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AfaIk :
Jessica is very loyal to mc. She will stay with mc regardless of his sex/gender unless mc actively starts to date other NPCs.

Having Jessica join the witch club allows mc to learn more about witchcraft.
See Jessica as your spy. If you oppose Raven, learn about witchcraft to know your enemy.
 
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I should stress that I haven't played through that line, so just giving you my thoughts at the time: On a path where the MC is not embracing Raven's shittery but trying to resist her abuse, encouraging his girlfriend to join Raven's group seemed like a path destined for failure, and an excellent way to lose his girl and get buried even deeper in the shit.
I remember there was an earlier version of the game where letting Jessica join the witches led to MC getting cucked by Marco. I guess Vim! found it too harsh for the story and took it out. I think the, "Jessica can do what she wants" line when her and Marco get together is leftover from that version.
 
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I remember there was an earlier version of the game where letting Jessica join the witches led to MC getting cucked by Marco. I guess Vim! found it too harsh for the story and took it out. I think the, "Jessica can do what she wants" line when her and Marco get together is leftover from that version.
Isn't it possible to share Jessica with Marco while retaining her as loyal girlfriend? Does that happen as an "open relationship" (meaning Jessica will be free too have sex with Marco any time she wants) or will you always be able to decide whether or not to let them do it?
 

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Isn't it possible to share Jessica with Marco while retaining her as loyal girlfriend? Does that happen as an "open relationship" (meaning Jessica will be free too have sex with Marco any time she wants) or will you always be able to decide whether or not to let them do it?
What's new in 1.7.0:
  • Added a repeatable threesome scene with Jessica and Marco
 
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I saw that update a while back, but Marco's scenes are older than that, aren't they? What I'm asking is if, in addition to that repeatable scene where the MC participates, other scenes between them feel cuckish, if Jessica will have a steady thing rolling with Marco where she might sometimes not want to do it with the MC because she's going to him instead. Or if there will be a time and day of the week where Jessica will be unavailable because she's with Marco (whether or not you can spy on them). I prefer it when sharing is "in addition to" their normal relationship, meaning extra scenes, optional and no replacement of couple sexy time, no "bull" vibes. But I'm just asking, if Marco's arc is designed to bring a cuckold element to the game I know I can avoid it.
 

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For me resistance is the only path that makes sense. And actively avoiding Raven and yeah, most content. Masculinity 100, QB skill 86/95. Hope that's enough to win the championship. And hope that after I transform back I'll get to punish Raven and Griffin, I hate them both.

In other words, imho it's a bad transformation game, the premise is too extreme. I like most other highly rated tf games, but I just cannot accept what Raven did to the MC and how unapologetic she is. And Griffin is no help either, he turns into an asshole as well as the story progresses.
The inciting incident often is the weakest part of them. With this one in particular she's just being 100% petty and then tries to play it off like it's not her problem while also begging him not to tell her friends that she's a lot more clueless about magic than she lets on - which is a very believable teenage girl move to be sure, but it puts her in a bad enough light that you'd be justified in not wanting to interact with her ever again as a player. The PC's girlfriend is right in saying that she went straight to blackmail and excuses without much of any attempt to apologize or reconcile. It's especially bitchy of her if the only thing the PC did to set her off was not believe her about the whole magic thing.

I do like the idea of her character -because- it seems like there'd be good potential for both a sweet reconciliation arc and one where the PC playfully bullies and embarrasses her about screwing up so badly and blatantly thinking that magic lets her do anything she wants with no consequences, but it seems like she just ignores you unless you give into her blackmail or try to become a witch? And yeah, her brother starts out seeming pretty cool, but then he comes off like he's trying to force the PC into being a girl so that he doesn't feel weird about fucking him and that, while being a total teenage boy move, destroys all the goodwill he built up.

