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Well, I just don't think we're going to agree. Your examples of multiple storylines seems intentionally obtuse. Becoming part of a charity as a celebrity basketballer isn't a big stretch. The Riker storyline was a bit wild, but it was still a good crisis moment that the group and the MC had to overcome. Not every storyline within a series has the same significance. There are overarching stories and individual character development or relationship developments. An immersive world is like that because that's how the real world works. Everyone's the protagonist of their own stories and it's how all those stories overlap that give depth to the fictional world.
I also think you're making a lot of assumptions about the story that come out of left field. I don't think it's fair to say there hasn't been any basketball. At first it was mostly training and getting to know the team. And there were a lot of problems with the team. Lots of practice, and gradually solving all those problems. Then the match against Jax' team. The story is definitely there. The MC himself also said relatively recently that he wants to focus on basketball more. So it's safe to assume that the story will shift back to that.
The assumption that they'll move again is pretty unwaranted. It's a big safe house with plenty of room. That's the thing about side-characters. They don't all move in and become major LIs. So it's good padding that creates interesting side-stories that don't gravitate towards the center.
So I think on the creative end, we fundamentally disagree. I've been writing stories for decades and have a vivid imagination. I'm a software engineer but don't make VNs. But I like wild creativity. The story is still consistent enough and stays within its general theme.
You can worry about how long it will take him to finish, or whether he will abandon it or not. Those are always legitimate concerns, but ultimately boil down to the passion the creator has for his work. I would consider it unfortunate, but I would still appreciate what he has created so far.
I just think people get too hot-headed. I think it's better to be supportive and kind, rather than adding stress and criticism and endless suggestions on what he should do with the story. Especially if you want him to keep creating it. It's counter-productive to make him feel like crap about what he's made. When a painter is creating a painting you don't complain that it doesn't look good yet before he's finished. Because you don't know what they envision as the final product. A vision which hasn't even entirely crystalized.
Congratulations on beating the big C. Like I said, nothing personal we just have different beliefs on the creative process. Creating something is a journey. And as someone who has tried his hand at it, you should know it's easier to critique than to create. You shouldn't try to limit or dictate someone else's art (even if it's an adult VN).
all the women in the preview images wearing the same outfit, just colored differently
dude is so fuckin lazy
dude is so fuckin lazy
Quick ? if you turn down Racheal the first time do you get another chance or is that it?
and you're suprised? He's been doing the "same outfit" routine the entire time.
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That's an interesting thing to say when you literally started out your comment by insulting Grif.
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Game was good, but it declined a lot every year, it will never finish, there are more or less 1000 LI, he will probably pass on the development of the game to his grandchildren
That's not an insult. His comparison was way off the mark. There's a big difference between a hypothetical combination of shows like NCIS, Numb3rs, 7th Heaven, Vampire Diaries and Gossip Girl all into one... and a VN about a college basketball star with a large female following getting pulled into a charity org and getting into a couple fights. His comparison also insinuates that each of those shows have only one overarching storyline. Which they don't. Every show has a core theme or concept, usually with a new broad story arc per season and, especially with detective series, often individual storylines per episode. Not to mention character development and relationship development weaved throughout.
If you can't see that that's an argument about the subject and not an ad hominem, then I dunno what to tell you other than "You're wrong.". He turned my initial argument about immersive worlds having a multitude of story lines into a strawman by creating a false analogy and criticizing the result. There's nothing hot-headed about pointing that out. The reason I was so direct about it is because he's smart enough not to do something like that unintentionally.
I don't get angry debating people. In fact, I really enjoy it.
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I can only impatiently await the introduction of characters named Nike, Lvmh, Adidas, Gap, Kering, Puma and or Hermés.
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Yes, I intentionally overexagerated my storyline example. It is a common debate tactic to take what someone is doing/saying and extend it to an almost ridiculous point to show the flaw in the process. But, since you didn't like that, let's back it down a bit. Sticking with the Paramount example, lets take another look at this by considering Star Trek. Paramount owns Star Trek. The are, however, wise enough to make multiple shows, instead of one that jumps back and forth all over space and time. Currently they have Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks, and while they have all had crossovers (yes, the Lower Decks cartoons were on an episove of SNW) they are not one show.
I currently have plans for 17 AVN's. I will probably have to turn those over to a child one day though, because I am not going to try and put them all in one game. (Actually I hope to build a studio that employees up to 4 teams of 3 and do 4 games at once. but that's beside the point.)
