VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

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indio68

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any news aboutn this game...was 1 of my favourite game and suddenly it disappeared from rada5r cuz dev thought wasn't good enough...and i'm struggling to see how story went..damn ..hater when devs kill their ownm creeatures..expecially when there was nothing bad in their game.
 
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Joshua Tree said:
Didn't say he didn't do that. Just people are quick to jump the guns on some creators while give others a free pass for same things. I haven't mentioned any other creators by name though. Just using the label creator generic in this case...

Tbh, when I pledge to a creator I do so for support the creator. Creator's doesn't necessary stop need our support just because they go through a rough time though.
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I was giving a reason that this one, specifically, tends to get a 'free pass'. Creators I see vilified don't pause pledges for delays and such. That's just my experience though. Maybe yours is different.
 
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indio68 said:
any news aboutn this game...was 1 of my favourite game and suddenly it disappeared from rada5r cuz dev thought wasn't good enough...and i'm struggling to see how story went..damn ..hater when devs kill their ownm creeatures..expecially when there was nothing bad in their game.
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The Dev had a series of unfortunate real life events, and when he asked for feedback about releasing the content he has every few weeks or just wait untill the Dev was completely happy with the content, the supporters (in my opinion making a mistake) encouraged the Dev into staying in the spiral of redoing content.

Im my opinion, that will end up causing the Dev even more stress and anxiety because the content keeps not getting released, while if he had released something even if he wasnt 100% happy, that weight wouldnt be on his shoulders anymore.

Its not the Dev fault though, he asked for feedback probably because he recognized that he was in a rabbit hole, but instead of getting a rope to get out of it, he was pushed even further down.
 
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When asked about releasing it now on discord he give some nonesense reason about needing it to be perfect in his mind so that he could deal with peoples feedback about it. Which isn't how to go about making a game. Think the only ever useful feedback to him was to change how the princess was hiding in the basement from everyone.
 
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juan palote said:
The Dev had a series of unfortunate real life events, and when he asked for feedback about releasing the content he has every few weeks or just wait untill the Dev was completely happy with the content, the supporters (in my opinion making a mistake) encouraged the Dev into staying in the spiral of redoing content.

Im my opinion, that will end up causing the Dev even more stress and anxiety because the content keeps not getting released, while if he had released something even if he wasnt 100% happy, that weight wouldnt be on his shoulders anymore.

Its not the Dev fault though, he asked for feedback probably because he recognized that he was in a rabbit hole, but instead of getting a rope to get out of it, he was pushed even further down.
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Regardless of feedback, he's the sole creator. He shouldn't do something out of feedback pressure that he's not comfortable with. This is not a public company he's running.
 
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aaachris said:
Regardless of feedback, he's the sole creator. He shouldn't do something out of feedback pressure that he's not comfortable with. This is not a public company he's running.
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That wasnt my point. He asked for feedback for a reason, and i think that reason was that he was starting to realize he was in a rabbit hole. Its was a subconcious cry for help, to get out of the viscious circle. He never asked for feedback like that before.

His supporters failed to recognize that and encouraged him to stay in the blockade he is having. Its not rare for authors to enter a block state, and its usual external pressure (either with deadlines or feeedback from people close to them that recognize the issue) that they manage to get out of the block state
 
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Joshua Tree

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juan palote said:
That wasnt my point. He asked for feedback for a reason, and i think that reason was that he was starting to realize he was in a rabbit hole. Its was a subconcious cry for help, to get out of the viscious circle. He never asked for feedback like that before.

His supporters failed to recognize that and encouraged him to stay in the blockade he is having. Its not rare for authors to enter a block state, and its usual external pressure (either with deadlines or feeedback from people close to them that recognize the issue) that they manage to get out of the block state
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Not write the story/plot/characters complete first, and just make it up as you go along starting with a few ideas.. Perfect way to paint yourself into a corner. Adding a ton of characters that would require a own manuscript just to keep track of, doesn't do yourself any favors either.. Perfect recipe to turn your project into a chore and burn your candle from both ends..
 
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Krynh said:
When asked about releasing it now on discord he give some nonesense reason about needing it to be perfect in his mind so that he could deal with peoples feedback about it. Which isn't how to go about making a game. Think the only ever useful feedback to him was to change how the princess was hiding in the basement from everyone.
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If struggling mentaly, I wouldn't say be on Discord with people bother you all the time about when the next update, is the most healthy place to be though..
 
