VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Tokenugget]

Hey. In my post I was not pointing to anyone specifically. Sorry if you feel somehow offended about my post but was not pointed to you or anyone else. I do like the game and respect the developer, but the drama is eating up this thread so bad.

Anyways, seeing the last minute patrons post from the DB is just as I suspected. He is going through rough times for sure yet I do believe he will be back on track with the game updates.

No worries, not offended at all. I'm sure my posts come off as hating the game, but actually it's the contrary.

 

[juan palote]

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Okay, so I tried to keep it short and to the point but that almost always feels like a mistake because when you're this behind on something, people assume the worst and completely forget everything you've said in the past so you have to say it again.

I went ahead and made this day in the life of as I have been dealing with issues around releasing the main update. Mainly anxiety just based off the many changes and the delays and everything.
Mental health hasn't been doing so hot and I don't think I could handle a bad release right now. I couldn't handle the backlash or criticism and I feel like it would do way more long term damage to me than waiting a little bit longer.
I care a lot about this shit, too much in fact. I'm not here twiddling an evil mustache I'm here trying to fucking function and get through it.
That's the complete truth, it doesn't make me sound good but it's what's happening.
Many have said to just release it and walk away from the computer but I know myself and I wouldn't be able to.

I've also been in a mood where I want to change everything about the update but I know that's mostly the anxiety manifesting itself so I've done my best to not touch the actual update as I'm worried about going down the rabbit hole of "fixing" everything.

Add those things together and I decided to make something I've been talking about for well over a year.
I'm not focusing on DITLO over the update or anything. I have no intentions of working on the next one until at least July anyway.
I made DITLO simply because it felt good to make right now. I'm hoping putting something out there even if it's not what everyone wants will help me get over some of my release anxiety.

That's it. All of this has been said before but now it's all in one place so hopefully it translates better.
Also I haven't completely stopped working on the main game. I've still been making progress with the month 1 redo and the update after this one.

Okay, ditlo dropping soon. Thanks for reading (again)

I understand what he says, and it is what i feared, he thinks this will help him get out of the circle of redoing stuff.

It wont, the only way to get out of the perfectionist circle is to understand that its a viscious circle and to stop trying to reach perfection.

I do believe he is doing everything in good faith, and this is what i meant a few days ago when i said the patreons that voted to wait untill he thinks the update is ready instead of giving him a rope to get ouf of the rabbit hole, they pushed Braindrop even further down.

The update will NEVER be perfect in his eyes. There will always be something to do slitghly different. The updates where really good when they were done weekly, it will be great after so many months, the problem is in his head, not on the update.

 

[FreshRevenge]

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Okay, so I tried to keep it short and to the point but that almost always feels like a mistake because when you're this behind on something, people assume the worst and completely forget everything you've said in the past so you have to say it again.

I went ahead and made this day in the life of as I have been dealing with issues around releasing the main update. Mainly anxiety just based off the many changes and the delays and everything.
Mental health hasn't been doing so hot and I don't think I could handle a bad release right now. I couldn't handle the backlash or criticism and I feel like it would do way more long term damage to me than waiting a little bit longer.
I care a lot about this shit, too much in fact. I'm not here twiddling an evil mustache I'm here trying to fucking function and get through it.
That's the complete truth, it doesn't make me sound good but it's what's happening.
Many have said to just release it and walk away from the computer but I know myself and I wouldn't be able to.

I've also been in a mood where I want to change everything about the update but I know that's mostly the anxiety manifesting itself so I've done my best to not touch the actual update as I'm worried about going down the rabbit hole of "fixing" everything.

Add those things together and I decided to make something I've been talking about for well over a year.
I'm not focusing on DITLO over the update or anything. I have no intentions of working on the next one until at least July anyway.
I made DITLO simply because it felt good to make right now. I'm hoping putting something out there even if it's not what everyone wants will help me get over some of my release anxiety.

That's it. All of this has been said before but now it's all in one place so hopefully it translates better.
Also I haven't completely stopped working on the main game. I've still been making progress with the month 1 redo and the update after this one.

