VN Ren'Py WVM [S2 Ch. 1 Ep. 13 B5] [Braindrop]

[Akabakka]

I feel that some people just read whatever they want from people's posts , to feed their own delusions or agenda . For starters stop pretending that the people criticizing the game , however it stings for you whom liked it , are seeking some impossible goal , some Graal .

No one sane here expects Shakespeare , nor Stephen King , nor maybe even Twilight , or the trashiest Romance Novels out there . We all know what ALL of those games here are , Adult games , namely mostly porn stuff , so that already massively lower the ceiling of expectations for writing .

This however does not change the fact or rather notion , that there are still levels of quality within those games and the genre , and still create some minimum expectations . And that the same applies to more than the writing , aspects like art , content , consistency of updates , pacing , graphics , animations etc etc .
And there is such a thing as at least making sense within your own universe , and not throwing everything away randomly

If this here meets your standard , fine , have fun ... but stop pretending that there aren't better titles around here meeting those already lower standards . Stop pretending to yourselves and others , that everything nitpicked is some unwarranted and unreasonable scrutiny .

 

[Wolfeszorn]

Just let the creator create their work, then like about it what you like about it, dislike what you dislike. Plus we're all freeplay consumers. If you want a say in the game get a Patreon, idk about this dev specifically but some do take polls about what people who actually support their work want to see.

Of course, you're free not to like it. But why are you trying so hard to convince other people not to like it? When I don't like a creative product, I just don't spend any time on it. If you wanna give up on the game, feel free. But why try to undermine something that other people enjoy?

What you don‘t seem to understand is that a lot of us in here were Patrons in the past until BD started scamming ppl when he was going radio silent for 2 years while still taking our money. What am I still here for? Tbh I’m only here to take a dump on this shitshow that was once a great game and warn ppl about one of the biggest scammers in AVN history besides ICSTOR.

 

[markel1000]

I feel that some people just read whatever they want from people's posts , to feed their own delusions or agenda . For starters stop pretending that the people criticizing the game , however it stings for you whom liked it , are seeking some impossible goal , some Graal .

No one sane here expects Shakespeare , nor Stephen King , nor maybe even Twilight , or the trashiest Romance Novels out there . We all know what ALL of those games here are , Adult games , namely mostly porn stuff , so that already massively lower the ceiling of expectations for writing .

This however does not change the fact or rather notion , that there are still levels of quality within those games and the genre , and still create some minimum expectations . And that the same applies to more than the writing , aspects like art , content , consistency of updates , pacing , graphics , animations etc etc .
And there is such a thing as at least making sense within your own universe , and not throwing everything away randomly

If this here meets your standard , fine , have fun ... but stop pretending that there aren't better titles around here meeting those already lower standards . Stop pretending to yourselves and others , that everything nitpicked is some unwarranted and unreasonable scrutiny .

Exactly im not expecting a flawless story im expecting one that makes sense that has some consistency.

 

[RoadWulf]

Like the famous "Who shot JR?" season on Dallas. Turned out the whole season was just Bobby's dream. (For those who are too young to know, Dallas was a TV show in the 1980's)

Could work.

Kinda what I was thinking about when I brought it up. Good catch.

 

[preglovr12]

Dev Report #35 (March 24th, 2024)

Yo!

I made a book-sized report last week, this one isn't short but it's smaller.


As I mentioned in the last report, I will not be sharing any release dates until things are compiled and ready to be uploaded.
My current plan is to finish this scene I've been working on for Episode 14 before making any final decisions for the ending of Episode 13 where I'll then re-evaluate how I feel about it and make any changes I deem necessary before uploading it for all of you to play.

The update will be available to all tiers upon release, no tier timings.
It's shaping up to be 800+ renders and 20+ animations. (400 renders from the end of Episode 13, and 400 renders from the start of Episode 14.)
I do not plan on including all of Episode 14 in the upcoming update but Episode 14 will be the last update of Chapter 1 of Season 2. Meaning Episode 14 will include all of Days 37 and 38.
The plan is for Episode 14 to be around 900-1000 renders long so I'd say it's somewhere between 40%-50% complete.