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Joshua Tree said:
Not write the story/plot/characters complete first, and just make it up as you go along starting with a few ideas.. Perfect way to paint yourself into a corner. Adding a ton of characters that would require a own manuscript just to keep track of, doesn't do yourself any favors either.. Perfect recipe to turn your project into a chore and burn your candle from both ends..
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He said a long time ago he had the full story basically already written, and he'd come up with the specific lines of dialogue and description when making the update.
 
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Aioto said:
He said a long time ago he had the full story basically already written, and he'd come up with the specific lines of dialogue and description when making the update.
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Writing a story for games such as this is close to make manuscripts for tv/movies. They don't start make up the dialogues at the time they start film. You can sketch down the outline of a story but if you have to keep flesh out and backfill dialogues every step on the way afterwards that is not have the story/script made before starting imho. It's would be like someone writing a book and then wait with add all dialogues until all the chapters done.
 
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I said a couple years ago (my last post in this thread), and this is probably controversial, but I think this game blowing up the way it did actually hurt BD overall. Sure, it made/makes him a lot of money. But going from a nobody to one of the most popular game developers seemingly overnight puts a huge pressure on someone. Pressure he is now feeling in the midst of a series of personal tragedies.

He didn't have a slower buildup like almost every other developer, including pro's like Pinkcake and Philly had. A lot of people get into making games to make $$$, but having a slower buildup is actually very beneficial. You learn and improve, under lesser pressure, and when/if you do get big, you're prepared for it.

But with BD? Nope. He was a modest dev for a while, when he was doing weekly or bi-weekly releases. Then people subbed. A lot. This thread blowup. Tons of supporters...along with some haters. Some, like myself, who became dissatisfied with the game just quietly left and didn't even get noticed. But along the way, this game became one of the most polarizing on the site. You either love it, or you hate it. This just adds to BD's mental health issues. Figuratively speaking, he was tossed into the fire.

And then you have IRL issues causing even more problems/pressure. So, combine pressure/expectations of thousands of fanboys. And some haters/controversy. And a series of unfortunate IRL issues. Yeah, it gets difficult to say the least. The issues he is dealing with today have been building up for literally most of this games history.

Hopefully he doesn't go down the perfectionist rabbit hole, that pretty much spells doom for this game. As it has for many others. But I also think this is the pressure of expectation manifesting itself. He is experiencing IRL issues -> Update delay -> Fans get antsy -> BD wants to keep his fans happy -> Try's to make the update the best possible -> Self-doubt/Perfectionism creeps in -> More delay -> Fans get antsy....

Not a good cycle to be in.
 
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Krynh said:
When asked about releasing it now on discord he give some nonesense reason about needing it to be perfect in his mind so that he could deal with peoples feedback about it. Which isn't how to go about making a game. Think the only ever useful feedback to him was to change how the princess was hiding in the basement from everyone.
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This dude needs to toughen up. Not for the update, but for his kid....
 
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juan palote

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Joshua Tree said:
Not write the story/plot/characters complete first, and just make it up as you go along starting with a few ideas.. Perfect way to paint yourself into a corner. Adding a ton of characters that would require a own manuscript just to keep track of, doesn't do yourself any favors either.. Perfect recipe to turn your project into a chore and burn your candle from both ends..
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As far as i know, he has the outline of the story written
 
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jamdan said:
Hopefully he doesn't go down the perfectionist rabbit hole, that pretty much spells doom for this game. As it has for many others. But I also think this is the pressure of expectation manifesting itself. He is experiencing IRL issues -> Update delay -> Fans get antsy -> BD wants to keep his fans happy -> Try's to make the update the best possible -> Self-doubt/Perfectionism creeps in -> More delay -> Fans get antsy....

Not a good cycle to be in.
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This is exactly what has happened. The anticipation has been built up for so long that he's worried the update will not be enough/worth the wait for some. It's ready but he's not ready to potentially face negative feedback in his mental state.

Although I do believe the overall reception would be more positive than not, it's inevitable that it won't live up to the wait for some. He would be better off releasing it as is and then taking a proper break to sort himself out. One less weight off his shoulders.
 
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I don't support BD financially, so I can't complain. Though I am on the dev team of another game on here. So I understand some of the stress BD is under. I agreed he needs to just drop the Update, then take a break for a month or two to rest, refresh, and deal with his grief
 
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