VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Rutonat]

that's a good point for a project that delivers. I used to agree when BD released updates and that's why I supported him too, but not hiring any help because it might mess things up when BD is objectively having big issues with delivering updates for a long while now (because life, quality of content, etc) is just bizzare.
He needs the help.

That I can't judge. I picked up the game only recently, and avoided the thread to not get spoiled, but the rapid succession of posts got me curious.
So I can't tell anything about the rythme of updates. I haven't yet even finished the first part of the game.
Your post just grabbed my attention because I thought of that argument reading it.

 

[EroPulse]

That I can't judge. I picked up the game only recently, and avoided the thread to not get spoiled, but the rapid succession of posts got me curious.
So I can't tell anything about the rythme of updates. I haven't yet even finished the first part of the game.
Your post just grabbed my attention because I thought of that argument reading it.

This is where art direction comes into play. How do you think vfx and video games are made by scores of people? As someone who has worked in the vfx industry on tv/movies. You give those people working for you direction on what you want to see, if you actually have plans, or storyboards (which I doubt he has), it can be done. Even simply screenshots of posing, camera setup/angles or quick renders... There are so many things that could be done for BD to "approve" before full rendering passes can be started.

Cheeky Gimp has I beleive two other artists, maybe more working with him on scenes that involve lighting and rendering and for the most part it's hard to tell the difference between the artists. If BD took some time to setup a pipeline, I think he could find the help he needs. However, he's gone on record to say he can't manage people, and never wants to, so I doubt we'll ever see other artists on WMV.

 

[Rutonat]

This is where art direction comes into play. How do you think vfx and video games are made by scores of people? As someone who has worked in the vfx industry on tv/movies. You give those people working for you direction on what you want to see, if you actually have plans, or storyboards (which I doubt he has), it can be done. Even simply screenshots of posing, camera setup/angles or quick renders... There are so many things that could be done for BD to "approve" before full rendering passes can be started.

Cheeky Gimp has I beleive two other artists, maybe more working with him on scenes that involve lighting and rendering and for the most part it's hard to tell the difference between the artists. If BD took some time to setup a pipeline, I think he could find the help he needs. However, he's gone on record to say he can't manage people, and never wants to, so I doubt we'll ever see other artists on WMV.

Ha, yes. Because a small time amateur porn game artist and studios making VFX videos and games are the exact same scale, obviously...

 

[EroPulse]

Ha, yes. Because a small time amateur porn game artist and studios making VFX videos and games are the exact same scale, obviously...

Actually, yes. Here is a video tour from Inceton Games studio, they have about 3k patrons. The devs for Lust Theroy.

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Even still, the example is that BD could still achieve having other artists work for him. If his complaint was "it's my vision" then my example is how he could get around that.

 

[Rutonat]

Actually, yes. Here is a video tour from Inceton Games studio, they have about 3k patrons. The devs for Lust Theroy.

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Even still, the example is that BD could still achieve having other artists work for him. If his complaint was "it's my vision" then my example is how he could get around that.

So if one team does one thing, to you it means all should do it regardless of their preferences I guess..? Like, screw what the dev wants, sacrifice it on the altar of what player want ?
If so... My dude, my guy, my man, I hope you never pursue creative endeavor. Because that will end up like those Youtuber who will constantly jump from one new hot game to the next and change their whole personality in a heartbeat just to follow trends...

 

[EroPulse]

So if one team does one thing, to you it means all should do it regardless of their preferences I guess..? Like, screw what the dev wants, sacrifice it on the altar of what player want ?
If so... My dude, my guy, my man, I hope you never pursue creative endeavor. Because that will end up like those Youtuber who will constantly jump from one new hot game to the next and change their whole personality in a heartbeat just to follow trends...

What are you even talking about? You are reading way to much into my responses. Never did I say that BD was required to hire a team. I'm simply telling you that a "small time porn developer" with 3k patrons, similar to BD could own a studio, and a team. The video was just proof that is was possible, not that I'm demanding BD to follow suit.

My initial post was in response to you saying this " The point you fail to consider in this, is that hiring a team to work on a story means giving up the certainty that the project will go the way you want it to." As someone who worked in a vfx pipeline, it was my 2 cents on how BD could still maintain creative control over development of his game. That's all.

 

[Psykoman1978]

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[Rutonat]

What are you even talking about? You are reading way to much into my responses. Never did I say that BD was required to hire a team. I'm simply telling you that a "small time porn developer" with 3k patrons, similar to BD could own a studio, and a team. The video was just proof that is was possible, not that I'm demanding BD to follow suit.

My initial post was in response to you saying this " The point you fail to consider in this, is that hiring a team to work on a story means giving up the certainty that the project will go the way you want it to." As someone who worked in a vfx pipeline, it was my 2 cents on how BD could still maintain creative control over development of his game. That's all.