It has been a very productive week, I was able to make 124 new renders and 3 new animations and another 70 renders for the redo. I added Armani, Aubrey, and Azel to the character sheets channel on discord, I made a lot of progress on finishing the basement and other rooms in the main home (Won't be seen in the upcoming update but they will be needed for the one following it), and I've almost finished writing for all of the scenes in Chapter 2.
(And just a quick heads up that chapter 2 will be quite a bit shorter than chapter 1 was in terms of render length but Chapter 2 will take us from Day 39 to Day 52. As mentioned before, there will be little time skips where the MC focuses on training so these days won't be giga-packed like Day 32 was.)

So, I'm afraid there's still nothing concrete to share right now, I should finish this scene for Episode 14 this week and I hope that gives me the ability to speak with a little more certainty in the next report.
And as far as pausing pledges go, I'm currently unsure if I will be this month or not. I want to, but after pausing 5 of the last 6 months I'm getting to a point where I'm not comfortably able to. Every month that was paused I continued to work, I was mainly pausing because I set goals that I was unable to meet.
In the event that I do unpause, everything that will be released in April will be made available to all former patrons via the discord so there is no pressure to have to keep your pledge active. You won't miss any posts as long as you join the discord by linking your discord to your patreon or subscribestar account.

That's all I have to share for now, I'm going to go get back to work!
Once again thank you all for your patience and understanding. I truly appreciate it. Have a wonderful week and I'll talk to all of you soon!

 

[Bloker997]

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Dev Report #35 (March 24th, 2024)

Yo!

I made a book-sized report last week, this one isn't short but it's smaller.


As I mentioned in the last report, I will not be sharing any release dates until things are compiled and ready to be uploaded.
My current plan is to finish this scene I've been working on for Episode 14 before making any final decisions for the ending of Episode 13 where I'll then re-evaluate how I feel about it and make any changes I deem necessary before uploading it for all of you to play.

The update will be available to all tiers upon release, no tier timings.
It's shaping up to be 800+ renders and 20+ animations. (400 renders from the end of Episode 13, and 400 renders from the start of Episode 14.)
I do not plan on including all of Episode 14 in the upcoming update but Episode 14 will be the last update of Chapter 1 of Season 2. Meaning Episode 14 will include all of Days 37 and 38.
The plan is for Episode 14 to be around 900-1000 renders long so I'd say it's somewhere between 40%-50% complete.

It has been a very productive week, I was able to make 124 new renders and 3 new animations and another 70 renders for the redo. I added Armani, Aubrey, and Azel to the character sheets channel on discord, I made a lot of progress on finishing the basement and other rooms in the main home (Won't be seen in the upcoming update but they will be needed for the one following it), and I've almost finished writing for all of the scenes in Chapter 2.
(And just a quick heads up that chapter 2 will be quite a bit shorter than chapter 1 was in terms of render length but Chapter 2 will take us from Day 39 to Day 52. As mentioned before, there will be little time skips where the MC focuses on training so these days won't be giga-packed like Day 32 was.)

So, I'm afraid there's still nothing concrete to share right now, I should finish this scene for Episode 14 this week and I hope that gives me the ability to speak with a little more certainty in the next report.
And as far as pausing pledges go, I'm currently unsure if I will be this month or not. I want to, but after pausing 5 of the last 6 months I'm getting to a point where I'm not comfortably able to. Every month that was paused I continued to work, I was mainly pausing because I set goals that I was unable to meet.
In the event that I do unpause, everything that will be released in April will be made available to all former patrons via the discord so there is no pressure to have to keep your pledge active. You won't miss any posts as long as you join the discord by linking your discord to your patreon or subscribestar account.

That's all I have to share for now, I'm going to go get back to work!
Once again thank you all for your patience and understanding. I truly appreciate it. Have a wonderful week and I'll talk to all of you soon!

so we're still on 8?/52 and nothing gonna change anytime soon?

 

[RegAdd]

I see he shaved for this game.

