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You're special aren't you....you know the only reason that flashback exists right? Right? Get the fuck over it and move on with your life, you've made your point you dislike her. Good for you.
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I was done before either of you big brains even said a word to me, you 2 are the reason this conversation even exists.
- Jul 12, 2020
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You made three posts about it before I even commented.
Maybe you should work on increasing the size of your own brain first before trying to call me out
All that over some dumb bint, whom you can choose to exclude in the future - and I think many will choose to do just that.
The whole cheating affair with Kayla is indeed rather off-putting. You had the protagonist start off with no self-respect, staying in an ultimately toxic relationship with her. Then eventually the whole fiasco with Kim, where she disrespects his own sense of agency, his right to be told the truth, at the very least.
But it doesn't need to stay that way. You can cut them and their toxicity out of the protagonist's life permanently, and move onto better things - thus having the protagonist grow as a person, and gain a better sense of self-worth. Decent character growth for the protagonist themselves is something that many VNs fail to ever do.
Now, if the dev decided to force players into a compulsory relationship with her in the future, then that would be a completely different matter.
The whole cheating affair with Kayla is indeed rather off-putting. You had the protagonist start off with no self-respect, staying in an ultimately toxic relationship with her. Then eventually the whole fiasco with Kim, where she disrespects his own sense of agency, his right to be told the truth, at the very least.
But it doesn't need to stay that way. You can cut them and their toxicity out of the protagonist's life permanently, and move onto better things - thus having the protagonist grow as a person, and gain a better sense of self-worth. Decent character growth for the protagonist themselves is something that many VNs fail to ever do.
Now, if the dev decided to force players into a compulsory relationship with her in the future, then that would be a completely different matter.
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Their original and first relationship was far from toxic...anything but, the exact opposite in fact. You reading the same dialogue as everyone else?
Everything after that, the rekindling and then the subsequent failing tell the MC about Kim...sure...she deserves it, as much as the MC does for also rekindling. So hate her, surely you all hate the MC (you) just as much hmmm? Food for thought...
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Where exactly did you get the cheating on the MC from?
She was forced to move with no prospect of coming back. If you consider her cheating, then MC did the same with Alessa, at that point becomes a mental gymnastic on who cheated first, but the fact is no one did it with the intention of cheating, they just thought will never see each other again and moved on.The only actual cheating in the game is MC and Keyla cheating on
Edit: Forgot Zeke cheating on Keyla also.
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lol this is almost turned into a / popcorn read and a dumb one at that. I understand not liking the cheating flashback scene or w/e but to me it seems like a important one just to really put the nail in the coffin and show how horrible of a person Keyla is. As well to show how the MC was shitty to and correct me if im wrong as I forgot a bit but isn't part of the game's story trying portray how the MC is trying to be a better person than he was in the past.
Also I don't get how some thinks a flashback means it's forced relationship when it's that a flashback of the past and I been ignoring her in my game so nothing been forced other than to show some important backstory.
Also I don't get how some thinks a flashback means it's forced relationship when it's that a flashback of the past and I been ignoring her in my game so nothing been forced other than to show some important backstory.
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Correct....correct....aaaannnnd correct.
Well done Des, at least some of us actually pay attention.
- Oct 24, 2018
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You are all a bunch of haters, I still hold hope for a Keyla redemption arc. But yeah, I can't lie, last update was character assassination on her and when she polls same numbers as Kim, you know she is pretty much done.
But yeah, I can't lie, last update was character assassination on her and when she polls same numbers as Kim, you know she is pretty much done.
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We are all playing this game. We are holding the hand of dev through our deep dives into the plot of this game .. be it shallow as a Sunday times read of - who done it with who and - who ran away with who and - who is Leo di Caprio current underage victim and - who is this month Jude Law putting a baby into and - who was Kanie pump and dumping this weekend.
The girls and MC alike are carefree hook up artists, they just do not feel the sense of beholden that actual relationship driven boys and girls around the globe have in their hearts as a driving force to be with or follow their bethrothed anywhere and everywhere.
The girls and MC alike are carefree hook up artists, they just do not feel the sense of beholden that actual relationship driven boys and girls around the globe have in their hearts as a driving force to be with or follow their bethrothed anywhere and everywhere.
Where exactly did you get the cheating on the MC from?
The only actual cheating in the game is MC and Keyla cheating onSteveZeke.
Edit: Forgot Zeke cheating on Keyla also.
You are all a bunch of haters, I still hold hope for a Keyla redemption arc.
