are injured and thus adrenaline pumps through your veins.
That substance more or less switches off the brain to keep it from interfering with survival.

 

[ZTex]

I don't have anything else to add. Reacting violently to a violent aggression is OK. Losing out completely and being on the verge of killing someone without even realizing what you're doing, once he's already dealt with, is not. There's something there to explore, if BD wants to go that way.

I just hope don't ever get on your bad side, it's scary how you consider that losing all sense of reality and punching someone to a coma seems like a reasonable attitude to all of you.

Not all. As i said, been there done that. It is something you'd have to go through to understand.

To put it in terms most people understand, a lot places they have laws that fall under the "Crime of Passion" defense. The case the MC finds himself in definitely fits said situation and his otherwise nonplussed demeanor showcases that this was an anomaly. If we had more of a pattern of his base instinct being to break everyone he came across or him flipping out at even the mildest of slights then i'd agree he had an anger management or impulse control issue but that's not the case.

 

[PrimeGuy]

The anger thing has been explored on both sides, so I'm not going to add to it. I will say, though, that what the MC did to Ryker I don't think is just going to go away and never come back. The fact that we still don't know how badly he was hurt says that it's going to come out later to some serious impact. It's already been said that it's being kept from the MC to protect him, but those kinds of situations often backfire.

 

[Brannon]

Yes.
And No.

It was clearly visible on several viral videos that Ryker and his goons attacked a somewhat random dude and the MC first. With a weapon and deadly intent.
Regardless of how overpaid the lawyers are that Ryker can afford, if any, the issue will not come around to bite MC in the ass later on.
There is absolutely no way in hell or other places Ryker can weasel his way out and cause further headaches.

In the beta part whatshername assured the MC in the message that Ryker won't be a problem.
So did the lawyer chick whose name eludes me right now.
Raechel did the same.

 

[Master of Puppets]

What is nevertheless problematic is the first situation in which Ryker was struck down by our protagonist. It was clearly the dream sequence with his father that triggered the situation and was a kind of "sleepwalking" I suppose. Fortunately, it was only Ryker in that scenario who got punched in the nose. But what would have happened if someone else who really just wanted to help him had been in Ryker's place?

Didn't Stacy tell him that Ryker was getting handsy with her or something? He was sleepwalking at the time so he couldn't recognise what he was actually seeing, but if Stacy was struggling with Ryker I'd say knocking him out that time was justified as well.

 

[MrLKX]

Didn't Stacy tell him that Ryker was getting handsy with her or something? He was sleepwalking at the time so he couldn't recognise what he was actually seeing, but if Stacy was struggling with Ryker I'd say knocking him out that time was justified as well.

I don't remember the exact conversation with Ryker about the first encounter, I just remember him trying to scare her away or something. And yes, Ryker getting punched in the nose is, in retrospect, quite justified in terms of his plans, but it doesn't change the fact that someone else who really wanted to help him could have gotten punched in the nose, precisely because our protagonist was sleepwalking and not in control of his senses.

Unless we now argue that while our protagonist was asleep, Ryker said something or had a similar athmospere around him that reminded our character's subconscious of his father.

 

[Brannon]

Unless we now argue that while our protagonist was asleep, Ryker said something or had a similar athmospere around him that reminded our character's subconscious of his father.

Not relevant.

Sleepwalking people almost always react with violence when unexpectedly woken up.
That is a scientificly proven fact and not only an urban myth.
The MC was kind of lucky Cedey already was awoken from her sleepwalking experience when he found her barefoot in the streets. Otherwise he may have left the experience with a new scar.
It does not matter if the first person they see is his/her mother or a serial killer with an axe. They can and mostly do react aggressively against that person.

 

[LordDreamWolf]

Not sure what the civilian laws are but depending on the situation the military had/has regs stating a person was not responsible for any violent outbursts from being woke up suddenly. I cannot remember The length of time that was covered in that reg. But basically it covers situations like MC in the basement with Ryker, and Harper punching the MC in the nose after the nightmare