 

[Goopgoop]

I didn't say that you said there "weren't any other feelsgood games". You said "few". I countered that there were "quite a few". Not sure how that has anything at all with your porn games and marriage soliloquy that followed. Very few people who have been part of this site for any decent length of time play only one or two games. They/we all play multiple games, and we all know that playing multiple games helps occupy your time between releases. This is not new information that you are sharing.

Further, you also seem to be of the opinion that there are people posting on this thread who don't like the game. No. Everyone in this thread likes WVM to some degree. Some like it less now than they did years ago when it was starting out and had promise, but they continue to come here hoping to see improvement. The complaints you see aren't because people don't like the game. It's because they don't like what the dev is doing to the game.

Yes, the creator has creative control, that's kind of an obvious statement, but we'll come back to this in a moment when I address your comments about paralel storylines. I want to touch on the "we'll get back to basketball and the house soon enough" statement first because you mention storylines in multiple places. As for the basketball, how can we get back to something that we have barely even started? If the story so far is any indication, basketball will be a very small part of this basketball story. As for getting back to the house...How long before we move again?

Now, for your final statement... "you say there isn't any story, but that's just not true. There are lots of storylines developing in paralel."
I could say the same thing about an encyclopedia, but it's not something most people want to sit down and read straight through. Braindrop is a game developer with, by your own admission, multiple storylines. Paramount global is a mass media conglomerate that owns multiple TV shows. However, Paramount was wise enough not to turn 7th Heaven, The King of Queens, CSI, 90210, NCIS, Everybody Hates Chris, NUMB3RS, Gossip Girl, Hawaii 5-0, The Vampire Diaries, and Rules of Engagement all into one huge multi-storylined show.

If BD had stuck to one storyline, he could have finished WMV by now and already be on his second game, Hearts for Hope, or Crazy Rich Yacht Women. Instead, he includes every random storyline that pops into his head and ends up writing himself into a corner and then skips ahead promising to do a rework later. He did that first with Chapter 1, and he just did it again when he left the latest part unfinished and jumped ahead to 14 because he doesn't know how to finish 13.

We don't complain because we want creative control over the story. We complain because BD lets his creativity push the story out of control to the point that even he doesn't know how to bring it back. In all honesty those who complain the most are some of the ones that care the most. We are the ones that have been playing this the longest and don't want to see him end up burnt out and the game abandoned.

I was with BD at the begining. I was a supporter on Patreon. I got tired of watching him struggle with himself. I stopped supporting him financially(Couldn't afford it, I battled cancer and won), but I still play the game and I want to see him succeed. I'd hate to see WVM abandoned. I began commenting on here. At one point I was told. "If you don't like it make your own game." So, as a graduate of the Art Institute of Dallas and also having a BA in English Lit from UNT, I decided to do just that.

I know how hard it is to be a dev, and I worry that BD is going to burn out if he doesn't change something. Other games have been completed in the time it has taken hin to do 2 incomplete chapters. You can sit on a ray of sunshine and look only on the brightside through your rose collored glasses rimmed with silver linings, but those of us who have been following him for 5 years are worried how long this will survive if something doesn't change.

Well, I just don't think we're going to agree. Your examples of multiple storylines seems intentionally obtuse. Becoming part of a charity as a celebrity basketballer isn't a big stretch. The Riker storyline was a bit wild, but it was still a good crisis moment that the group and the MC had to overcome. Not every storyline within a series has the same significance. There are overarching stories and individual character development or relationship developments. An immersive world is like that because that's how the real world works. Everyone's the protagonist of their own stories and it's how all those stories overlap that give depth to the fictional world.

I also think you're making a lot of assumptions about the story that come out of left field. I don't think it's fair to say there hasn't been any basketball. At first it was mostly training and getting to know the team. And there were a lot of problems with the team. Lots of practice, and gradually solving all those problems. Then the match against Jax' team. The story is definitely there. The MC himself also said relatively recently that he wants to focus on basketball more. So it's safe to assume that the story will shift back to that.

The assumption that they'll move again is pretty unwaranted. It's a big safe house with plenty of room. That's the thing about side-characters. They don't all move in and become major LIs. So it's good padding that creates interesting side-stories that don't gravitate towards the center.

