VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Sotak]

Ok...finished DITLO...and the character interactions are, decent I guess...but overall it makes no sense. Katie is just meeting Harper as the compromise from Charles...but its only a day after MC stood up to charles so that conversation hasn't taken place yet...but Nat is doing tryouts "tomorrow" and has already been in negotiations to join the cheer squad...which doesn't happen till shortly before the bowling game...but they are in the "Final Home" and everyone is walking around naked and comfortable with it (at least upstairs)...which doesn't happen till after the bowling incident and Riker is already gone, by that time Harp and Nat are spending the night at the house with the MC and Harp is sleeping better


And as I remember it the MC told Harp why he chose her and stood up for her basically right after he did it.

Yeah. Not only does this minigame thing seem like a dissection of the main story, but it doesn't even fit the main story at all...its jumbled and confused and feels like someone else came in and randomly took chunks of the main game without regard to context or continuity and mashed it together to create a random story featuring some characters from BD's well followed game.

And the file size makes absolutely no sense for such an extremely short "game"...especially one with no audio and no animation

And the censoring is just absurd.

Not a fan of the DITLO project. Hope the main game gets some updates soon...even if they are small updates...and those updates don't completely break the already established story like this DITLO does.

 

[TripleZ]

He wants the 'nude reveal' to take place in the game, not in a side-story. Probably tons of better ways to go around this, though

Erm...

Weird thinking on this part but ok i guess

 

[dolfe67]

Imagine if a dev like braindrop would say "I stop the dev of my game. I keep my patreon open for the people who want to show their appreciation of my past work, otherwise you're free to go"

How many patrons do you think he'll lose? It would still take months or years imo for the number to be below 500

 

[moskyx]

Imagine if a dev like braindrop would say "I stop the dev of my game. I keep my patreon open for the people who want to show their appreciation of my past work, otherwise you're free to go"

How many patrons do you think he'll lose? It would still take months or years imo for the number to be below 500

Patreon will probably close his account after the first couple of reports, though. It's a platform to support some kind of artistic/product development: if there's nothing being developed, you can't use Patreon

 

[Avaron1974]

Patreon will probably close his account after the first couple of reports, though. It's a platform to support some kind of artistic/product development: if there's nothing being developed, you can't use Patreon

Patreon wont do anything as long as it's making a profit.

 

[LordofEntropy]

Reading his post, it seems to be the classic extended procrastination panic mode. I know it because I've dealt with it all my life. Keep putting something off, prioritizing other things, 'I'll do it tomorrow.' Well, tomorrow turns into weeks and then months. Then you finally realize one day 'shit, it's been 6 months, people are starting to really wonder. I haven't done shit, oh my god, I better do something now.'

You probably have thought about whatever you were supposed to be doing all this time. So you have some ideas, maybe even a couple small pieces started. And you think: 'Okay, don't panic, you can put this together in a weekend of long days, it will be enough to satisfy (boss/client/customer/etc.). If it isn't, it buys me another couple of days to finish it!' So you make some public proclamation: 'Hey, I'm really close, just need to finish up a couple things!' And you get a positive response. People are relieved because they were getting concerned.

Then you go try to do it, and it finally hits you that now you're trying to squeeze 6 months of work into a weekend. The problems start popping up, all the bits of work you're not accounting for when you're just spinning the big ideas in your head, the bug fixing, just so much to do. Now, the full weight of the anxiety and pressure of how much work you have to do hits you. Especially since you just made this 'I'm close just need a bit more time' proclamation. It becomes overwhelming and makes it even harder to work on what you're supposed to. Naturally, that builds and feeds into itself, a classic positive feedback loop.

At this point, several things can happen depending on your mental state and the gravity of the situation. Is it your job, just a promise you made to someone, your Ph.D. thesis, client project, pr0n game? I've run the spectrum of reactions to this climax. From the full 'fuck it, I'm screwed and can't face the music' avoidance and running away, blowing up my life in the process. Or even sometimes managing to pull something convincingly out of my ass. Or similar to this instance with BD, hopefully buying some time and understanding with a tidbit of progress. 'See I am working on something!' Along with a half-truth and a partial admission that 'sure you've been dropping the ball, you know it, and you feel bad' to generate a bit of sympathy. You do feel bad, because you're letting people down and you know it's your fault. Mostly it's to buy yourself a bit more time: you still have to convince whomever that you've been doing something all along. The consequences of what may happen if you don't receive the understanding or extra time you're hoping for are very in your face.

