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So a post right before he makes another $16,000+... These Mind Drops are just becoming something BD copy and pastes at this point; A complaint about his personal life with excuses that we've read dozens of times now, that BD loves making WVM and just want's to focus on dev work yet we're still waiting on 2,000 renders that we're due 5+ months ago, how he'll no longer give a release date, however, that's been said a good few times too and we've seen how that turned out, and finally how he's still "working" on the game yet has little to show for it. Braindrop has 'brain washed' so many people into enabling him. He isn't a man of his word, if he was, we'd have the 700 renders that he said would be released weeks ago, or even better, the 2,000+ renders BD said were ready to be released in February. How are people still supporting him on such a large scale? 2,000 renders are ready months ago, to a 300 render update 5+doesn't add up! Why are some people so infatuated with this game that they fail to see how they're being milked out of their money? Sure, spend your money however the hell you'd like, but c'mon... A 5 year old can do the math and see that something isn't right here.
A follow up to my previous message and a timeline of development of WVM.
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Update | 1/22/21 - WVM Day 8-9 (9.3.0) (203 Renders
Update | 1/31/21 - WVM Day 8-9 (0.9.4.2) (200 renders) (SAVE FIX)
Mind Drop #11 | 2/16/21 - "one release this month. But, that release will be the size of two updates (400 renders) near the end of the month."
Mind Drop #12 | 2/23/21 - No update this month due to BD moving. "Next update will be on March 13th and the second update will be on March 27th. (First update will be 400 renders + the reworked scenes, the second will be 260-300 renders)"
Mind Drop #13 | 3/01/21 - Dev still moving in. "Update near the 13th"
Continuation of Mind drop #13 | 3/2/21 - Gives an update schedule: "Most full updates will be between 800-1200 renders. So given my expectations for myself and the private timelines I'd give myself you can expect 2-3 months per update. (Also some updates would be shorter so potentially only 1 month for some). The next full update after day 9 will be days 10-14. Then after that will be week 3. And in the event that an update exceeds that timeframe I'd likely release it in 2 parts. I wouldn't go more than 3 months without a release. Potentially less."
Mind Drop #14 | 3/08/21 - "400 render update will be sliding to the 17th-20th"
Mind Drop #15 | 3/16/21 - "400 render update releases March 20th, rest of Day 9 will release mid-April". Says "I don't do this for money" and pauses pledges for March/April
Mind Drop #16 | 3/23/21 - BD having issues with his eyes. "Update will be out ASAP but it will be a few more days. No exact timeline as I had honestly hoped my eyes would be back to normal by now. Check out the earlier post to see why the update isn't ready yet. Due to the additional days I'll pull another homie move and bump the update to 600 renders mainly because I feel shitty about this situation, especially since it was easily avoidable."
Mind Drop #18 | 4/06/21 - "I've decided to focus on releasing the rest of day 9 as a single update. This update is north of 1000 renders and has many animations"
Mind Drop #19 | 4/13/21 - "Full day 9 release is still planned for this month". "And you guys are about to get a 1000+ render update dropped on your head"
Mind Drop #21 | 5/03/21 (Not quite yet) - Missed release date. "Update is close and I'm still grinding away on it, I just need more time."
Mind Drop #22 | 5/11/21 Almost - "There's been many things like planning a wedding, planning to be a father, moving across the country, changing how I want to do releases, and dealing with a medical issue with my eyes for an entire month". "This is honestly 100% the last post until the the juicy 1500+ render update."
Yo | 5/29/21 - Getting married/moving. Paused pledges
Yo | 6/17/21 - On honeymoon. "I do slightly regret giving the hard date of the 24th as that seems like a short amount of time".
Update | 7/3/21 - WVM Day 8-9 (0.9.5.1) (1800 renders) (35 animations)
Mind Drop #23 | 7/14/21 - "The next full update will be days 10-14. Which can sound daunting considering the latter half of day 9 took 5 months to make".