So I think on the creative end, we fundamentally disagree. I've been writing stories for decades and have a vivid imagination. I'm a software engineer but don't make VNs. But I like wild creativity. The story is still consistent enough and stays within its general theme.

You can worry about how long it will take him to finish, or whether he will abandon it or not. Those are always legitimate concerns, but ultimately boil down to the passion the creator has for his work. I would consider it unfortunate, but I would still appreciate what he has created so far.

I just think people get too hot-headed. I think it's better to be supportive and kind, rather than adding stress and criticism and endless suggestions on what he should do with the story. Especially if you want him to keep creating it. It's counter-productive to make him feel like crap about what he's made. When a painter is creating a painting you don't complain that it doesn't look good yet before he's finished. Because you don't know what they envision as the final product. A vision which hasn't even entirely crystalized.

Congratulations on beating the big C. Like I said, nothing personal we just have different beliefs on the creative process. Creating something is a journey. And as someone who has tried his hand at it, you should know it's easier to critique than to create. You shouldn't try to limit or dictate someone else's art (even if it's an adult VN).

 

[shadowdude111]

all the women in the preview images wearing the same outfit, just colored differently

dude is so fuckin lazy

 

[Hoppinnerd]

Quick ? if you turn down Racheal the first time do you get another chance or is that it?

 

[hic86]

all the women in the preview images wearing the same outfit, just colored differently

dude is so fuckin lazy

and you're suprised? He's been doing the "same outfit" routine the entire time.

 

[tslojr]

I just think people get too hot-headed. I think it's better to be supportive and kind, rather than adding stress and criticism and endless suggestions on what he should do with the story.

That's an interesting thing to say when you literally started out your comment by insulting Grif.

Your examples of multiple storylines seems intentionally obtuse.

 

[Kakasan]

Game was good, but it declined a lot every year, it will never finish, there are more or less 1000 LI, he will probably pass on the development of the game to his grandchildren

 

[Goopgoop]

That's an interesting thing to say when you literally started out your comment by insulting Grif.

That's not an insult. His comparison was way off the mark. There's a big difference between a hypothetical combination of shows like NCIS, Numb3rs, 7th Heaven, Vampire Diaries and Gossip Girl all into one... and a VN about a college basketball star with a large female following getting pulled into a charity org and getting into a couple fights. His comparison also insinuates that each of those shows have only one overarching storyline. Which they don't. Every show has a core theme or concept, usually with a new broad story arc per season and, especially with detective series, often individual storylines per episode. Not to mention character development and relationship development weaved throughout.

If you can't see that that's an argument about the subject and not an ad hominem, then I dunno what to tell you other than "You're wrong.". He turned my initial argument about immersive worlds having a multitude of story lines into a strawman by creating a false analogy and criticizing the result. There's nothing hot-headed about pointing that out. The reason I was so direct about it is because he's smart enough not to do something like that unintentionally.

I don't get angry debating people. In fact, I really enjoy it.

 

[MrLKX]

I added Armani, (...)

I can only impatiently await the introduction of characters named Nike, Lvmh, Adidas, Gap, Kering, Puma and or Hermés.

 

[Grif1001]

That's not an insult. His comparison was way off the mark. There's a big difference between a hypothetical combination of shows like NCIS, Numb3rs, 7th Heaven, Vampire Diaries and Gossip Girl all into one... and a VN about a college basketball star with a large female following getting pulled into a charity org and getting into a couple fights. His comparison also insinuates that each of those shows have only one overarching storyline. Which they don't. Every show has a core theme or concept, usually with a new broad story arc per season and, especially with detective series, often individual storylines per episode. Not to mention character development and relationship development weaved throughout.

If you can't see that that's an argument about the subject and not an ad hominem, then I dunno what to tell you other than "You're wrong.". He turned my initial argument about immersive worlds having a multitude of story lines into a strawman by creating a false analogy and criticizing the result. There's nothing hot-headed about pointing that out. The reason I was so direct about it is because he's smart enough not to do something like that unintentionally.

I don't get angry debating people. In fact, I really enjoy it.