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Hey not me...I have nothing against her other than not telling us Kim was leaving (though it is revealed this last update why she didn't say anything...to an extent, fair enough). Cheating does not bother me in the slightest as the MC was just as culpable. They both made a huge mistake. Done, in the past. She not my fave by a long way, but don't dislike her and do have a save for her.
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yeah im only ignoring her cause im not into her compared to the other options. Ill eventually play her path just not a first or 2nd choice. But I wouldn't say I hate her I do think she has done some things that are horrible but she has to do more for me to actually hate her. I say maybe I just dislike her at the most. I actually hope she does get a redemption arc would make playing her path worthwhile when I do play it.You are all a bunch of haters, I still hold hope for a Keyla redemption arc.
reading about a bunch of cheating going on, before I play though does Kim do any of that? shes the only one that I like so far based on preview images
- Jul 25, 2017
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no she doesn't cheat but she does leave the MC without telling him why and leave him to wonder why she left and went back home for about a year or 2 until she comes back.
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.................................... Haters...You are all a bunch of haters, I still hold hope for a Keyla redemption arc.
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They're in high school when she leaves, she knows that MC is staying in town and she is only a few years away (at most) from turning 18. She specifically says that she wants MC to be her one and only and asks him to wait for her. She didn't even move that far, she met Zeke (not sure why I called him Steve lol) in Buffalo, whereas the rest of the game takes place somewhere else in New York state (possibly NYC), that's at most a few hours away. This is in the 2010's, so cellphones and the internet already exist. There's absolutely no reason why she should think that she'll never see him again. She even specifically decides to go to school with Zeke because it will bring her back to town to see MC, which means she knew she still loved MC and easily could've gone back without ever fucking Zeke. The only thing she didn't anticipate was that Zeke and MC were already best friends. All of that amounts to cheating, even if the MC also cheated, which she didn't know about anyway.Where exactly did you get the cheating on the MC from?
The only actual cheating in the game is MC and Keyla cheating onSteveZeke.
Edit: Forgot Zeke cheating on Keyla also.
Personally, it doesn't even bother me that much me that she cheated on MC. It's unfortunate, because I thought she was interesting in Chapter 1, but she was already my least favorite LI, so I was going to ignore her anyway. The thing that bothers me, as I've repeatedly said, is the lack of player agency in the MC fucking her again, behind Zeke's back, after she ditched MC for Zeke to begin with. You could easily put a variable in for MC to betray Zeke and side with Keyla or to be loyal to Zeke. The same thing goes for Alessia, you could easily have the MC sleep with her behind Keyla's back or not, obviously Alessia isn't over MC anyway so it would be simple for them to have either had an intimate relationship or for the MC to have been a close friend who comforted her during a difficult time, whom she developed feelings for.
Apologies if I wasn't clear. I'm not referring to their original relationship (which was diabetes-inducing sweet), but the one after she reunited with him - where he pretty much abandoned all his self-respect.
I don't hate the MC. He was a young, dumb college kid, and chose to let his dick do the thinking for him. The point is, you can have him learn from his mistakes and grow to become a better person. Kayla, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have learned anything much from the past. I don't exactly hate her either, but she's the kind of person who just cannot help herself, instead ruining herself and those around her too. People like that end up becoming a liability, no matter what fond memories you may have of them.
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Ahhh fair point, I misunderstood.
As for the rest, yes she does eem that way but for me, she seems quite a complex character that many people don't want to even try and understand. She is obviously still hung up on the MC and when coming back she (nor the MC) realised his best friend was her new bf. Not ideal but still all fair. Now, when they both realised and continued, that's when it gets contentious I agree. However, they both continued...so I maintain, all the hate for Keyla must also be directed at the MC. You cannot say the MC was young and dumb, yet then demonise Keyla...it's one or the other I afraid (when thinking rationally and logically and not emotionally).
It is also very obvious (if one chooses to open ones eyes and see the reality) that Keyla's marriage is incredibly toxic and neither love each other and that, he is actually far worse than she is. Should she have married him because she couldn't have the MC? No...but I actually can perfectly relate with her there as I did the exact same thing with my first marriage and no, I shouldn't have married someone who ultimately was 'second best'. Sure, was a big mistake but as this very thread over the last few pages perfectly and capably demonstrates, people are not exactly rational when they are emotional.
Now I'm not saying I love her, the character but the hate against her is utterly ridiculous. How she acts moving forward now is ultimately what matters as both her and the MC are guilty and both played their part in the past. I just hope (from a story point of view), that even if we are not on her path, they leave each other as it's not a good marriage from either side.
Ultimately though, she has done the MC (us) no wrong...and this to me is why this is one of the better VN's around, creating characters so believable and real that it promotes (usually healthy and civil) discussions like this.