Mind Drop #26 | 8/09/21 - "I never plan to give exact release dates ever again or even exact sizes of updates even if it isn't an official release and just a beta."
Mind Drop #27 | 8/20/21 - "I will say that the first beta will be a smaller one and it should be out soon but it will not be in August".
Mind Drop #29 | 9/10/21 - "I've decided to go light on the first beta release. It's only going to be 200 renders long.
(I've done much more than 200 renders but I stopped working linearly a while ago. Meaning I don't work in the same order of the story, for instance I've completely finished day 13 but still have a lot to do on day 11.)(And for those that don't know, the next "full release" is going to be days 10-14 and the days go by much quicker. Although day 10 is a bit longer just because of the exhibition game). The exhibition won't be featured in the first beta but it will be the last release without a basketball game lol. So when will that be? Late Sept - Early Oct"
Mind Drop #33 | 10/08/21 - "Change to first beta date: - It's moving from October 12th to October 15th at 3pm EST".
Update | 10/15/21 - WVM Day 10 (0.10.0.1)(BETA) (208 renders - 0 animations)
Mind Drop #34 | 10/18/21 - "Next Beta? (ETA: Early November)"
Not a mind drop | 11/8/21 - BD spending time taking care of his family. "There will be a beta this month 100%. It's essentially ready outside of a few tweaks. I just don't want to release until I'm in a position to work on any issues if any were to arise but in the case that things are extended then I'd run that risk. 300-350 renders long, haven't decided the exact stop point yet".
Still not a mind drop | 11/28/21 - BDs a father! "There will not be a beta this month. I've thought about it a lot and even though the update itself is ready... I'm not. Simply put I'm not in a position mentally to push anything out. Things are still settling in my personal life and I couldn't handle any issues with a release right now. Not setting any dates yet but there will be 2 betas in December".
Mind Drop #36 | 12/03/21 - "Upcoming Releases: - 2nd beta (December 14th - 24th). - 3rd beta (January 6th). - Full release of days 10-14 (Febuary 14th)".
Mind Drop #38 | 12/17/21 - "Betas: No planned changes to dates atm". "February 14th is still the planned release date for the full release of days 10-14".
24th to 30th | 12/23/21 - "I'm gonna just say it how it is, I need to move the release date to the 30th. It will not move again".
Taking the L | 12/30/21 - "All of that to essentially say I am not ready to put out an update and I'm sorry. I wish I was, trust me". "I will be pausing pledges for this monthly cycle. I gave reasons for why I didn't last month and while those things are still true, I'm not comfortable doing it 2 months in a row. This might make me sound crazy but with where I am at this very moment, for my own mental health I'd rather say goodbye to 15 grand than push out this update".
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Mind Drop #39 | 1/25/22 - "Update soon™. I'm aiming to put out a smaller update that's beta sized (probably 250-350 renders) either before this month ends or at the start of February".
Mind Drop #40 | 1/31/22 - "(Days 10-14 coming late Feb / early March)".
Mind Drop #41 | 2/11/22 - "Assuming things go smoothly and as I expect them to then it will be either near the end of February-early March. If there's any mishaps then I'll let you guys know about it and then it'd likely be mid-March.
It will be between 1600-1800 renders".
Mind Drop #42 | 2/18/22 - "I was really racing to have it out before the end of February but the closer we come to it the quicker I realize it isn't very feasible since I want to send the update to testers before releasing it.
So right now my expectation is early March if everything goes right and mid March if there are any hiccups between now and then". "How long will the wait between Days 10-14 and Days 15-21 be? - The very early expectation I have is around 2-2.5 months. A big reason Days 10-14 has taken as long as it has is that I've made many scenes that have been moved to later in the story. So I have a pretty substantial head start on days 15-21 and a similar head start on days 22-28".
Not a Mind Drop | 2/25/22 - "So when can we expect it? Early-Mid March depending on if there are any issues that need to be fixed".