Yes, I intentionally overexagerated my storyline example. It is a common debate tactic to take what someone is doing/saying and extend it to an almost ridiculous point to show the flaw in the process. But, since you didn't like that, let's back it down a bit. Sticking with the Paramount example, lets take another look at this by considering Star Trek. Paramount owns Star Trek. The are, however, wise enough to make multiple shows, instead of one that jumps back and forth all over space and time. Currently they have Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks, and while they have all had crossovers (yes, the Lower Decks cartoons were on an episove of SNW) they are not one show.
I currently have plans for 17 AVN's. I will probably have to turn those over to a child one day though, because I am not going to try and put them all in one game. (Actually I hope to build a studio that employees up to 4 teams of 3 and do 4 games at once. but that's beside the point.)

To be continued... have to take my kid to school.

 

[Grif1001]

I also think you're making a lot of assumptions about the story that come out of left field. I don't think it's fair to say there hasn't been any basketball. At first it was mostly training and getting to know the team. And there were a lot of problems with the team. Lots of practice, and gradually solving all those problems. Then the match against Jax' team. The story is definitely there. The MC himself also said relatively recently that he wants to focus on basketball more. So it's safe to assume that the story will shift back to that.

I never said that there "hasn't been any basketball" I said that it has "barely started", and yes, the MC did recently say that he want's to focus on basketball more; however, this is not the first time he has made similar comments regarding basketball and/or practices, and there has been no follow through in those regards. Actions speak louder than words, and the characters actions don't support that he will move his focus back to basketball. So, no, based on his past history, it is not "safe to assume that the story will shift back" to a basketball focus. His focus is, and almost certainly will remain on the family that he has built for himself, adding to that family, and dealing with lots of extemporaneous/impromptu stuff.

The assumption that they'll move again is pretty unwaranted. It's a big safe house with plenty of room. That's the thing about side-characters. They don't all move in and become major LIs. So it's good padding that creates interesting side-stories that don't gravitate towards the center.

These two thoughts seem a bit disconnected, but... in the unfinished 1st chapter alone we move what... four times? First we move to college, but not in a simple go off to college and always have a home to go back to way, no. We move mom with us so that is a complete move, then we move again in less than a day into another house, then a short time later we move again and give out current/old-new house to someone else even though we don't own that house. Which is weird. So, yeah, not 4 times, but 4 houses. Also, you say it's a big safe house, but people are coming and going there all the time. So yeah, there's no way his location is secret or secure. As for the side characters comment, yeah, side characters don't become major LI's... Except if we asked who people consider to be side character and who are major LI's I'm not sure you could get this thread to come to a consensus. Is Harper a major LI? Is Rachel, Is Anna? He keeps adding all the time. there are girls living in his home who aren't his girlfriends, and others who are his girlfriends that don't live with him...but he wants to keep them all safe so he continues to invite them to live with him. Eventually they will outgrow that house if he keeps collecting girls. So, yeah, I think it's pretty safe to say that at some point he will have to move again. Unless that house has a multi-leveled basement beneath it.

I just think people get too hot-headed. I think it's better to be supportive and kind, rather than adding stress and criticism and endless suggestions on what he should do with the story. Especially if you want him to keep creating it. It's counter-productive to make him feel like crap about what he's made. When a painter is creating a painting you don't complain that it doesn't look good yet before he's finished. Because you don't know what they envision as the final product. A vision which hasn't even entirely crystalized.

The reason that we are able to discuss, critique, and make comments and suggestions here is because BD never comes to F95. He has stated years ago that he won't come here ever again. So don't worry so much about his sensitivities. And I have been supportive and kind where he is concerned in the past and if you really read what I have written nothing I have said is out of any animosity. it is purely out of concern.

