- Oct 24, 2018
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Funny how it wasn't that way when he was actually making and releasing updates on the reg
It was a stupid thing to say so I'm not surprised that you do
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- Dec 9, 2017
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Well you call it toxic
I call it being held acountable for the 7 to 8 months of delays and supposed deadlines that always got pushed back one day before the deadlines
I am not surprised people finally getting fed up with it and vent their frustration
Its the yes men thats to blame that keep being ok with postponing stuff and delays
But yeah if ur saying anything bad its called either toxic or trolling
- Feb 20, 2020
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Totally agree with you. At this point, not even patrons and diehard fans can defend this anymore.
Its similar to how people think certain celebrities can do no wrong. If you call them out or have an issue with something, then you get labelled as toxic/a troll/entitled, etc. Its honestly crazy how people can still kiss this guys ass after the last year. We should be weeding out the milky devs, there are so many game devs that put a lot of effort in and respect their communities.
- Aug 10, 2017
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If toxic is people getting upset by the fact of being told a release it dropping on this day. Only to have it delayed time and again. Than yeah probably pretty darn toxic here.
I know it been said before people here don't pay for the game as they are pirating it and have no rights to be upset. I would agree except for the fact that people keep posting here release dates and then delaying them along with the excuses. If this is just a pirate site than why not no info and just update when the update drops. It kind of seems like it poking a bear with a stick. Sure it might ignore you, but at some point something going to happen.
- Mar 19, 2018
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I fully understand that people are fed up, its been what almost a full year since the last proper update.
I also believe that everyone should be held accountable and that everything should be criticized.
However there is a huge difference between holding someone accountable and what most people are doing here.
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hahaha
so you're upset over something that the dev has no control over.. right.. makes sense.
Which part?
Honestly the last few days on here, people have been expressing annoyance/frustration at yet another delay. Theres been no name calling, nothing like that. The only thing I can think which you might consider toxic is people questioning his excuses, but thats hardly toxic, seeing as his excuses are always pretty lame and come at the perfect time just before the big deadline... Which part do you think is over the line?
- Mar 19, 2018
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Honestly the whole pirate site arguement is a double edged sword.
However i agree fully that BD saying he could get 2 to 3 updatea out in June and we probably wont even see one is frustrating. I also agree that peiple deserve to be upset.
However i completely disagree that, that entitles people to spew their anger in the toxic ways we have been seeing. Is it everyone, no its not but there are a good amount of people being toxic arseholes.
- Dec 9, 2017
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Well to be fair people getting labeled as trolls and toxic no matter how u voice the displeasure
Thats whats bothering me the most with these yes men that blindly follow what ever the dev does or says
They tag every post that has even anything remotly bad to say about delays of the game as trolling or toxic
Sure some people take it a bit too far i agree but for the most part its that no one can say anything bad about the game or dev witout being called out for it and thats crazy imo
This whole shitshow thats been building up is the fault for people voting for longer game days
Back in the earlier days the dev posted mostly weekly updates sometimes bi weekly updates and things went pretty gud not many were complaining stuff went out on time
Imo he should just do 1 game day updates in the future the waiting aint that bad then the pressure on the dev is alot less..
- Aug 24, 2020
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All devs have their problems. BD did start off good but has let it slide. The best thing he could do is to look at other devs to achieve this then he wouldn't have the backlash. Just look at dig.b with Artemis update every Monday if he got time you might get some lucky renders during the week even he has reworked the game, along with other devs they've had to change soundtracks due to licence issues . Point being he hasn't along with many other devs have promised a date they will release it once ready. Artemis last update was beginning of the year leap of faith before that even but they've still got their fans excited for the update. If BD choses to follow their route it would be better for him but if he disconnects himself from social side of things then it will only get worse
- Aug 10, 2017
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I am not justify BD because I believe those that are upset and don't believe him and question him have every right to do so. That being said, I can understand having a tough time the last few years. We had a pandemic (I don't know if it was a bad as everyone made it out to be. Yet there were people that lost someone from covid and I sorry for their losses.) BD had deaths of people close to him. People hand thing differently, so who knows how it affected BD other than himself (if you believe him! A lot of trust and faith has been lose by being told the update only need a little more work and than get delay. This has happened multiple times now. After awhile it can seem like lies and pointless excuses to milk). I can only speak for myself, I am willing to say okay I believe him and say he isn't milking, but if life is tough right now and he isn't in a place to give put out regular updates. All I would ask is to stop setting date for the update to drop unless you are 100% sure it will drop or put the game on hold and get his life in order as much as one can. So he can come back strong and deliver some what regular updates.
I agree with you 100%.
For what its worth, I actually do believe his excuses (to an extent, the old "oops my meds aren't working" is probably BS). Like lots of people, I have poor mental health and I can absolutely relate to most things BD is saying. I believe that there were deaths in his life, and I believe these have affected him.
That said, he needs to stop the "update coming next week guys, I really promise this time" stuff. Its not doing him any good, and its absolutely killing his reputation/franchise.
Like I made a joking post the other day about how the big 2k update got split into 5 different ways, etc., but genuinely the stuff he has come up with as a solution is a joke. When you list back the things he has said its honestly comical. And its for those reasons that I'm frustrated, and others too in this thread I'm sure. If thats toxic, then I'm toxic.