Not a Mind Drop... again | 3/05/22 - "So when can we expect it? It's at least a week away... maybe two if it takes a little longer than I expect it to".
No news is good news... and this is news | 3/18/22 - "Day 10(31) is around 1400 renders long including the beta (It's by far the longest day after the redo, mainly due to me showing the process of a gameday so it can be assumed and not shown in future updates. It's also that long since I included scenes to make that gameday process more interesting )
The rest (Days 32-35) are about 1000 renders long so the update in total is around 2200-2400 renders long".
Update will be in April and I do not plan on pausing, please adjust pledges accordingly | 3/31/22 - "Hey guys, just a quick update to let you guys know that I won't be able to finish the update this month". "It doesn't matter if the update is 2400 renders long and the biggest I've ever put out. The wait has been entirely too long and I completely understand where the frustration has come from". "I'm not here for the money, I put as much effort and time as I do into it because it's my job but the truth is that if I didn't make a single penny from this, I'd continue making it just for myself. I love doing it".
Mind Drop #44 | 4/03/22 (Not #43, the update isn't ready for that yet) - "What's delaying it now dev wise? The honest answer is there's a lot of indecisiveness on my end". "In February me, my wife, my kid, and my grandpa all had to pack up and move again because of some weird events happening at our new house at the time. (That started early January)".
Yo | 5/3/22 - BD family member passed away so he took some time for himself and his family
My current plan | 5/16/22 - "There are no release plans for the update yet". "I don't want to unpause pledges until I release the update but at the same time I don't know when that will be and I have a family to provide for."
Harper DILTO Release | 5/29/22
Plans for June | 5/31/22 - "Also the DITLO was something I had promised to make a long time ago. And it felt really good to make. It wasn't some ulterior motive thing to justify working on something outside of WVM. It was just something that I knew might help me get out of the funk I've been in". "I plan on having 2-3 releases in June and I want the whole update out by the end of July or early August. And when it's finally all out I plan on continuing with the chunks of update into the next big update".
Yo | 6/13/22 - "As it stands right now the first chunk will be in the 600-700 render range"
Mind Drop #47 | 6/24/22 - "There will be a release on June 29th". "As far as the rest of Day 32 goes I plan to release it in the first week of July. The only tinkering I have to do to it is another scene in the locker room but it's not very large. As for the rest of it, I plan on having 3 total releases afterwards. So a total of 5 chunks".
Sup | 6/28/22 - "I don't think the 700 render update will be ready by June 29th or 30th. But it won't be much longer at all. There is a 300 render update that's pretty much ready to go though". "WVM is my hobby and I do this for fun". "
So the two options are: A. Release them in smaller chunks - The first one (300-ish renders) on the 29th and the other (400-ish renders) the moment it is finished (Likely July 1st-3rd), or B. Wait and release them together (700-ish renders) the moment it is finished. (July 1st-3rd)". (B won btw)
Update | 6/2/22 - WVM (S2-C1-E1) release! (359 renders 10-ish animations)
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So... On 2/11/22, BD said that day 10-14 was originally planned to be released February 14th and was supposed to include 1600-1800 renders. Soon after on 3/18/22, BD said, "Day 10(31) is around 1400 renders long including the beta, (Days 32-35) are about 1000 renders long so the update in total is around 2200-2400 renders long". So he had over 2,000 renders ready 4 months ago yet we only get a 350 render update???
BD says this is his job on 3/31/21, "I'm not here for the money, I put as much effort and time as I do into it because it's my job but the truth is that if I didn't make a single penny from this, I'd continue making it just for myself. I love doing it". Yet on 6/28/22 he says "WVM is my hobby and I do this for fun". Making on average of $16,000 a month or $192,000 a year is an insane amount of money. That's around 3 times the average salary of a person in the United States. Just to put it in perspective how much money that actually is for the average person:
View attachment 1938559 (I couldn't find a more up to date chart). Thankfully BD has paused his patreon on multiple occasions, but $16,000 for even a few months out of the year is a lot of money for producing LITTLE TO NOTHING.
