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[bbrrian]

Griffin’s personality is kinda bland compare to other characters like Jessica or Raven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I think Griffin is supposed to be a character that are kind, hard working but lack confidence, and as he slowly getting good, he become more confident and eventually become a star in the school. But in the early game, player just didn’t really see that he interact with MC beside practicing, fought for the quarterback spot or support MC during the transformation. Even after they start dating, he sometimes just disappears if you don’t go to the lake with him.

This makes their relationship feel a little bit too rush to me. I mean MC and Griffin are barely even friend from the start, but after MC is forced to practice with him a couple times because of the curse, MC start to fall for him and sucking him in the dorm? at the time MC hasn’t even transformed that much yet.

Maybe MC and Griffin can become close friend first. And when MC becomes more and more feminine to a certain point then they start to attract each other.(but there are lots of trasformation points in Griffin's path, maybe it is hard to transform enough without doing those intimate scene with Griffin)
Also Griffin start seeing Morgan right after he ask MC to break up with Jessica? this part is kinda weird.

Sorry if I sound like complaining, this game is overall the best game I’ve ever played on this site, the story is very very good, thanks for the great work!

 

[Pistol]

I'm in the process of adding content that will let you do that: the latest update let you date Jessica and either Griffin or Raven, and future updates will add more content to this. So yes, you'll be able to have a threesome with Jessica and Marco!

Oh, I'm so glad to hear this. I will look forward to future updates!

 

[gregers]

I'll speak for myself.

Griffin, IMO, is truly an evil character and hypocrite. He's sympathetic to MC so long it doesn't cost him anything. For example, when trying to bail out on skill transference spell, Raven tries to force MC to still complete the spell. You'd think Griffin would help MC, but Griffin just stays there and doesn't do anything because it'd ultimately benefit him.

Griffin never strongly opposes Raven when three of them are together but then when alone with MC, Griffin floods them crocodile tears.

EDIT: Just to be clear I don't want him/his personality changed. Every story needs a good villain. This brother-sister duo are quite comical. Raven is more immature than evil though. But Griffin just shines.

I agree with most of this, but don't consider Griffin as much of a villain as Raven (also speaking just for myself, obv.). She's the one who actively harms the MC, he's just a spineless hypocrite perfectly content to reap the rewards from her abuse, mouthing comforting platitudes to keep his conscience clean.

Raven is the clear antagonist and needs to be tackled somehow. Griffin is just a parasite, beneath the MC's notice. You might step on him, but not in your best shoes.

 

[GokutheG]

I don't think Griffin is a villain at all. He lacks confidence especially when it comes to his sister. I've know people like him who knows that someone they're close to is wrong but for some reason can't call them out on it especially if that person is a family member. I see him as someone who avoids confrontation whenever possible.

 

[GokutheG]

I'm also considering combining confidence and dominance/submission into one stat, so if your confidence goes down you'll at least become more submissive from it.

I hope this wouldn't mean the mc can't be confident in their football ability while also being a bottom/submissive sexually.

 

[Vim!]

I'll speak for myself.

Griffin, IMO, is truly an evil character and hypocrite. He's sympathetic to MC so long it doesn't cost him anything. For example, when trying to bail out on skill transference spell, Raven tries to force MC to still complete the spell. You'd think Griffin would help MC, but Griffin just stays there and doesn't do anything because it'd ultimately benefit him.

Griffin never strongly opposes Raven when three of them are together but then when alone with MC, Griffin floods them crocodile tears.

EDIT: Just to be clear I don't want him/his personality changed. Every story needs a good villain. This brother-sister duo are quite comical. Raven is more immature than evil though. But Griffin just shines.

Griffin’s personality is kinda bland compare to other characters like Jessica or Raven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I think Griffin is supposed to be a character that are kind, hard working but lack confidence, and as he slowly getting good, he become more confident and eventually become a star in the school. But in the early game, player just didn’t really see that he interact with MC beside practicing, fought for the quarterback spot or support MC during the transformation. Even after they start dating, he sometimes just disappears if you don’t go to the lake with him.

This makes their relationship feel a little bit too rush to me. I mean MC and Griffin are barely even friend from the start, but after MC is forced to practice with him a couple times because of the curse, MC start to fall for him and sucking him in the dorm? at the time MC hasn’t even transformed that much yet.