Okay, ditlo dropping soon. Thanks for reading (again)

I do appreciate you providing these updates here.

Now my thoughts on his speech. If his mental health is so bedridden so to speak that he can't work on the update. He shouldn't be working on anything at all. No birthday renders, no 8 episode side project. Because if he can put in the effort of rendering birthday renders and 167 render project, he has the mental aptitude to work on the promise of the main update.

Funny he is getting criticism from not providing the update. So he is worried about criticism if he provides the update but he is still getting criticized for not providing an update.

Reminds me of the Reaper logic in Mass Effect.

We created synthetics to kill organics so synthetics don't kill organics.

Like I am making birthday renders and this 8 episode so I don't get criticized about the main update but I am getting criticized because I am not providing the main update.

 

[Ozzfest]

Honestly, from the sounds of it, if he's really stressed out about the update, from where I'm sitting, it sounds more like self sabotage at this point, where he's stressed because he thinks the update isn't perfect, in turn delaying it, and in turn causing him to stress out more because of the delay, in turn causing him to overthink things and see more flaws in the update, causing him to re-work it, in turn delaying it further, and now he's entered into an endless spiral that's going to fuck him over hard. I hate that he's going through this, but at this point, he may very well just need to bite the bullet and release what there is, because if he doesn't, he's going to keep remaking the update, delaying it, causing more delays, and screw himself over beyond repair. Worst of all, that will lead to massive distrust within those who support him and in turn, possibly lead to a major decline in supporters.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Havoc_313]

So instead of providing people with the 2000K render update that he promised months ago. He is wasting time with other stuff? I mean seriously. The guy goes into a "I can't work because I am sad blah blah blah". But decides to work on stuff that people are not looking forward to instead.

It amazes me that his supporter put up with it!

Have you ever worked on something while dealing with tragedy or grief, especially a passion of yours? Sometimes the best thing you can do is shift to something other than it so it doesn't become a burden or worse so you don't trash it out of spite or self destruction. He hasn't given up on it he's simply shifted to a side project within it so he doesn't lose the passion for his work.

 

[Joshua Tree]

My own interest in WVM has waned heavily, mostly because impregnation and pregnacy are massive turn-offs for me but seem to be BD's primary flavour. There was the initial promise that Rachel's clients would feature only until they were impregnated at which point thy would no longer be part of MC's life; that turned out to be untrue as 2 of the clients have turned out to have larger roles within the story.

Then there was the Talismah debacle where BD, as far as I can tell, combined an LI with a client which resulted in a storyline in which Rachel was pimping out her pseudo-daughter.

Finally there was the last actual update in which Jamie all butadmitted that she intends to get pregnant by the MC, despite the fact that is a really stupid thing to do since she's 18 years old and MC has yet to secure his future by getting drafted.

At this point I'm watching this thread with popcorn, I no longer care about the game but enjoy the back and forth.

In the real world, no one would get drafted with such a harem regardless. No team would want to deal with such a clusterfuck waiting to happen

 

[Reniere]

I understand what he says, and it is what i feared, he thinks this will help him get out of the circle of redoing stuff.

It wont, the only way to get out of the perfectionist circle is to understand that its a viscious circle and to stop trying to reach perfection.

I do believe he is doing everything in good faith, and this is what i meant a few days ago when i said the patreons that voted to wait untill he thinks the update is ready instead of giving him a rope to get ouf of the rabbit hole, they pushed Braindrop even further down.

The update will NEVER be perfect in his eyes. There will always be something to do slitghly different. The updates where really good when they were done weekly, it will be great after so many months, the problem is in his head, not on the update.

The messed up part is that even if its perfect in his eyes. It will not be perfect for someone out there.

 

[Alex Lem]

My own interest in WVM has waned heavily, mostly because impregnation and pregnacy are massive turn-offs for me but seem to be BD's primary flavour. There was the initial promise that Rachel's clients would feature only until they were impregnated at which point thy would no longer be part of MC's life; that turned out to be untrue as 2 of the clients have turned out to have larger roles within the story.

