Cake3Purple6Cheese948

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I'd be pissed if my computer started censoring stuff like swear words in the browser... Why do you have it at all?
It's one of my extensions, a configurable "profanity" filter. Not yet figured out how to get it to exclude filtered words that are in specific phrases\contexts. Don't worry about it.
 

OrgansMissing

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It's so weird to me how the entire premise of the game is that there are pills you can take to just flip your gender like a switch, but mechanically the game is built around you being masculine or feminine, and it locks you off masc content. What these... 'values' affect seems very arbitrary and strange to me as well.

Also the whole society seems to be really on board with really rigid ideas of gender. But bitch you got a pill that just flips that shit like it's nothin.

To me, that seems like incongruent design. I don't get it. Why is the game making you choose one or the other? There are pills that mean you don't have to. That's the whole point of the pill.

I imagine it just boils down to me not being aligned with... whatever you'd call this fetish. Which is fine, everyone deserves their niche. It just seems odd to me. And idk where else to voice these thoughts. Not trying to harsh anyones vibes. Jerk off to your shit, I'm not telling you not to.
 

Vitegra

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It's so weird to me how the entire premise of the game is that there are pills you can take to just flip your gender like a switch, but mechanically the game is built around you being masculine or feminine, and it locks you off masc content. What these... 'values' affect seems very arbitrary and strange to me as well.

Also the whole society seems to be really on board with really rigid ideas of gender. But bitch you got a pill that just flips that shit like it's nothin.

To me, that seems like incongruent design. I don't get it. Why is the game making you choose one or the other? There are pills that mean you don't have to. That's the whole point of the pill.

I imagine it just boils down to me not being aligned with... whatever you'd call this fetish. Which is fine, everyone deserves their niche. It just seems odd to me. And idk where else to voice these thoughts. Not trying to harsh anyones vibes. Jerk off to your shit, I'm not telling you not to.
I agree. In my opinion, instead of dividing male and female, it makes more sense to create two separate scales for male and female in the X-Change universe. Both scales start from zero (amorphous trash) and demonstrate how close the MC has come in its development to the ideal of man and woman.
 

Vitegra

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Given the game's ability to influence women, it's logical for Bruce to use women to influence others. For example, Bruce might not directly confront the MC, but use his corrupt sister or girls from a bar to plant a pill on the MC.
Also, during a visit to the MC's sister, Bruce might plant a pill in the drink of the MC or his stepfather, or even both.
In general, Bruce's behavior is too simple; he doesn't enjoy the process of corrupting the MC. However, during sex, Bruce could mention that the MC was an alpha who competed with him for women, and now he's one of them. He could also invite the MC to a mall or other establishment, or even come to the MC's office, forcing the MC to dress publicly and behave more promiscuously.

A similar situation exists with black guys in a bar who can influence girls to plant pills on the MC and Bruce.

Pills are planted in the office, but there's no subsequent targeting. For example, after slipping a pill to a male sexual partner, the instigator might begin stalking the male sexual partner, arousing their new body with touch and conversation. Similarly, but more overtly, the instigator might act in a nightclub, literally clinging to the changed male sexual partner to ensure the pill doesn't go to waste.

Of course, this is extra work, but it would be good to add several clients for each pill sold, or one client for several pills. For example, a type who moves more quickly to sex, ignoring the male sexual partner's reputation.

Coffee in the secretary's office is just begging for a pill, creating the precondition for a threesome or an emergency secretary to meet a VIP client.
 

l1lym

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You're free to make a game like that, but I enjoy focusing on the male/female binary! I like transformations making you give something up, and embrace one thing while giving up another thing. I just find that concept hot. That's why I add both male and female pov content, I like making the player choose rather than just being able to do everything.
 

OrgansMissing

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You're free to make a game like that, but I enjoy focusing on the male/female binary! I like transformations making you give something up, and embrace one thing while giving up another thing. I just find that concept hot. That's why I add both male and female pov content, I like making the player choose rather than just being able to do everything.
I'm not telling you to do anything different, or asking you to, or attempting to influence you to. It just literally makes me feel kinda nuts and this is the community for the game so it's where I have to speak on the matter. So I'm yapping. I'm not even complaining about your work, I'm sure you've gotten a lot over the years. I'm not doing that. I just need to get my thoughts out.

Like, that's how transitioning is, IRL. You give up your initial gender presentation to change stuff about your physical body. It takes a lot of effort and is difficult to reverse. Typically this is done because it's the best thing for you, rather than whim.

But here, in this fictional world, you don't have to give ANYTHING up or put any more effort in than some cash... because of the magic pill that flips your gender instantly and then unflips it when it wears off. It seems like the giving things up part is an artificial penalty layered onto the setting that detracts from the initial premise. The pill promotes whimsical changes to your gender, because you have a pill that can flip your gender with literally no side effects (and a bunch with random fetish side effects). You can flip it as you feel. Except... you can't... because for some reason your character can't seem to wrap his head around the idea that this magical pill flipping your gender makes masculinity and femininity kinda just made up performances in the face of the magical pill that instantly flips your gender and then lets you return to your prior state with no actual physical changes.