It's not a fun place to be. It will be interesting to see the resolution.

edit: typo and a couple missing words.

 

[Sotak]

but the one tHong that was good here was one thing that so many seem to have a problem with...the dynamic between Harper and Nat

Well, sort of. Assuming this side story takes place a day or 2 after MC gets to WVM (which takes the Nat date out...but whatever), then Harper's stress makes complete sense and Nat would have been stressing just as much...about her mother.

The overall story of this minigame is a jumbled and confused mess, but the dynamic between Harp and Nat is fairly decent.

 

[moskyx]

Patreon wont do anything as long as it's making a profit.

That's debatable. Especially in this hypothetical situation in which he explicitly says he's no longer working on it. But I'm not going to argue about something that is never going to happen.

 

[Mr. Grant]

Reading about the stress levels Braindrop is dealing with, I have a quick question on this project: Is WVM story-boarded?
I totally get the mental trap surrounding something you've created and want to hold onto, especially if you feel that you can add to it or improve on it; that said, it stifles your ability to create something new, to explore beyond the walls already made. I think you felt that with this most recent project, the freshness of something beyond what you have. If it is story-boarded and the content you've made is finished, I would encourage you to embrace that next step and release what is done and immerse the creativity that fulfills you. If it isn't story-boarded, that may help with the abyss of potential that has yet to be molded that is encountered after each release.

Take it from someone who has been writing for a decade at this point, the longer I hold a project back, the more life I suck out of it with my endless corrections.

 

[dolfe67]

That's debatable. Especially in this hypothetical situation in which he explicitly says he's no longer working on it. But I'm not going to argue about something that is never going to happen.

I've seen patreon pages with months of no post or no new content still active. The owner didn't say he stopped though

 

[Avaron1974]

That's debatable. Especially in this hypothetical situation in which he explicitly says he's no longer working on it. But I'm not going to argue about something that is never going to happen.

Not really, both Dual Family and Milfy City didn't have any work done on them for a long time, years in Dual Families sense, and Patreon did nothing.

Icstor has admitted he is burnt out on Milfy City and no longer working on it yet it still makes money on Patreon.

 

[Shelscott50]

but the one tHong that was good here was one thing that so many seem to have a problem with...the dynamic between Harper and Nat

Well, sort of. Assuming this side story takes place a day or 2 after MC gets to WVM (which takes the Nat date out...but whatever), then Harper's stress makes complete sense and Nat would have been stressing just as much...about her mother.

The overall story of this minigame is a jumbled and confused mess, but the dynamic between Harp and Nat is fairly decent.

So, I am curious.
Is Ditlo:Harper supposed to happen Before MC arrives at WVM?
what exactly is the timeline?

 

[Joshua Tree]

Patreon wont do anything as long as it's making a profit.

Yeah, I seen some old "ghost" Patreons that make a couple bucks still, but no new content been made in ages. You don't necessary just pledge for a creators new and future content, but also what they done in the past. But I think there is quite a few people out there that just forgot about a Patreon pledge and it keep running and running..

 

[lonelyk]

I've been refraining from posting here since Braindrop made the transition to releasing "when it's ready", just waiting for the next real update. I said back then it was a mistake for different reasons but I didn't imagine it would eventually take this long (and neither did Braindrop).

Braindrop sure has gone through a lot of shit as he describes in his logs, but he has also had issues with self-organization and motivation I'm afraid. It's hard to keep working steadily when you have a lot of obstacles to your work in your life (such as a new paternity) and no deadline to meet as he releases when it's ready and his supporters are widely faceless and supportive so he feels virtually no accountability. His own motivation is probably impacted as well as I expect he keeps wanting to make up for what he's missed but never manages to catch up to deliver what he thinks he owes. It's hard to remain motivated by something when you work alone, intermittently and you feel forced to work even when life is shit. Yet it's Braindrop's best source of income by far so he cannot afford to drop it and "get a day job". Up to him how he tackles that issue but I hope he isn't lying to himself at least as, no matter the reasons, his livelihood is in danger.