Then there was the Talismah debacle where BD, as far as I can tell, combined an LI with a client which resulted in a storyline in which Rachel was pimping out her pseudo-daughter.

Finally there was the last actual update in which Jamie all butadmitted that she intends to get pregnant by the MC, despite the fact that is a really stupid thing to do since she's 18 years old and MC has yet to secure his future by getting drafted.

At this point I'm watching this thread with popcorn, I no longer care about the game but enjoy the back and forth.

Impregnation and pregnacy are massive turn-offs for you It's good that there are only few people like you, cuz there is nothing better than this

 

[juan palote]

The messed up part is that even if its perfect in his eyes. I will not be perfect for someone out there.

Nothing is perfect, even the Divine Comedy has criticisms.

The problem isnt the quality of the update, its the Dev's being in a mental rabbit hole about it.

The solution, that often in real life is reached by someone demanding a deadline or the author getting feedback from close people, is to release the product.

That would lift the weight of his shoulders, and he can go back and change something after if something is really bad, it wouldnt be the first one doing it or the first time, but he would be out of the rabbit hole

Doing the DITLO wont help, its just kicking the problem further in time

 

[Krynh]

I don't remember him ever talking about Day in the life of over the past year . It was mostly about the rework and the promise of having updates and multiple beta's

Good riddance.

Englen, Readit was perfectly entitled as a patron to ask Braindrop why he was making DITLO and not releasing WVM.

 

[lemonfreak]

Impregnation and pregnacy are massive turn-offs for you It's good that there are only few people like you, cuz there is nothing better than this

There are well over 7 billion people on planet Earth, we're hardly an endangered species. 5 million humans feels about right.

 

[FreshRevenge]

Another thing I want to point out is, okay so he is doing this 8-episode project and its basically in the same world of the main game but it's a day in the world of certain characters in the main game.

So, he is going to have to put in the same care and consideration that he would put into the main game.

If his mental state was that he couldn't work on the main game because of criticism, what is that to preclude that from his side project? Maybe people will end up criticizing this side project?

So either way, whether it's the main game that gets criticized or this 8 episode project. He is going to face criticism regardless.

Now again if the mental state was that bad and he wanted to take a break from the game, he could have said well I am going to take some guitar lessons, or maybe go on a camping trip with the family. But to work on the game as his means to escape from working on the main game is not really going to help him out.

 

[Deleted member 4374281]

You know...it's the dude's game. It's the dude's art. It's the dude's happiness. If, as the creator, he decides to do one thing or the other...guess what? He should do it. Ultimately when doing this project...he shouldn't listen to what anyone wants but him. That's the problem with all of these websites where people fund artists. In order to get the financial support, you have to feel obligated to do extra things to make them happy. It's basically artistic prostitution. Then you compound that when you have people...like many of us, including myself...bitching and feeling obligated to cry about why the creator isn't doing what we want him to do.

Oh nooooo he is including pregnancy. How dare he! I...I won't stand for this! I'M NOT DOWNLOADING HIS UPDATE FOR FREE EVER AGAIN!

Pfft. If any of us feels that high and mighty we really should look at ourselves in the mirror and cry. Fact is...this project belongs to the creator. Whether we provide any money or not...in the end...it's still HIS project. And we are along for the ride. At least that's what it should be...but the whole financial side of things makes it a lot more fucking complicated. I hate patreon and I hate every other site like it. Sure the money is nice, but feeling like you have to do extra is bullshit and an unnecessary pressure that ultimately distracts from the main project.

Also...it kind of made it impossible for certain family members to get involved in the harem. That's the biggest loss of all.

 

[juan palote]

You know...it's the dude's game. It's the dude's art. It's the dude's happiness. If, as the creator, he decides to do one thing or the other...guess what? He should do it. Ultimately when doing this project...he shouldn't listen to what anyone wants but him. That's the problem with all of these websites where people fund artists. In order to get the financial support, you have to feel obligated to do extra things to make them happy. It's basically artistic prostitution. Then you compound that when you have people...like many of us, including myself...bitching and feeling obligated to cry about why the creator isn't doing what we want him to do.