Like it's FINE, if that's hot to you. I'm not saying you're WRONG to have made the game like this, or to enjoy this. It just seems like this was an odd medium to explore that specific fetish. The premise seems to literally facilitate an alternate view of these things, and it seemed, to me, that choosing this premise for it is... incongruent with it's strengths.

So yeah. I don't have a point beyond that. Just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same really, or at least can see it, even if they enjoy it. I mean I've enjoyed the game plenty myself, it's just any time I sink into it causes these thoughts to scratch at the back of my head.
 

l1lym

Aphrodite, creator of X-Change Life™
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I'm not telling you to do anything different, or asking you to, or attempting to influence you to. It just literally makes me feel kinda nuts and this is the community for the game so it's where I have to speak on the matter. So I'm yapping. I'm not even complaining about your work, I'm sure you've gotten a lot over the years. I'm not doing that. I just need to get my thoughts out.

Like, that's how transitioning is, IRL. You give up your initial gender presentation to change stuff about your physical body. It takes a lot of effort and is difficult to reverse. Typically this is done because it's the best thing for you, rather than whim.

But here, in this fictional world, you don't have to give ANYTHING up or put any more effort in than some cash... because of the magic pill that flips your gender instantly and then unflips it when it wears off. It seems like the giving things up part is an artificial penalty layered onto the setting that detracts from the initial premise. The pill promotes whimsical changes to your gender, because you have a pill that can flip your gender with literally no side effects (and a bunch with random fetish side effects). You can flip it as you feel. Except... you can't... because for some reason your character can't seem to wrap his head around the idea that this magical pill flipping your gender makes masculinity and femininity kinda just made up performances in the face of the magical pill that instantly flips your gender and then lets you return to your prior state with no actual physical changes.

Like it's FINE, if that's hot to you. I'm not saying you're WRONG to have made the game like this, or to enjoy this. It just seems like this was an odd medium to explore that specific fetish. The premise seems to literally facilitate an alternate view of these things, and it seemed, to me, that choosing this premise for it is... incongruent with it's strengths.

So yeah. I don't have a point beyond that. Just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same really, or at least can see it, even if they enjoy it. I mean I've enjoyed the game plenty myself, it's just any time I sink into it causes these thoughts to scratch at the back of my head.
XCL's tension between having the ability to transform and facing consequences for those transformations actually creates more compelling gameplay and narrative (in my humble opinion) - just because the technology exists doesn't mean society (or the individual) instantly abandons all gender concepts, and navigating that friction between possibility and social reality is EXACTLY what makes the experience interesting rather than just being a consequence-free sandbox.

When you can't have everything simultaneously, you create desire and stakes. The masculine things you lose make the feminine things you gain feel more precious (and vice versa). It's like how food tastes better when you're hungry - limitation creates value.
 

Lysara

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Honestly, between the ability to switch from Masculine Man to Feminine Woman in seconds, and even the Basic having the ability to protect against pregnancy and STDs, I imagine the Pills have made a society that's very different from our own, even if it might look similar. In a way, I understand how instantly going from Male to Female might remove a lot of shades of gray (gender-wise), and you could end up with much stricter gender-norms.
 
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yewfella

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Honestly, between the ability to switch from Masculine Man to Feminine Woman in seconds, and even the Basic having the ability to protect against pregnancy and STDs, I imagine the Pills have made a society that's very different from our own, even if it might look similar. In a way, I understand how instantly going from Male to Female might remove a lot of shades of gray (gender-wise), and you could end up with much stricter gender-norms.
I guess it depends how dystopian or utopian your perspective is. There could be a really strong conservative faction of people completely opposed to the grey area. Or it could be a fact of everyday life that's normal and not strange to anyone.

EDIT: Nvm, I hadn't read the full convo for context. My reply was a bit of off topic, lol.
 
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Thorsten

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Is there any chance for the pacth to release before the start of the weekend? I am holding back my playthrough until the intiface-fix and am eager to discover 22.2.
 

Gerhumm

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I don't get the point about the incongruity of the game design, because, even though I have not yet played much of the game, isn't the game (at least the early parts that I've experienced) littered with the mentions of the system being seemingly corrupt/suspicious? Bar girls can be pro-pill ("like seeing guys turning into hungry sluts"), but also conform to traditional gender roles, there's this lengthy radio-debate between AIs about the corrupting influence of the pills, and some of the one-time encounters also speak about this. In fact the central aspect of this game - your job - is filled with creeps/sub-human scum that coerce you into sex by dangling sales in front of you, and said sex will often result in negative and downright destructive mental changes.

I genuinely like this part of the game. If they ever revolutionise the fields of cosmetic surgery and de-aging, you know for a fact there will be instantly a whole black market for pedos and stalkers forcing the destitute into operations to look like their favourite celebrity/loli.
 
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