Maybe MC and Griffin can become close friend first. And when MC becomes more and more feminine to a certain point then they start to attract each other.(but there are lots of trasformation points in Griffin's path, maybe it is hard to transform enough without doing those intimate scene with Griffin)
Also Griffin start seeing Morgan right after he ask MC to break up with Jessica? this part is kinda weird.

Sorry if I sound like complaining, this game is overall the best game I’ve ever played on this site, the story is very very good, thanks for the great work!

I agree with most of this, but don't consider Griffin as much of a villain as Raven (also speaking just for myself, obv.). She's the one who actively harms the MC, he's just a spineless hypocrite perfectly content to reap the rewards from her abuse, mouthing comforting platitudes to keep his conscience clean.

Raven is the clear antagonist and needs to be tackled somehow. Griffin is just a parasite, beneath the MC's notice. You might step on him, but not in your best shoes.

I don't think Griffin is a villain at all. He lacks confidence especially when it comes to his sister. I've know people like him who knows that someone they're close to is wrong but for some reason can't call them out on it especially if that person is a family member. I see him as someone who avoids confrontation whenever possible.

Thank you for the answers!

I tried to have Griffin stand up to Raven: she wanted to curse you again after she realized you could win the championship on your own but Griffin shut her down. And if you transfer your skills to him and he wins the championship, he'll offer to give you your skills back but you refuse.

I hope this wouldn't mean the mc can't be confident in their football ability while also being a bottom/submissive sexually.

Yeah, I guess it would. You can still be good at football with a negative confidence stat though.

 

[gregers]

I hope this wouldn't mean the mc can't be confident in their football ability while also being a bottom/submissive sexually.

I guess the dev may want to limit the variants, but other than that there's no good reason why the MC couldn't be both a confident football player and enthusiastic submissive, as long as they're keeping what happens on the field and in the bedroom separate.

(The opposite combination, a low confidence dominant, might make less sense.)

 

[Vessantia]

Thank you for the answers!

I tried to have Griffin stand up to Raven: she wanted to curse you again after she realized you could win the championship on your own but Griffin shut her down. And if you transfer your skills to him and he wins the championship, he'll offer to give you your skills back but you refuse.

Yeah, I guess it would. You can still be good at football with a negative confidence stat though.

But what if you deliberately try to not win the championship at all?

 

[shadesnake]

I tried to have Griffin stand up to Raven: she wanted to curse you again after she realized you could win the championship on your own but Griffin shut her down. And if you transfer your skills to him and he wins the championship, he'll offer to give you your skills back but you refuse.

How many times have I noticed how Raven is not a good person. In general, it is strange to consider her as a love interest, even Griffin is much better.

By the way, I have been tormented for a long time by the fact that having lost height you physically cannot win in American football. Yes, short people are generally slower, but it is not a fact, and the influence of the female body is also, but it seems that there is only a 10% difference, but being a first-class runner, the player should at least win runs. I understand that there is no way to win power, but running should be possible. Why am I saying this. In one of the roleplays in your game, I set myself such conditions that I would try to win despite collecting all the changes, it was interesting that having put in all my efforts and still lost, I just had to give up. Which was depressing

 

[GokutheG]

I really like Raven as a character. It's rare to have a LI who starts by being an antagonist. This dynamic with the mc is very refreshing. Her relationship with her brother is also interesting especially with there opposite personalities.

 

[sofig]

I'll speak for myself.

Griffin, IMO, is truly an evil character and hypocrite. He's sympathetic to MC so long it doesn't cost him anything. For example, when trying to bail out on skill transference spell, Raven tries to force MC to still complete the spell. You'd think Griffin would help MC, but Griffin just stays there and doesn't do anything because it'd ultimately benefit him.

Griffin never strongly opposes Raven when three of them are together but then when alone with MC, Griffin floods them crocodile tears.

EDIT: Just to be clear I don't want him/his personality changed. Every story needs a good villain. This brother-sister duo are quite comical. Raven is more immature than evil though. But Griffin just shines.