Oh nooooo he is including pregnancy. How dare he! I...I won't stand for this! I'M NOT DOWNLOADING HIS UPDATE FOR FREE EVER AGAIN!

Pfft. If any of us feels that high and mighty we really should look at ourselves in the mirror and cry. Fact is...this project belongs to the creator. Whether we provide any money or not...in the end...it's still HIS project. And we are along for the ride. At least that's what it should be...but the whole financial side of things makes it a lot more fucking complicated. I hate patreon and I hate every other site like it. Sure the money is nice, but feeling like you have to do extra is bullshit and an unnecessary pressure that ultimately distracts from the main project.

Also...it kind of made it impossible for certain family members to get involved in the harem. That's the biggest loss of all.

This is bullshit.

Many of the art pieces we have today were thanks to the Medici preassuring the artists to deliver their work. I think it was Michelangelo that that was never happy with their work but had to deliver the pieces to the Medici's because they were paying him.

What you dont understand, if that if someone doesnt help this people to get out of the rabbit hole of perfeccionism, they would never finish anything, which is a problem many had.

 

[Xazz]

how long has it been since the last update? I actually cant remember.

 

[Krynh]

how long has it been since the last update? I actually cant remember.

Thread Updated: 2021-10-17
Release Date: 2021-10-15

 

[Deleted member 4374281]

This is bullshit.

Many of the art pieces we have today were thanks to the Medici preassuring the artists to deliver their work. I think it was Michelangelo that that was never happy with their work but had to deliver the pieces to the Medici's because they were paying him.

What you dont understand, if that if someone doesnt help this people to get out of the rabbit hole of perfeccionism, they would never finish anything, which is a problem many had.

Good grief.

how long has it been since the last update? I actually cant remember.

Since the dinosaurs, sadly. But we're still moving ahead. One day at a time. Playing other games and arguing about harems, NTR, and whether or not such-in-such game is ever going to be finished.

 

[lemonfreak]

Oh nooooo he is including pregnancy. How dare he! I...I won't stand for this! I'M NOT DOWNLOADING HIS UPDATE FOR FREE EVER AGAIN!

Including is fine, making it non-optional isn't, at least for me. I never financially supported BD precisely because he would never give an answer about mandatory impregnation; the last full update made it fairly clear that it wouldn't be optional.

That's fine, it's his game, nobody is forcing me to play it

 

[Deleted member 4374281]

Including is fine, making it non-optional isn't, at least for me. I never financially supported BD precisely because he would never give an answer about mandatory impregnation; the last full update made it fairly clear that it wouldn't be optional.

That's fine, it's his game, nobody is forcing me to play it

You're alright. I suppose with pregnancy it kind of should be optional, but I do think that with games like this...these harem relationships are kind of permanent. It is kind of unrealistic that they wouldn't end up having kids. But on the other hand...if it was something reserved for the epilogue, would that be okay? Like if it just showed a brief situation at the ending about having kids and stuff. I know a bunch of games did that. Like Sisterly Lust.

The games that literally have a character that's wandering around pregnant for a few weeks and then PLOP! Hey you have a kid! And oh look at me, I'm normal again! Eh...those are kind of weird and if that's what you're not enjoying I don't blame you.

 

[lemonfreak]

You're alright. I suppose with pregnancy it kind of should be optional, but I do think that with games like this...these harem relationships are kind of permanent. It is kind of unrealistic that they wouldn't end up having kids. But on the other hand...if it was something reserved for the epilogue, would that be okay? Like if it just showed a brief situation at the ending about having kids and stuff. I know a bunch of games did that. Like Sisterly Lust.

The games that literally have a character that's wandering around pregnant for a few weeks and then PLOP! Hey you have a kid! And oh look at me, I'm normal again! Eh...those are kind of weird and if that's what you're not enjoying I don't blame you.

I've said that very thing in reference to the epilogue, Jamie having 3 kids, 2 by MC and 1 by Shauna (I was playing the trans route) made all the sense in the world to me, I'm just turned off by the process.

Since I play a number of incest themed games it makes no logical sense since more kids = more LIs but our kinks are our kinks