And not all people, especially creative people, can work with a whole team. But you don't seem to stop to consider that. Everyone as different can and can't do. And there are a lot of creators that can't function by delegating tasks to other people. With the way they do stuff, their work is way more harmonious if they have their hands in every steps of the way.

Some people say DB makes huge money, and I know a lot of people instantly jump 10 sharks calling devs greedy the second they make a single cent, but if they never considered hiring people, that might be because there's a reason for it. And in all logic, it's either that they have cirumstances that make it so that they have little of that money left to do as they please (random example but huge medical bills would suffice to oblitarate earnings, especially if the person recieving it lives in the US...), or they don't feel like they could make it work that way.

 

[YepperCause]

Got to say that I never care for playing basketball in the VN, if I would I probably go out and play or at least play a video game, seems dumb to want that in you know... an adult visual novel, just saying. Dev's time would be better in limiting the duck faces and maybe stop adding LI, what's the point in having a 30+ harem if the actual time spent with each girl is their introduction an a "we'll bang ok" promise?

I never cared that much about the basketball, certainly not in terms of watching a game on a Ren'Py engine. But, presumably, the MC's performance on the team is supposed to be an integral part of the plot, right? Like, it will have some narrative importance whether the MC does well, how well, etc. Coach Harper's subplot revolves almost entirely around whether she can get a winning season this year and save her reputation, right? So, what does it say about the narrative progression that we are three years into development and we haven't even had the pre-season exhibition game for the MC's first year in college?

To me, it says that the narrative has become a bloated mess that is being delivered on a drip-feed and the possibility of any closure to any of the threads in the plot is next to zero.

 

[Rutonat]

I never cared that much about the basketball, certainly not in terms of watching a game on a Ren'Py engine. But, presumably, the MC's performance on the team is supposed to be an integral part of the plot, right? Like, it will have some narrative importance whether the MC does well, how well, etc. Coach Harper's subplot revolves almost entirely around whether she can get a winning season this year and save her reputation, right? So, what does it say about the narrative progression that we are three years into development and we haven't even had the pre-season exhibition game for the MC's first year in college?

To me, it says that the narrative has become a bloated mess that is being delivered on a drip-feed and the possibility of any closure to any of the threads in the plot is next to zero.

You do make it sound awfully like the one thing you care about in this game is seeing the baseball match, though.
Like, most adult VNs have something that is basically more of a setup for the whole thing, like a country would be for example. Not so much to be the central focus. Yet you seem to want that to get the spotlight...
Or is it that you consider that the game should have been finished by now, with every different plots and subplots closed as well ?

And feel free to facepalm this post as well while you're at it. You seem to get a kick out of facepalming anything I post. And I thrive on that kind of salt.

 

[aaachris]

And not all people, especially creative people, can work with a whole team. But you don't seem to stop to consider that. Everyone as different can and can't do. And there are a lot of creators that can't function by delegating tasks to other people. With the way they do stuff, their work is way more harmonious if they have their hands in every steps of the way.

Some people say DB makes huge money, and I know a lot of people instantly jump 10 sharks calling devs greedy the second they make a single cent, but if they never considered hiring people, that might be because there's a reason for it. And in all logic, it's either that they have cirumstances that make it so that they have little of that money left to do as they please (random example but huge medical bills would suffice to oblitarate earnings, especially if the person recieving it lives in the US...), or they don't feel like they could make it work that way.

this is no AAA game, dev makes story, dialogue, render, simple code, publish. Not even a phone or stat screen which requires little different type of code to implement or rpgs which require external game engine.
This is not even a problem if he actually put time in to publish updates. Sure you can feel like making renders is not so troublesome to hire people for it so why bother hiring someone. A person working 6-8 hours a day for even 3months out of the entire last year should have been able to publish more than 400 something render. All words and nothing to show for it. Busy making another path or reworking rooms going by his words

 

[Rutonat]

All words and nothing to show for it. Busy making another path or reworking rooms going by his words

And in case you missed the memo, nobody here or even on their Patreon is entitled to get personal informations on the dev's life. There could be a host of things going on in their life plaguing them.
But no that's way easier for most to just get mad and accuse them of scamming. That's definitely gonna make them work faster than ever before, not get more and more fed up with the idea of even continuing...
Because, you know...
Devs aren't persons with lives and problems you don't know about.

 

[YepperCause]

You do make it sound awfully like the one thing you care about in this game is seeing the baseball match, though.
Like, most adult VNs have something that is basically more of a setup for the whole thing, like a country would be for example. Not so much to be the central focus. Yet you seem to want that to get the spotlight...
Or is it that you consider that the game should have been finished by now, with every different plots and subplots closed as well ?

And feel free to facepalm this post as well while you're at it. You seem to get a kick out of facepalming anything I post. And I thrive on that kind of salt.

I facepalm a lot of your posts because they are really stupid, bro. Like, you are arguing with another user (ApexAlex) the point that they explicitly made and repeatedly saying they haven't considered that point.