These are my thougts but I also would like to add a bit more.
At the begining of the game Griffin is a really really bad quaterback but Raven blames Corey. This is the dialogue in the showers before the curse:

"So, uh, how about the game?" you ask, trying to change the subject. "Pretty crazy, right? Did you see that last touchdown?"
"I saw you show up Griffin," she says.
"So that's my fault?"
"No. But think how it looks to anyone else. You give him the lead, he messes it up, and then you play the hero." Raven pauses. "I'm not saying Griffin should be the quarterback, but he deserves a shot. He works so much harder."
"So?" you snort. "Did you watch the game? If it wasn't for me, we would have lost."
One look at her face tells you that she doesn't see it that way.

But that's completely false, Griffin does not work hard at all. He only trains when you do it with him while you have to train every day somedays even twice or thrice to be a good quaterback and it's possible even with high feminization. And when you practice accuracy with him he gets mad when you don't agree with his idea:

"We're going to work on your accuracy," you tell him.
"Sounds good. Why don't we get a bunch of footballs and I can throw them to you all at once? Then we won't have to waste so much time chasing them."
"Uh, okay. And then what happens once you've thrown all of them?"
"You'll give them back to me and I'll throw them again."
"Hmm." You can't help but think that if you do that, then he'll get all the help from the practice, and you'll get nothing.
"Let's just throw the ball back and forth."
"What's wrong with my idea?"
"Uh," you say, trying to think of an excuse. "Let's just stick to the basics for now."
That was a bad excuse you think.
To your surprise, Griffin seems to accept it, since he jogs away from you. You grab a football and throw it to him.
The throw is deep enough, but slightly too far to the right. It bounces behind Griffin, and he has to go run and chase it.
Griffin catches up to the football, jogs back to where he was, and throws it back to you.
It's too high, and you turn around and chase it. Once you've retrieved it, you immediately lob it back to him.
You didn't bother to run back to where you stood before so you had a shorter throw. Even though you made that throw, this one is much harder, and predictably the ball doesn't get anywhere close to Griffin. He's forced to run over to it and throw it back to you.
That's how the rest of the practice goes: the two of you firing inaccurate passes to each other, and spending a lot of time chasing the football. Griffin doesn't seem to have gotten better, but you actually feel like your skills improved. Lobbing these passes, even if they were inaccurate, gave you some much-needed practice.
"That was a good practice, Griffin," you say after the two of you call it a day.
"Yeah, sure," he says, and disappears inside the locker room.
Is he mad at me?

If you check the stats they both improve Accuracy with this practice not just you, still he is mad and you lose relationship points with him and it's like that every single time. After some practices with him I just want to tell Griffin to fuck off and look some else to practice Accuracy, Ryan and Everett would be better to practice with as Griffin is just a backup.

Then there is Morgan, when you advance the romance with Griffin at some point he goes to the lake with Morgan. And he excuses himself saying that he and Courtney are not officialy dating, that's true but neither Raven nor Jessica do things like that on their routes. Clearly Morgan is only after Griffin to mess up with Courtney and he went along with that, so either he is too stupid to realize Morgan's intentions or he just didn't care but you had to break up with Jessica to progress the route.

 

[BurhanDanger]

Then there is Morgan, when you advance the romance with Griffin at some point he goes to the lake with Morgan. And he excuses himself saying that he and Courtney are not officialy dating, that's true but neither Raven nor Jessica do things like that on their routes. Clearly Morgan is only after Griffin to mess up with Courtney and he went along with that, so either he is too stupid to realize Morgan's intentions or he just didn't care but you had to break up with Jessica to progress the route.

Forgot about this part when I commented. What a true gentleman asshole. Strings you along to dump at the lake ditch. He keeps on hinting that one he likes doesn't like him back. If you give him chance then he looks for Morgan because he already have you in his palms.

But that's completely false, Griffin does not work hard at all. He only trains when you do it with him while you have to train every day somedays even twice or thrice to be a good quaterback and it's possible even with high feminization. And when you practice accuracy with him he gets mad when you don't agree with his idea:

"We're going to work on your accuracy," you tell him.
"Sounds good. Why don't we get a bunch of footballs and I can throw them to you all at once? Then we won't have to waste so much time chasing them."
"Uh, okay. And then what happens once you've thrown all of them?"
"You'll give them back to me and I'll throw them again."
"Hmm." You can't help but think that if you do that, then he'll get all the help from the practice, and you'll get nothing.
"Let's just throw the ball back and forth."
"What's wrong with my idea?"
"Uh," you say, trying to think of an excuse. "Let's just stick to the basics for now."
That was a bad excuse you think.
To your surprise, Griffin seems to accept it, since he jogs away from you. You grab a football and throw it to him.
The throw is deep enough, but slightly too far to the right. It bounces behind Griffin, and he has to go run and chase it.
Griffin catches up to the football, jogs back to where he was, and throws it back to you.
It's too high, and you turn around and chase it. Once you've retrieved it, you immediately lob it back to him.
You didn't bother to run back to where you stood before so you had a shorter throw. Even though you made that throw, this one is much harder, and predictably the ball doesn't get anywhere close to Griffin. He's forced to run over to it and throw it back to you.
That's how the rest of the practice goes: the two of you firing inaccurate passes to each other, and spending a lot of time chasing the football. Griffin doesn't seem to have gotten better, but you actually feel like your skills improved. Lobbing these passes, even if they were inaccurate, gave you some much-needed practice.
"That was a good practice, Griffin," you say after the two of you call it a day.
"Yeah, sure," he says, and disappears inside the locker room.
Is he mad at me?

If you check the stats they both improve Accuracy with this practice not just you, still he is mad and you lose relationship points with him and it's like that every single time.

So he's parroting whatever Raven is telling. It's almost as if he doesn't have his own thoughts. Raven doesn't want MC to practise because Griffin should be the (only) QB. (In her mind team probably has one QB, so if the QB gets injured, then adios team I guess). Griffin acts the same way when you practise with him. On the plus side you get to have some acquaintance with benefits time with him.


The one who directly benefits from your downfall isn't really the best choice for LI IMO. Griffin feels like toxic controlling bf type for whom world should revolve around. Granted some people might be into that

 

[RussianSissyAlice]

Well, if we go into psychoanalysis, I wanna participate too.
Raven and Griffin, a witch and a normal boy. I don't remember the information about their family or how long Raven was known as a witch to Griffin, but it's definitely long enough. So he has a sister who is able to do some incredible things, things that he could never repeat. That could either motivate you to try in different field or just kill any motivation to try. And I think we see the latter here.
We know that Raven loves her brother and is it possible that she already used her powers to help him or avenge him? Not on such big and obvious scale, obviously, but I'm sure that there are a lot of spells that could harm others indiscreetly. And Griffin would probably know that so we have another hit on his ego - his sister protects him, not the other way around.

And so we go to the current stage. Maybe in the past Griffin really wanted to be a QB (like I was mentioning, trying to succeed in different field). But that didn't result in success and he gave up on that. Griffin just deals with things by accepting it, as the only way that he used to. So he continues to play but not with much passion.
Raven, as protective sister, sees his unhappiness and unsatisfaction and soon finds out the reason for that. Of course it's not her or her brother's actions. It's the fault of other guy who is better then her brother so Griffin doesn't get enough spotlight. This guy is popular, has a popular girlfriend and that lifestile is opposite to unpopular Griffin or weird Raven. Of course guy like that gets it easy compared to Griffin who obviosly did all that he could.
And when spell is cast - they still act the same way. Raven tries to use the situation for her brother and Griffin just accepts situation, not even trying to go in any way against his sister. He doesn't train without us telling him to train - because he just does what is expected on him. And when he learns that he is becoming popular and that someone is interested in him - Griffin for the first time has power over others. And power corrupts. So he is making demands on us and starts meeting with Morgan on lake (just to prove himself that others need him, not the other way around).
So as the conclusion - I don't see a happy romantic life with Griffin. He is happy to have power in relationship and his sister will be on his side with her witchy spells and not taking responsibility for actions. And that could go ugly

 

[ffive]

Then there is Morgan, when you advance the romance with Griffin at some point he goes to the lake with Morgan. And he excuses himself saying that he and Courtney are not officialy dating, that's true but neither Raven nor Jessica do things like that on their routes. Clearly Morgan is only after Griffin to mess up with Courtney and he went along with that, so either he is too stupid to realize Morgan's intentions or he just didn't care but you had to break up with Jessica to progress the route.

To be fair, this is pretty realistic behavior, especially for a guy. So it's not that surprising he might act this way when the female ROs don't. It makes him both a realistic character and also a bit flawed instead of some sort of fictional ideal, and that's not a bad thing, imo.