Anyway, I've long since considered the game abandoned. Time does not lie. If development resumes in full, then good I'll still be here, otherwise it's been a nice ride and there's plenty of other content on this website.

PS: Zoe, Liz and Rachael best girls

 

[Malachite1789]

So, I am curious.
Is Ditlo:Harper supposed to happen Before MC arrives at WVM?
what exactly is the timeline?

From what i've read it's supposed to be around day 15 of the new timeline (but i don't know when that would be exactly)

 

[kameohawk]

Why does every Dev do shit like this like clockwork lol.

Amazing.

Because the development process is a commitment and unless there's 100% commitment for the duration then cracks will begin to appear.

If it's a labour of love then chances are the releases will be steady but general spaced out because it's just a lad living his best life whilst doing other things, like working to pay the rent and eat.
If a guy's doing it because he wants the subs so he can get money then it basically needs to hit the ground running otherwise soon the dev will start to do a cost analysis on the whole thing. Is the effort I'm putting in worth the money I'm getting out?
If the dev is established and is pulling bank each month but they promised big initially in terms of scope, it could get to the point where the game becomes a monster and requires more and more effort to continue. At that point, like before the dev does a cost analysis and has to decide if they can be bothered continuing.

The dev in this instance fucked himself by seemingly having a hard on for bringing in as many different girls as he could cram into the ren'py engine. He created a hydra that was always going to grow and grow. Throw in life issues and it got to a point where it's a case of him starting to trail off.

He said it himself in his post. He talks about the work being done but he can't bring himself to release it, so he's doubting himself. As soon as he stopped and went off and done a wee side project that was more compact it's a different story "I had a fucking blast making it", "It was fun to write", "fun to edit the images" etc. The way he talks there feels like the way a guy would who's unhappy in his marriage and ends up having an affair with the blonde lassie from accounting. Ultimately doesn't tend to work out too well for the marriage.

 

[Wen I Say]

I wish people would just stop using patreon and all the others. I get that they are using their own funds to make these games and that they get rather expensive, but it would be a lot easier to just work on something at your own pace and not have to deal with people feeling like they are owed something. When you start taking in money from other people and start offering additional things...OF COURSE it's going to cause problems.

But really...in the end it's just one person and a lot of people trying to tell him what to do with the idea in his head. Fuck that shit.

Then get a fuckin job and work on this as a side project then no one can say shit because they're not financially invested.... people pay for his livelihood... the toilet paper he wipes his ass with and the food he eats.... what your saying makes no fuckin sense my guy unless he waited till the game was done to receive a fraction of whats he's raking in now which would be all kinds of dumb why not have a subscription? Is he fucking this up? Well depending on who you ask there are conflicting opinions, but it's really telling that he's going out of his way to silence people asking about the development of the main game so believe half of what you see and nothing you hear and form your own opinions. Which said opinion will then be met with toxicity from those with conflicting opinions so yea I kinda see the writing on the wall for this one it was fun while it lasted.... BD is losing his fuckin mind people think he needs to hire someone and I agree the dude needs a fuckin therapist.

 

[dolfe67]

But I think there is quite a few people out there that just forgot about a Patreon pledge and it keep running and running..

Yeah and microsoft (or sony?) announced they'll close the subcriptions on their service from inactive people. Patreon should do the same, but some creators wouldn't like that

I'm baffled at that many people not monitoring what they're paying for...

 

[HoneyLibido]

Why does every Dev do shit like this like clockwork lol.

Amazing.

I could name a few already just from the top of my mind and probably more I'm not even aware of.

 

[Ptah]

For all of what I've read, imho, what he needs is to delegate the writing of the story, just give the immovable points to the new writer and let him do the job.