BurhanDanger

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If I can ask, what don't you like about Griffin?
I'll speak for myself.

Griffin, IMO, is truly an evil character and hypocrite. He's sympathetic to MC so long it doesn't cost him anything. For example, when trying to bail out on skill transference spell, Raven tries to force MC to still complete the spell. You'd think Griffin would help MC, but Griffin just stays there and doesn't do anything because it'd ultimately benefit him.

Griffin never strongly opposes Raven when three of them are together but then when alone with MC, Griffin floods them crocodile tears.

EDIT: Just to be clear I don't want him/his personality changed. Every story needs a good villain. This brother-sister duo are quite comical. Raven is more immature than evil though. But Griffin just shines.
 
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bbrrian

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Griffin’s personality is kinda bland compare to other characters like Jessica or Raven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I think Griffin is supposed to be a character that are kind, hard working but lack confidence, and as he slowly getting good, he become more confident and eventually become a star in the school. But in the early game, player just didn’t really see that he interact with MC beside practicing, fought for the quarterback spot or support MC during the transformation. Even after they start dating, he sometimes just disappears if you don’t go to the lake with him.

This makes their relationship feel a little bit too rush to me. I mean MC and Griffin are barely even friend from the start, but after MC is forced to practice with him a couple times because of the curse, MC start to fall for him and sucking him in the dorm? at the time MC hasn’t even transformed that much yet.

Maybe MC and Griffin can become close friend first. And when MC becomes more and more feminine to a certain point then they start to attract each other.(but there are lots of trasformation points in Griffin's path, maybe it is hard to transform enough without doing those intimate scene with Griffin)
Also Griffin start seeing Morgan right after he ask MC to break up with Jessica? this part is kinda weird.

Sorry if I sound like complaining, this game is overall the best game I’ve ever played on this site, the story is very very good, thanks for the great work!
 
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Pistol

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I'm in the process of adding content that will let you do that: the latest update let you date Jessica and either Griffin or Raven, and future updates will add more content to this. So yes, you'll be able to have a threesome with Jessica and Marco!
Oh, I'm so glad to hear this. I will look forward to future updates!
 
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gregers

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I'll speak for myself.

Griffin, IMO, is truly an evil character and hypocrite. He's sympathetic to MC so long it doesn't cost him anything. For example, when trying to bail out on skill transference spell, Raven tries to force MC to still complete the spell. You'd think Griffin would help MC, but Griffin just stays there and doesn't do anything because it'd ultimately benefit him.

Griffin never strongly opposes Raven when three of them are together but then when alone with MC, Griffin floods them crocodile tears.

EDIT: Just to be clear I don't want him/his personality changed. Every story needs a good villain. This brother-sister duo are quite comical. Raven is more immature than evil though. But Griffin just shines.
I agree with most of this, but don't consider Griffin as much of a villain as Raven (also speaking just for myself, obv.). She's the one who actively harms the MC, he's just a spineless hypocrite perfectly content to reap the rewards from her abuse, mouthing comforting platitudes to keep his conscience clean.

Raven is the clear antagonist and needs to be tackled somehow. Griffin is just a parasite, beneath the MC's notice. You might step on him, but not in your best shoes.
 

GokutheG

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I don't think Griffin is a villain at all. He lacks confidence especially when it comes to his sister. I've know people like him who knows that someone they're close to is wrong but for some reason can't call them out on it especially if that person is a family member. I see him as someone who avoids confrontation whenever possible.
 

GokutheG

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I'm also considering combining confidence and dominance/submission into one stat, so if your confidence goes down you'll at least become more submissive from it.
I hope this wouldn't mean the mc can't be confident in their football ability while also being a bottom/submissive sexually.
 
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I'll speak for myself.

Griffin, IMO, is truly an evil character and hypocrite. He's sympathetic to MC so long it doesn't cost him anything. For example, when trying to bail out on skill transference spell, Raven tries to force MC to still complete the spell. You'd think Griffin would help MC, but Griffin just stays there and doesn't do anything because it'd ultimately benefit him.

Griffin never strongly opposes Raven when three of them are together but then when alone with MC, Griffin floods them crocodile tears.