So the math is laid out for anyone defending him. Yes the man has gone through some shit and my heart goes out to him for said 'shit'... But how exactly do you justify 2200-2400 renders FOUR MONTHS AGO to having a 350 render update? Thats 15% of the work he said he had completed months ago! Where's the remaining 2,000 renders? BD has broken his word time and time again, how can people continue to say it's justified? Shits wack
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What's he going to do in the future when the AVN market crashes? He can't even claim on a cv to have delivered projects in a timely manner and making deadlines.
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I just read latest dev update from LoF. Can't understand how someone who went through such a loss can work on a game about difficult theme for him with constant updates on one side and WVM dev on the other side.
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Well, he talks about people calling him a comic book villain. Hehehe, he is "THE EXCUSER". Main Power: the power of excuses.
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i love this game and its story. im so invested in the game. i hope the dev will feel better soon and keep working on the game. i dont want it to end.
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One's a mature adult, the other is not.
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i think if i was the MC of this game i'd be dead from exhaustion , between basketball and fucking my brains out ... but what a way to go ....
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You know, if he didn't keep charging people during so much downtime, that would be one thing, where while dealing with so many problems (if that is true, and I REALLY hope it is because I really hate having to be a dick to others and want to give them the benefit of the doubt), then he wouldn't be getting called out and people would instead be hella supportive since he wouldn't be taking people's money at that point. Sadly though, he hasn't paused patreon since 2020 and has been constantly collecting money while a) only releasing 2-3 updates within that timeframe, b) constantly talking about things supposedly happening to him to cause the delays, and c) making promises only to break them a week later. The fact he claims this is a hobby and yet still demands payment for it is what truly irks me and why I'm not as sympathetic towards BD as I was a year ago.
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BrainDrop usually turns off the charging . thing when he doesn't produce always has
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But he hasn't turned off charges since 2020 when he started to go through problems. Since then, he brought up possibilities of turning them off, but decided not to throughout all of 2021 and this year.
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I just remembered a past Mind Drop and something BD mentioned I feel could have saved him all this backlash that's supposedly causing him to keep delaying the game, and that was when he thought about releasing the updates for free for everyone. Again, if everything he's saying is true, this may very well be the best option for him to go with, because it'll actually avoid any more problems and in turn avoid people getting pissed off. Again though, this is assuming everything he say's is true.
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Nahhh when it was first suggested MANNNNNY moons ago he wanted all the loot and couldn't be bothered to share/make his life simpler. Now it just seems like he wants a meat shield that he can send out to tank so he doesn't have to. Shits getting to the point that I figure he's got a year maybe lol maybe before we see his new game and him stating wvm is taking a back seat to it. A cautionary tale this one is to all the inspiring creators out there, sometimes you can do too much to go backward but not enough to move forward...
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It won't even be another employee, it will just be the Dev with a burner account.
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Yes, silence these peons at once! Only comments approved by OfficiallyGames can be posted.
You can tell how a person perceives you by language, so by calling us all cunts I assume that:
1) You're Australian as you may mean it as a term of endearment;
2) You think we are all warm and inviting with great depth...
Thank you for your kind words.
Also Goosestep elsewhere.
July 30 has come and it's birthday shout-out time. To Stacy, a kindhearted, sweet & beautiful redhead who means more to you (MC) than you even know.
Happy Birthday Stacy!
Happy Birthday Stacy!
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Well, it is actually easy to answer. Some People are much Stronger then Others. And you can say it's a Big Part of the Healing Process to talk bout this sort of things.
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People who think this game doesn't have paths either haven't played it or don't understand what a path is.
A path is where you make a choice and the outcome changes depending on your choices.
All of the LI's in WVM have a simple binary choice, "Do you want to fuck this girl?". If you choose yes, you are on one path, if you say no you are on the other path.
If there are only 2 LI's, that gives 4 potential paths.