To be continued... have to take my kid to school.
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I never said that there "hasn't been any basketball" I said that it has "barely started", and yes, the MC did recently say that he want's to focus on basketball more; however, this is not the first time he has made similar comments regarding basketball and/or practices, and there has been no follow through in those regards. Actions speak louder than words, and the characters actions don't support that he will move his focus back to basketball. So, no, based on his past history, it is not "safe to assume that the story will shift back" to a basketball focus. His focus is, and almost certainly will remain on the family that he has built for himself, adding to that family, and dealing with lots of extemporaneous/impromptu stuff.
These two thoughts seem a bit disconnected, but... in the unfinished 1st chapter alone we move what... four times? First we move to college, but not in a simple go off to college and always have a home to go back to way, no. We move mom with us so that is a complete move, then we move again in less than a day into another house, then a short time later we move again and give out current/old-new house to someone else even though we don't own that house. Which is weird. So, yeah, not 4 times, but 4 houses. Also, you say it's a big safe house, but people are coming and going there all the time. So yeah, there's no way his location is secret or secure. As for the side characters comment, yeah, side characters don't become major LI's... Except if we asked who people consider to be side character and who are major LI's I'm not sure you could get this thread to come to a consensus. Is Harper a major LI? Is Rachel, Is Anna? He keeps adding all the time. there are girls living in his home who aren't his girlfriends, and others who are his girlfriends that don't live with him...but he wants to keep them all safe so he continues to invite them to live with him. Eventually they will outgrow that house if he keeps collecting girls. So, yeah, I think it's pretty safe to say that at some point he will have to move again. Unless that house has a multi-leveled basement beneath it.
The reason that we are able to discuss, critique, and make comments and suggestions here is because BD never comes to F95. He has stated years ago that he won't come here ever again. So don't worry so much about his sensitivities. And I have been supportive and kind where he is concerned in the past and if you really read what I have written nothing I have said is out of any animosity. it is purely out of concern.
I, on the other hand do engage with the community here. I consider their comments and concerns and often share my thoughts about how those concerns will be delt with in the future. I am even more active with my Patreon and Discord as well, and I frequently chat with my discord members daily both in my server and through dm's. I know not everyone will like what I do. Some times that critique helps me grow, sometimes it gives me new ideas. sometimes it strengthens my resolve about what I already plan. I don't see it as counter productive when someone voices concern, unless it is purely useless cussing about something with no offer of a possible solution. As a dev, I welcome questions and suggestions that promote creativity. I will often ask trusted supporters their opinions in order to obtain feedback. I honestly think that if BD did read this thread and look at it objectively, it would possibly help him make some positive adjustments. Feedback isn't always positive, but it is rarely useless.
Oh, and also, As an artist and graduate of the Art Institute of Dallas, I have absolutely seen art instructors look at unfinished works and complain. "You need to redo this." "Your perspective is off here." "Why is this blue instead of red?" "What are you even trying to say here?" "This looks very convoluted and confused." It's that little push that causes us to try harder and do better.
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don´t forget that BD himself said at one point, that this game about a famous basketball player who went to this school to assist the local basketball team isn´t about basketball, it´s about impregnating as many women as possible.
soooo.... yeah
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This seems to be going in the right direction. No more bullshit dates just telling us what he's working on approximately how much to look forward to (assuming he's not lying again) and relatively straight to the point.
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Well leaving ep 13 unfinished and starting 14 is not sounding much encouraging but we can hope!!!
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Because it would be much more challenging to build the renders in such a way that the protagonist's face would be hidden by various elements (hands, arms, other people in general etc) or angles. Exactly the same with DITLO: Harper. And for what he does, he doesn't even have to go into Paint for 5 minutes to solve it. But hey, at least that allows him more time to design unnecessary birthday renders and another 12 dozen ladies who also need birthday renders. Apart from that, let's be honest: the only lady in this VN who still has her senses together is Jamie's mother, at least that was my last stand with her. Of course, she may have been duckfaced in the meantime.
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I guess it depends of each person's outlook . I just see claims of some "sweaty and solid good work" from a notorious liar , while in that same post , he admits having nothing concrete to share yet .
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Wtf i took a 2months break from renpy games and still no update xdddddd
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I wasn't quick but yes, if you turn her down at Azel's office you still get another chance later on. Her and Liz both give two chances.