EDIT: Just to be clear I don't want him/his personality changed. Every story needs a good villain. This brother-sister duo are quite comical. Raven is more immature than evil though. But Griffin just shines.
Griffin’s personality is kinda bland compare to other characters like Jessica or Raven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I think Griffin is supposed to be a character that are kind, hard working but lack confidence, and as he slowly getting good, he become more confident and eventually become a star in the school. But in the early game, player just didn’t really see that he interact with MC beside practicing, fought for the quarterback spot or support MC during the transformation. Even after they start dating, he sometimes just disappears if you don’t go to the lake with him.

This makes their relationship feel a little bit too rush to me. I mean MC and Griffin are barely even friend from the start, but after MC is forced to practice with him a couple times because of the curse, MC start to fall for him and sucking him in the dorm? at the time MC hasn’t even transformed that much yet.

Maybe MC and Griffin can become close friend first. And when MC becomes more and more feminine to a certain point then they start to attract each other.(but there are lots of trasformation points in Griffin's path, maybe it is hard to transform enough without doing those intimate scene with Griffin)
Also Griffin start seeing Morgan right after he ask MC to break up with Jessica? this part is kinda weird.

Sorry if I sound like complaining, this game is overall the best game I’ve ever played on this site, the story is very very good, thanks for the great work!
I agree with most of this, but don't consider Griffin as much of a villain as Raven (also speaking just for myself, obv.). She's the one who actively harms the MC, he's just a spineless hypocrite perfectly content to reap the rewards from her abuse, mouthing comforting platitudes to keep his conscience clean.

Raven is the clear antagonist and needs to be tackled somehow. Griffin is just a parasite, beneath the MC's notice. You might step on him, but not in your best shoes.
I don't think Griffin is a villain at all. He lacks confidence especially when it comes to his sister. I've know people like him who knows that someone they're close to is wrong but for some reason can't call them out on it especially if that person is a family member. I see him as someone who avoids confrontation whenever possible.
Thank you for the answers!

I tried to have Griffin stand up to Raven: she wanted to curse you again after she realized you could win the championship on your own but Griffin shut her down. And if you transfer your skills to him and he wins the championship, he'll offer to give you your skills back but you refuse.
I hope this wouldn't mean the mc can't be confident in their football ability while also being a bottom/submissive sexually.
Yeah, I guess it would. You can still be good at football with a negative confidence stat though.
 
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I hope this wouldn't mean the mc can't be confident in their football ability while also being a bottom/submissive sexually.
I guess the dev may want to limit the variants, but other than that there's no good reason why the MC couldn't be both a confident football player and enthusiastic submissive, as long as they're keeping what happens on the field and in the bedroom separate.

(The opposite combination, a low confidence dominant, might make less sense.)
 

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Thank you for the answers!

I tried to have Griffin stand up to Raven: she wanted to curse you again after she realized you could win the championship on your own but Griffin shut her down. And if you transfer your skills to him and he wins the championship, he'll offer to give you your skills back but you refuse.

Yeah, I guess it would. You can still be good at football with a negative confidence stat though.
But what if you deliberately try to not win the championship at all?
 

shadesnake

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I tried to have Griffin stand up to Raven: she wanted to curse you again after she realized you could win the championship on your own but Griffin shut her down. And if you transfer your skills to him and he wins the championship, he'll offer to give you your skills back but you refuse.
How many times have I noticed how Raven is not a good person. In general, it is strange to consider her as a love interest, even Griffin is much better.

By the way, I have been tormented for a long time by the fact that having lost height you physically cannot win in American football. Yes, short people are generally slower, but it is not a fact, and the influence of the female body is also, but it seems that there is only a 10% difference, but being a first-class runner, the player should at least win runs. I understand that there is no way to win power, but running should be possible. Why am I saying this. In one of the roleplays in your game, I set myself such conditions that I would try to win despite collecting all the changes, it was interesting that having put in all my efforts and still lost, I just had to give up. Which was depressing
 

GokutheG

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I really like Raven as a character. It's rare to have a LI who starts by being an antagonist. This dynamic with the mc is very refreshing. Her relationship with her brother is also interesting especially with there opposite personalities.
 
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