It's much like Raven who is also clearly not a perfect character without any flaws. The nature of their flaws is different, but if you choose either of them as your partner, it's very much like in real life, when you are willing to be with a person despite their shortcomings. Rather than luck out (?) on getting on with someone who's absolutely perfect.

 

[shadesnake]

Well, if we go into psychoanalysis, I wanna participate too.
Raven and Griffin, a witch and a normal boy. I don't remember the information about their family or how long Raven was known as a witch to Griffin, but it's definitely long enough. So he has a sister who is able to do some incredible things, things that he could never repeat. That could either motivate you to try in different field or just kill any motivation to try. And I think we see the latter here.
We know that Raven loves her brother and is it possible that she already used her powers to help him or avenge him? Not on such big and obvious scale, obviously, but I'm sure that there are a lot of spells that could harm others indiscreetly. And Griffin would probably know that so we have another hit on his ego - his sister protects him, not the other way around.

And so we go to the current stage. Maybe in the past Griffin really wanted to be a QB (like I was mentioning, trying to succeed in different field). But that didn't result in success and he gave up on that. Griffin just deals with things by accepting it, as the only way that he used to. So he continues to play but not with much passion.
Raven, as protective sister, sees his unhappiness and unsatisfaction and soon finds out the reason for that. Of course it's not her or her brother's actions. It's the fault of other guy who is better then her brother so Griffin doesn't get enough spotlight. This guy is popular, has a popular girlfriend and that lifestile is opposite to unpopular Griffin or weird Raven. Of course guy like that gets it easy compared to Griffin who obviosly did all that he could.
And when spell is cast - they still act the same way. Raven tries to use the situation for her brother and Griffin just accepts situation, not even trying to go in any way against his sister. He doesn't train without us telling him to train - because he just does what is expected on him. And when he learns that he is becoming popular and that someone is interested in him - Griffin for the first time has power over others. And power corrupts. So he is making demands on us and starts meeting with Morgan on lake (just to prove himself that others need him, not the other way around).
So as the conclusion - I don't see a happy romantic life with Griffin. He is happy to have power in relationship and his sister will be on his side with her witchy spells and not taking responsibility for actions. And that could go ugly

So even though I forgave Raven, I wanted Raven to be blocked of her magic as punishment, because she basically ruined the main character's life. But if you're even slightly feminine, she gets away with it when she then pulls off her trick of forcing the main character to erase all memory about him or force him to transition.

 

[ElizabethArtemis]

I haven't played this for a few versions but I do want to add to the conversation about people's like/dislike of characters. I will also say that its been a while since I played (just coming back to it) so my memory may be a bit off.

I personally love how all the characters are written. I do like how there are characters who are nice to you when you are dating them and following their path, whist being toxic when on other paths.

I personally think that Jessica is clearly the best, since she is not only open from the start with the issues she has when dating a girl, but also if you do break up she is still your friend. She is my personal favourite path but the only thing I wish there was would be a 'Semi-open' path where you date Jessica but also have threesomes with her and other characters. I did wish that there was a scene in the Halloween event when she has the option to go with the other guy, that you could join them. (And a possible Thruple path). I haven't played in a few versions so maybe some of this has been implemented with the reality change.

I love that Griffin is so toxic when he gets the power. Like he starts out on the bottom and when he gets a taste of power it fully goes to his head. He doesn't respect women and is quite happy to cheat. And is only really interested and nice to you when he is trying to get something out of you. I love how he basically becomes the kind of guy (or even worse) who Raven thought Courtney was. And I would love to see in him hooking up with the other cheerleaders (and possibly even Jessica if she is single) even if he is dating Morgan (and even Courtney).

Regarding Raven, I think that she is just very misinformed about the world. She basically seems to have a bit of a 'women good, men bad' view of the world which she takes out on Courtney. The only guy she doens't hate is her brother which is basically since he is family so she kinda just doesn't see him as a threat like the others. And so I like how as you transform she basically becomes kinder to you as she sees you become part of 'her team'. I get she is the one who started the whole thing but I do think that it comes accross more of just an emotional moment she comes to regret rather than anything malicous.