- Apr 16, 2020
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BD is probably less interested in what's going on here in the thread anyway, but slowly negative statements are now also piling up among his patrons. Giving up the social stuff might work for him, but right now it sounds more like: see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing to me.
- Jan 26, 2021
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The negativity is his own doing...
He could have avoided all that if he had just continued to work on the game with constant updates on a reasonable schedule.
Instead he went the ICSTOR or Dammed route. ---> Milky City = Dead; Radiant = 99.79% Dead.
Could have been avoided for all those games... but no... it wasn't meant to be.
- Oct 22, 2017
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I'm a Patron of BD, and for now, I don't think he's pretending, but has the images and is in a loop where he revisits his stuff and rearranges/reworks it again and again as he told us.
You can argue that that doesn't warrant being supported anymore, even if you believe in what he tells us, but he already delivered a lot and has proven to be trustworthy in the past, so for now for me it's a kind of sick-leave situation where I was willing to further support him for some time before pulling the plug.
But he still has (and from mentionings in his posts he was/is) to be aware of the 'atmosphere' out there. At some point giving new deadlines makes no sense anymore if every single one gets torn down.
And after saying he WILL release everything he has (finished at that point to his liking), he should just DO that, trying to get a foot in the door, showing he CAN hold a deadline and HAS something finished to restore faith and trust where he can, and also show himself that he can release something.
The poll and now being surprised there are people not liking that new change/delay seems either delusional or plain dumb.
Hopefully, he WILL go through with it now and then continue releasing those chunks until he has released everything there is, freeing himself from that baggage and showing us he was legit in his posts.
If those updates aren't coming now, I'll stop my support, until there are released at least a few of them.
Even with all sympathy, I have for him and my trusting in him, at some point you have to get back on your feet.
And like others said - if you make something your sole source of income, it stops being a hobby.
If it stops being something you like to do that's still bad though - no one wins if there is no heart/soul behind it anymore.
You can argue that that doesn't warrant being supported anymore, even if you believe in what he tells us, but he already delivered a lot and has proven to be trustworthy in the past, so for now for me it's a kind of sick-leave situation where I was willing to further support him for some time before pulling the plug.
But he still has (and from mentionings in his posts he was/is) to be aware of the 'atmosphere' out there. At some point giving new deadlines makes no sense anymore if every single one gets torn down.
And after saying he WILL release everything he has (finished at that point to his liking), he should just DO that, trying to get a foot in the door, showing he CAN hold a deadline and HAS something finished to restore faith and trust where he can, and also show himself that he can release something.
The poll and now being surprised there are people not liking that new change/delay seems either delusional or plain dumb.
Hopefully, he WILL go through with it now and then continue releasing those chunks until he has released everything there is, freeing himself from that baggage and showing us he was legit in his posts.
If those updates aren't coming now, I'll stop my support, until there are released at least a few of them.
Even with all sympathy, I have for him and my trusting in him, at some point you have to get back on your feet.
And like others said - if you make something your sole source of income, it stops being a hobby.
If it stops being something you like to do that's still bad though - no one wins if there is no heart/soul behind it anymore.
After he got married and had a kid BD should have just made a blanket statement saying that real life has hit him like a truck and he wont be able to devote as much time to the game. Done and done. Maybe the Mrs. is pulling the strings now, lol..I have been married for more than 20 years and at the beginning I was her yes man lol. The rest sounds like a pile of crap to be honest, I have lost many close friends and family through the years but you have to put your big boy pants on and get on with life. I dont know this guy so everyone takes shit differently but he needs to stop blowing smoke up everyones asses. Just be honest, no more tall tales just man up and say " I just dont have the time"
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I can see the social issue being a big problem. I have played many online games once you get someone in the middle can cause even more problems. The amount of times I've seen them leave their role I've lost count one game was losing them every 3-6 months. This is due the fact they would get a response from the player base but very little from the devs. This leads to the person in the middle getting the hard time dealing with it all which usually ends up with them siding with the players and quiting the role only for someone else to take the place to start the cycle again. BD should just a breather go back to the mindrops with the renders and just develop it over time keep people hooked plenty of other games succeed at this WVM has definitely got the potential to do the same. Make people look forward to the release build it up but if he socially disconnects from it things will get worse and appears he's lost interest
- Aug 10, 2017
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hahahah
when did I ever say I am upset? I said if people are toxic because they are upset. I never said I was upset. The update will drop when it drops. That's how I look at it and I have stated multiple times I think that should be what is posted here. If anything needs to be posted here. As for what the dev has no control over. I don't remember blaming the dev for anything other than promising a update on this or that day only to delay multiple times. which it doesn't matter if the dev is posting it here or not. He still has control over that.
What the dev wouldn't have control over is if someone that gets his braindrops and then post them here. In that case it is whoever is posting them here would be to blamed for getting people here upset. Either way
- Aug 24, 2020
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Well said I've had it rough the last 4 year. Lost my mother 1st, a few years ago my best friend went missing at the beach still hasn't been found to top it all off my eldest brother died on my birthday at the beginning of the year. They all hit me hard but like you said you've got to deal with it the best thing I could do was work it did help just to take your mind off it. But its not just me everyone has these problems it's life if you don't deal with it then it affects others around which make it worse