1. Fuck no girls
2. Fuck girl A but not girl B
3. Fuck girl B but not girl A
4. Fuck both girls.
If you add in paths like "Does girl B have a dick?", "Does girl A know about MC's choice with girl B?", "Does girl B know about MC's choice with girl A?", "is the relationship between the MC and both girls polyamorous or does the MC just fuck both girls?", the The number of paths grows quickly with just the 2 LI's.
WVM has a huge amount of intersecting paths, as many of the LI's live with the MC and/or interact with each other when the MC isn't present. The paths may not have an effect on a given scene but they all need to be considered.
Adding a path when you already have a complex system doesn't need to be a complicated thing, it depends on the path being added. A simple binary choice on a girl to impregnate for cash, (if you are on that path of course), is easy to add. A new LI or adding a polyamorous subgroup within the LI's is harder, and could be very complicated depending on other paths involved.
We have NO IDEA what path is being considered, and this means we have NO IDEA how much work is involved in adding the path.
The dev obviously has some sort of mental health issues because everyone does. Most people don't even notice their own issues as their mechanisms for coping with them are entrenched and sufficient to cope with them. As a simplistic example, we all suffer from some degree of stress, and we cope with it by a variety of means such as going to the gym, going for a drink, talking to someone or playing a adult VN for relaxation. Not every solution works for every person, and some actions that can be a solution for one person can cause additional issues or exasperate existing ones for other people.
I'm very glad to see that we will have someone other than the dev to deal with the social media side of things from now on, as this will remove a source of stress from BD.
Will this result in more frequent updates? I have no idea. I hope it does, as I enjoy the VN.
Will this result in an improvement to BD's mental heath? I can't be sure, but I hope it does, as I enjoy the VN.
Will this result in a reduction of the complaints and hate posts? Probably not, but I hope it does as I don't like feeling sorry for the people who don't have anything better to do with their lives.
A path is where you make a choice and the outcome changes depending on your choices.
All of the LI's in WVM have a simple binary choice, "Do you want to fuck this girl?". If you choose yes, you are on one path, if you say no you are on the other path.
If there are only 2 LI's, that gives 4 potential paths.
1. Fuck no girls
2. Fuck girl A but not girl B
3. Fuck girl B but not girl A
4. Fuck both girls.
If you add in paths like "Does girl B have a dick?", "Does girl A know about MC's choice with girl B?", "Does girl B know about MC's choice with girl A?", "is the relationship between the MC and both girls polyamorous or does the MC just fuck both girls?", the The number of paths grows quickly with just the 2 LI's.
WVM has a huge amount of intersecting paths, as many of the LI's live with the MC and/or interact with each other when the MC isn't present. The paths may not have an effect on a given scene but they all need to be considered.
Adding a path when you already have a complex system doesn't need to be a complicated thing, it depends on the path being added. A simple binary choice on a girl to impregnate for cash, (if you are on that path of course), is easy to add. A new LI or adding a polyamorous subgroup within the LI's is harder, and could be very complicated depending on other paths involved.
We have NO IDEA what path is being considered, and this means we have NO IDEA how much work is involved in adding the path.
The dev obviously has some sort of mental health issues because everyone does. Most people don't even notice their own issues as their mechanisms for coping with them are entrenched and sufficient to cope with them. As a simplistic example, we all suffer from some degree of stress, and we cope with it by a variety of means such as going to the gym, going for a drink, talking to someone or playing a adult VN for relaxation. Not every solution works for every person, and some actions that can be a solution for one person can cause additional issues or exasperate existing ones for other people.
I'm very glad to see that we will have someone other than the dev to deal with the social media side of things from now on, as this will remove a source of stress from BD.
Will this result in more frequent updates? I have no idea. I hope it does, as I enjoy the VN.
Will this result in an improvement to BD's mental heath? I can't be sure, but I hope it does, as I enjoy the VN.
Will this result in a reduction of the complaints and hate posts? Probably not, but I hope it does as I don't like feeling sorry for the people who don't have anything better to do with their lives.