Overall I think all the main paths are really good and I do always look forward to when I come back every few months to see how its all progressed

 

[totallynotasecretaccount]

I don’t think words are enough to describe how much I hate spending a lot of time into Griffin only to be completely cucked. I don’t even mind much having non-monogamous love interests in these games cuz duh they’re porn games but tfym this dude lost all interest in my character even after mc was nice to him, helped him train, didn’t scrutinize him after what his sister did to mc, AND broke up with his gf for griffin (WHICH HE ASKED FOR). LIKE HELL NAWWW, Griffin completely dropping mc by that point just felt so random that I was pissed.

I always play as a submissive bottom in these games but I hate him so much that I hope there was a way to feminize him or something and let him feel what it’s like to lose everything again. RAVEN DO SOMETHING TO HIM PLEASEEE

Edit: P.S. Today was my first time playing the game, so no, this is not really a reply to previous discussion abt Griffin cuz I’m new here lol

 

[LowLevelLesser]

I haven't played this for a few versions but I do want to add to the conversation about people's like/dislike of characters. I will also say that its been a while since I played (just coming back to it) so my memory may be a bit off.

I personally love how all the characters are written. I do like how there are characters who are nice to you when you are dating them and following their path, whist being toxic when on other paths.

I personally think that Jessica is clearly the best, since she is not only open from the start with the issues she has when dating a girl, but also if you do break up she is still your friend. She is my personal favourite path but the only thing I wish there was would be a 'Semi-open' path where you date Jessica but also have threesomes with her and other characters. I did wish that there was a scene in the Halloween event when she has the option to go with the other guy, that you could join them. (And a possible Thruple path). I haven't played in a few versions so maybe some of this has been implemented with the reality change.

I love that Griffin is so toxic when he gets the power. Like he starts out on the bottom and when he gets a taste of power it fully goes to his head. He doesn't respect women and is quite happy to cheat. And is only really interested and nice to you when he is trying to get something out of you. I love how he basically becomes the kind of guy (or even worse) who Raven thought Courtney was. And I would love to see in him hooking up with the other cheerleaders (and possibly even Jessica if she is single) even if he is dating Morgan (and even Courtney).

Regarding Raven, I think that she is just very misinformed about the world. She basically seems to have a bit of a 'women good, men bad' view of the world which she takes out on Courtney. The only guy she doens't hate is her brother which is basically since he is family so she kinda just doesn't see him as a threat like the others. And so I like how as you transform she basically becomes kinder to you as she sees you become part of 'her team'. I get she is the one who started the whole thing but I do think that it comes accross more of just an emotional moment she comes to regret rather than anything malicous.

Overall I think all the main paths are really good and I do always look forward to when I come back every few months to see how its all progressed

I think all the characters are meant to be a "you can't judge a book by its cover" kinda thing. None of the main cast are one dimensional.

 

[LowLevelLesser]

I don’t think words are enough to describe how much I hate spending a lot of time into Griffin only to be completely cucked. I don’t even mind much having non-monogamous love interests in these games cuz duh they’re porn games but tfym this dude lost all interest in my character even after mc was nice to him, helped him train, didn’t scrutinize him after what his sister did to mc, AND broke up with his gf for griffin (WHICH HE ASKED FOR). LIKE HELL NAWWW, Griffin completely dropping mc by that point just felt so random that I was pissed.

I always play as a submissive bottom in these games but I hate him so much that I hope there was a way to feminize him or something and let him feel what it’s like to lose everything again. RAVEN DO SOMETHING TO HIM PLEASEEE

Edit: P.S. Today was my first time playing the game, so no, this is not really a reply to previous discussion abt Griffin cuz I’m new here lol

Raven's behavior is the opposite in that regard. If you treat her like an enemy, she'll never regret her actions or feel bad for you and simply won't care. If you treat her well despite what she's done, she'll come to feel guilty and regret cursing you. If you turn down her growing feelings for the MC, she painfully understands that she deserves the rejection but will remain friends and help you out regardless.

 

[genfetish]

I would love to see Griffin's confidence stat be more manipulable, and it be possible to make him overconfident. I'd love to see Griffin be a bit of a jerk if the player is just trying to be a slut, and take advantage of them (though not without plenty of obvious intentional missteps, and some intentional corruption). It could also backfire if he's overconfident, but not skilled, and see more character growth for him. He could also be humble and skilled, if he's underconfident.


I think generally having more ways for his personality to grow in different ways would help make him an interesting character.