Mommysbuttslut

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Am I a freeloader for taking WVM for free - Yes (I already said so in my response to the original post by @WokeBeGone ).

Anyone who is not supporting WVM with $ or services BD has requested, while taking his work - WVM - is a freeloader - whether we criticize. praise or both.
I didn't say there aren't freeloaders, I said it's disingenuous to say that anyone complaining is one. If someone's supporting him then they have all the more reason to have a problem with the chronic dishonesty from the dev, same if someone's cancelled their support over it.
I think the pace the game's being developed is actually alright, could be better but it could be a lot worse. The lack of honesty and transparency from a dev who's making absolutely mad bank on it isn't alright however.
 

Nurikabe

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I think the pace the game's being developed is actually alright, could be better but it could be a lot worse. The lack of honesty and transparency from a dev who's making absolutely mad bank on it isn't alright however.
That may be. But it is not a topic for this thread. What kind of person the developer is would be way off topic. Stick to the game.
 

PaxHadrian17

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I didn't say there aren't freeloaders, I said it's disingenuous to say that anyone complaining is one. If someone's supporting him then they have all the more reason to have a problem with the chronic dishonesty from the dev, same if someone's cancelled their support over it.
I think the pace the game's being developed is actually alright, could be better but it could be a lot worse. The lack of honesty and transparency from a dev who's making absolutely mad bank on it isn't alright however.
If someone is supporting the dev with $, using a platform like Patreon for example, then the best way to share feedback with the dev is using that platform (either comment or DM).

No dev has an obligation to sort through pages and pages of feedback/praise and yes criticism, on F95 in order to figure out what their supporters actually want. I believe most of us would prefer that development time be spent on actual development of the AVN, versus perusing F95 and trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Now, you said: I didn't say there aren't freeloaders, I said it's disingenuous to say that anyone complaining is one

If a non-supporter is complaining about a dev's creation that they downloaded on F95, then that person, whether they praise, criticize or both, is a freeloader Unless the dev has approved the public release of the rev in question.

I checked both Patreon and SS and neither offer a free version of WVM.

This means that they are taking something for free without providing payment or a service approved by the dev.

That is freeloading!

For former supporters, I've already admitted that I consider this to be freeloading as well - and I admitted that I do this as well.

Finally - how much bank a dev makes has nothing to do with the need for honesty and transparency.

A good dev will work to be honest and transparent with their supporters, regardless of bank.

How much he makes/month neither increases nor decreases the need for good communication with his supporters.

BD has room to improve here (communication - underpromising and overdelivering, versus the converse), as I've already pointed out in prior posts.

Good supporters also understand that RL is still a thing and a dev can be impacted just like the rest of us.

Believe me, no one want to go through life like this:

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johnmnf692

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well thats your choice if she has one ... so if you don't choose for that .. then there would be no problem .. think before you post ... duhhhh :rolleyes:
Whether Shauna being trans is optional or not and whether sharing Jamie with Shauna is optional or not, it's still completely out of character for Jamie and MC to involve Jamie with a penis that isn't MC's. Sharing with Female Shauna is probably in character for MC, but somewhat out of character for both Jamie and Shauna. It's obviously just being forced in as a fetish thing, which is of course what the trans route has been since the beginning.
 

ImperialD

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Whether Shauna being trans is optional or not and whether sharing Jamie with Shauna is optional or not, it's still completely out of character for Jamie and MC to involve Jamie with a penis that isn't MC's. Sharing with Female Shauna is probably in character for MC, but somewhat out of character for both Jamie and Shauna. It's obviously just being forced in as a fetish thing, which is of course what the trans route has been since the beginning.
not really ... if you've been playing this game for awhile you'd have seen this coming ....... like most of us ... i believe ... :cool:
 

JGNeon

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It seems like you have an incomplete download there.

The full download of WVM-S2-C1-E11-B1 should be about 4.42-4.43 GB, while the compressed version should be about 1.26 GB. The one you have is neither (looks like closer to 1.41 GB), but rather about a quarter of the full download.

The update-only package (WVM-S2-C1-E11-B1-UO) should be around 1.43 GB, but the filename you have doesn't match that.

I suggest you re-download whichever version you were trying to get.
 
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PaxHadrian17

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Didn't think i'd see virtue signaling on a pirate site for a dev like BD, now i have.
Calling myself a freeloader for taking something I do not pay for would, by many people's accounts, not be considered virtue signaling. I simply explained what my definition of freeloading is, and that I fit that definition just like anyone else here who is described by that definition.

If you have a different definition of freeloading - feel free to share it - no judgment, just discussion.

Maybe you have valid points worth considering.

Perhaps you just have your opinions, and we have to agree to disagree.

I'm fine with having that discussion.

Cheers! :coffee:
 

Tuatha Dé

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not really ... if you've been playing this game for awhile you'd have seen this coming ....... like most of us ... i believe ... :cool:
From what I have played (until before day 32) I can say that it is a bit weird, because they are "forced" situations like the kiss when she scared her to wake up, the Mc putting one on top of the other when they are not very comfortable, if they feel more like the script forcing that. It is something that unlike Bailey and Rainn can be said that is more to please certain subscribers, for example all the no incest but every now and then seems a step away from making out with Azel however there does not yield by the rules of patreon, but for those who want Shauna to fuck Jamie it makes it easier for him to carry it out.
At least I feel that way because I see them more as bf's than them being more than friends, but that was a foregone conclusion since sometimes they would drop the 3 way relationship thing or because they don't kiss.
 

ImperialD

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From what I have played (until before day 32) I can say that it is a bit weird, because they are "forced" situations like the kiss when she scared her to wake up, the Mc putting one on top of the other when they are not very comfortable, if they feel more like the script forcing that. It is something that unlike Bailey and Rainn can be said that is more to please certain subscribers, for example all the no incest but every now and then seems a step away from making out with Azel however there does not yield by the rules of patreon, but for those who want Shauna to fuck Jamie it makes it easier for him to carry it out.
At least I feel that way because I see them more as bf's than them being more than friends, but that was a foregone conclusion since sometimes they would drop the 3 way relationship thing or because they don't kiss.
nothing got forced .. you had the choice ... you could have chosen not to let them :rolleyes:
 

Tuatha Dé

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nothing got forced .. you had the choice ... you could have chosen not to let them :rolleyes:
I don't mean the choice xd, I mean the feeling that the whole situation gives me, it doesn't seem natural, at least that's how I feel, it's more something that the developer wants but didn't know how to make it flow than with "forced" situations like the kiss or that they are on top of each other by request of the mc.
 
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ImperialD

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I don't mean the choice xd, I mean the feeling that the whole situation gives me, it doesn't seem natural, at least that's how I feel, it's more something that the developer wants but didn't know how to make it flow than with "forced" situations like the kiss or that they are on top of each other by request of the mc.
well like i said i kinda saw this coming from several updates ago ... ;)
 
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