I, on the other hand do engage with the community here. I consider their comments and concerns and often share my thoughts about how those concerns will be delt with in the future. I am even more active with my Patreon and Discord as well, and I frequently chat with my discord members daily both in my server and through dm's. I know not everyone will like what I do. Some times that critique helps me grow, sometimes it gives me new ideas. sometimes it strengthens my resolve about what I already plan. I don't see it as counter productive when someone voices concern, unless it is purely useless cussing about something with no offer of a possible solution. As a dev, I welcome questions and suggestions that promote creativity. I will often ask trusted supporters their opinions in order to obtain feedback. I honestly think that if BD did read this thread and look at it objectively, it would possibly help him make some positive adjustments. Feedback isn't always positive, but it is rarely useless.

Oh, and also, As an artist and graduate of the Art Institute of Dallas, I have absolutely seen art instructors look at unfinished works and complain. "You need to redo this." "Your perspective is off here." "Why is this blue instead of red?" "What are you even trying to say here?" "This looks very convoluted and confused." It's that little push that causes us to try harder and do better.

 

[Wolfeszorn]

I never said that there "hasn't been any basketball" I said that it has "barely started", and yes, the MC did recently say that he want's to focus on basketball more; however, this is not the first time he has made similar comments regarding basketball and/or practices, and there has been no follow through in those regards. Actions speak louder than words, and the characters actions don't support that he will move his focus back to basketball. So, no, based on his past history, it is not "safe to assume that the story will shift back" to a basketball focus. His focus is, and almost certainly will remain on the family that he has built for himself, adding to that family, and dealing with lots of extemporaneous/impromptu stuff

don´t forget that BD himself said at one point, that this game about a famous basketball player who went to this school to assist the local basketball team isn´t about basketball, it´s about impregnating as many women as possible. soooo.... yeah

 

[Dickbutttt]

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Dev Report #35 (March 24th, 2024)

Yo!

I made a book-sized report last week, this one isn't short but it's smaller.


As I mentioned in the last report, I will not be sharing any release dates until things are compiled and ready to be uploaded.
My current plan is to finish this scene I've been working on for Episode 14 before making any final decisions for the ending of Episode 13 where I'll then re-evaluate how I feel about it and make any changes I deem necessary before uploading it for all of you to play.

The update will be available to all tiers upon release, no tier timings.
It's shaping up to be 800+ renders and 20+ animations. (400 renders from the end of Episode 13, and 400 renders from the start of Episode 14.)
I do not plan on including all of Episode 14 in the upcoming update but Episode 14 will be the last update of Chapter 1 of Season 2. Meaning Episode 14 will include all of Days 37 and 38.
The plan is for Episode 14 to be around 900-1000 renders long so I'd say it's somewhere between 40%-50% complete.

It has been a very productive week, I was able to make 124 new renders and 3 new animations and another 70 renders for the redo. I added Armani, Aubrey, and Azel to the character sheets channel on discord, I made a lot of progress on finishing the basement and other rooms in the main home (Won't be seen in the upcoming update but they will be needed for the one following it), and I've almost finished writing for all of the scenes in Chapter 2.
(And just a quick heads up that chapter 2 will be quite a bit shorter than chapter 1 was in terms of render length but Chapter 2 will take us from Day 39 to Day 52. As mentioned before, there will be little time skips where the MC focuses on training so these days won't be giga-packed like Day 32 was.)

So, I'm afraid there's still nothing concrete to share right now, I should finish this scene for Episode 14 this week and I hope that gives me the ability to speak with a little more certainty in the next report.
And as far as pausing pledges go, I'm currently unsure if I will be this month or not. I want to, but after pausing 5 of the last 6 months I'm getting to a point where I'm not comfortably able to. Every month that was paused I continued to work, I was mainly pausing because I set goals that I was unable to meet.
In the event that I do unpause, everything that will be released in April will be made available to all former patrons via the discord so there is no pressure to have to keep your pledge active. You won't miss any posts as long as you join the discord by linking your discord to your patreon or subscribestar account.

That's all I have to share for now, I'm going to go get back to work!
Once again thank you all for your patience and understanding. I truly appreciate it. Have a wonderful week and I'll talk to all of you soon!

This seems to be going in the right direction. No more bullshit dates just telling us what he's working on approximately how much to look forward to (assuming he's not lying again) and relatively straight to the point.

 

[Takao Kinomiya]

Worst adult game I've ever played