I don't think the game should be done after 3 years, nor do I think seeing a game is important. I do think that, based on what we've seen of the plot, the basketball games will have some role in the story. And the fact that we are three years in, the last year of which has seen fewer than 600 renders, and we haven't even seen the pre-season exhibition game suggests that the game is basically making no narrative progress.

Sure, lots of games have some narrative device or plot element that is there but its details are secondary to the plot. But, imagine if in a game like Being a DIK, or something, after three years the MC had never gone to a fraternity party.

I don't care that much about the fraternity parties, or the fraternity. But, it is clear that the fraternity is a central part of driving the story forward; things happen at the parties, people are met, interactions occur. If we see nothing involving this central part of the story after three years, it is really reasonable to be skeptical of any forward progression occurring.

 

[csmk14]

I facepalm a lot of your posts because they are really stupid, bro. Like, you are arguing with another user (ApexAlex) the point that they explicitly made and repeatedly saying they haven't considered that point.

I don't think the game should be done after 3 years, nor do I think seeing a game is important. I do think that, based on what we've seen of the plot, the basketball games will have some role in the story. And the fact that we are three years in, the last year of which has seen fewer than 600 renders, and we haven't even seen the pre-season exhibition game suggests that the game is basically making no narrative progress.

Sure, lots of games have some narrative device or plot element that is there but its details are secondary to the plot. But, imagine if in a game like Being a DIK, or something, after three years the MC had never gone to a fraternity party.

I don't care that much about the fraternity parties, or the fraternity. But, it is clear that the fraternity is a central part of driving the story forward; things happen at the parties, people are met, interactions occur. If we see nothing involving this central part of the story after three years, it is really reasonable to be skeptical of any forward progression occurring.

What Fraternities? WVM has student housing on Campus and school teams, but I don't recall 1 mention of any Frats

 

[Rutonat]

I facepalm a lot of your posts because they are really stupid, bro.

Not a bro, but whatever.
I'll just point out you're on the thread of two games dealing with trans and intersex characters, and facepalmed posts in which I was arguing for the fact that gender is more than male or female. So I'm having a hard time figuring out which, between your reactions, the games you're following, and my posts, are the stupid ones.

And again you pretend you don't care about the basic setup just to complain about the basic setup not progressing... in game where the main point is the MC's relationships. You're literally implying you want the part not related to the relationship to progress rather than see more progression on the relationships...?
What ?

What Fraternities? WVM has student housing on Campus and school teams, but I don't recall 1 mention of any Frats

He was talking about another game as an example.

 

[Rutonat]

I facepalmed you in that other thread (didn't realize that was you, by the way, I don't really pay attention to users on here) because you equated being trans with being futa. Futanaris don't exist, trans people do.

Futanari is a japanese term for hermaphrodites. Those exist. Not to the same degree of functionality 99% of the time, but still.
Buuuut I'm not surprised by your lack of knowledge. Never am, here.

 

[EroPulse]

I actually think even someone like you has to know that's bullshit. Japanese style futas are treated as a completely separate gender resulting from something other than abnormal intersex conditions, such as chimerism or microchimerism. They are completely biologically functional and have a single genetic code in both sets of gonads. There has never been such a case reported in all of medical history, not even the <1% of intersex individuals who have substantial functionality fit those criteria.

Yepper, this isn't a response to your quote, I just wanted to say there is no point in arguing with Rutonat. I've already put them on ignore. I suggest you do the same to save yourself a headache. No matter how many times I've clearly explained my position, they just twist it around and don't understand. It's just not worth wasting your energy on them.

 

[GingerbreadMan]

This is where art direction comes into play. How do you think vfx and video games are made by scores of people? As someone who has worked in the vfx industry on tv/movies. You give those people working for you direction on what you want to see, if you actually have plans, or storyboards (which I doubt he has), it can be done. Even simply screenshots of posing, camera setup/angles or quick renders... There are so many things that could be done for BD to "approve" before full rendering passes can be started.

Cheeky Gimp has I beleive two other artists, maybe more working with him on scenes that involve lighting and rendering and for the most part it's hard to tell the difference between the artists. If BD took some time to setup a pipeline, I think he could find the help he needs. However, he's gone on record to say he can't manage people, and never wants to, so I doubt we'll ever see other artists on WMV.

Problem with this is, BD said he once had a job with people he had to manage.
And he was horrible at it, he just couldn't manage them efficiently, because every time he had to tell them what/how to do and then check if they did it accordingly, he ended up just doing it himself as it reduced his stress level and didn't take much longer.

To manage people you need someone that wants and knows how to manage people. And BD isn't that person. But hiring someone to do so, still means he had to manage the manager. That's why he says he won't hire any help and do it all himself.

 

[pecard255]

Looks like I missed the Pity Party or is it still going on?

 

[Mcknobz33]

there goes another month