And because the premise for this one is so extreme I just don't believe that the character has any reason to feel anything other than crazy dysphoria. The 'girl thoughts' come off as these weird foreign invaders that are being forced into his head by the spell - or else some other character taking a weird action, like his girlfriend kinda randomly asking why you didn't dress him up as a girl during the halloween party. It's kind of a lingering problem in transformation games that originate on TFGS; forced/coerced changes are one of those devices that have been around so long in their games that sometimes the writers don't put enough self-exploration in there to make it believable for the actual character to accept any of this - or if they do it's really silly. Like trust me, panties do not make it easier to use tampons lmao. Please get this boy a pad.

but sometimes the game is -so- silly about it that it's fun. I laughed way too hard the first time I chose to use the leg machine after working out and the game went "GAAAAAAY!". Or during the period scene when it was described as just spurting out like a horror movie. Or the substitute spanish teacher getting the students so horny that they all ran off to fuck. If the tone was always that silly I think it could work, but for the most part the PC just seems terrified and anxious because a poorly-phrased magic spell is trying to gaslight him into acting like a girl.
 

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but sometimes the game is -so- silly about it that it's fun. I laughed way too hard the first time I chose to use the leg machine after working out and the game went "GAAAAAAY!". Or during the period scene when it was described as just spurting out like a horror movie. Or the substitute spanish teacher getting the students so horny that they all ran off to fuck. If the tone was always that silly I think it could work, but for the most part the PC just seems terrified and anxious because a poorly-phrased magic spell is trying to gaslight him into acting like a girl.
If you find this game silly in some plot points you must play almost all the other sissification games. This is a masterpiece in comparison and even not in comparison lol.
 

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I saw that update a while back, but Marco's scenes are older than that, aren't they? What I'm asking is if, in addition to that repeatable scene where the MC participates, other scenes between them feel cuckish, if Jessica will have a steady thing rolling with Marco where she might sometimes not want to do it with the MC because she's going to him instead.
I liked the Marco/cuck route, when it existed. It was traditional NTR with the girlfriend fucking another guy to help her boyfriend. Originally, the game had more kink to it.

But I think the way Vim has pursued the story is more subversive. It's, almost painfully, Vanilla. Girly cheerleaders with pom poms, muscular football players, who is asking who out to the dance, going steady, etc. But it's all wrapped up in a gender-bending package. Yet technically nothing gay happens at all, especially if you come from the transphobic, biology is destiny POV. In order for it to feel even slightly homo you have to accept the notion that a person's psychological gender can be different than their physical gender.
 
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I liked the Marco/cuck route, when it existed. It was traditional NTR with the girlfriend fucking another guy to help her boyfriend. Originally, the game had more kink to it.

But I think the way Vim has pursued the story is more subversive. It's, almost painfully, Vanilla. Girly cheerleaders with pom poms, muscular football players, who is asking who out to the dance, going steady, etc. But it's all wrapped up in a gender-bending package. Yet technically nothing gay happens at all, especially if you come from the transphobic, biology is destiny POV. In order for it to feel even slightly homo you have to accept the notion that a person's psychological gender can be different than their physical gender.
Unlike the other poster, I didn't have any qualms with the gay stuff, other than (1) there wasn't sufficient motivation for me to pursue the Griffin route (I'm not a keen female protagonist player, can't relate to romance with, and attraction to males) and (2) it used to be impossible to combine with retaining Jessica as girlfriend (not sure how it is, now).
 

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If you find this game silly in some plot points you must play almost all the other sissification games. This is a masterpiece in comparison and even not in comparison lol.
I was saying that it would probably be easier to just go with the premise and not think too hard about the character's mindset if the whole game was sillier about it. This one definitely has a big gap between what the character wants and what many of the players want and that's the general character of the weakness the genre has as a whole.

When there's an actual voice in the character's head telling him that he has to WEAR PANTIES because he's having PERIODS it just makes me want to protect my little football vagina boy.
 

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I was saying that it would probably be easier to just go with the premise and not think too hard about the character's mindset if the whole game was sillier about it. This one definitely has a big gap between what the character wants and what many of the players want and that's the general character of the weakness the genre has as a whole.

When there's an actual voice in the character's head telling him that he has to WEAR PANTIES because he's having PERIODS it just makes me want to protect my little football vagina boy.
I get your point and i believe (at least is what i do) that you must apply a little suspension of disbelief when you play this genre. I.E. i don't think the totality of the sissy population is dragged in by blackmail as a lot of games says.On the other hand a friend of mine that now is trans started doing the drag queen, option never used on said games.
 

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I do realize that I'm in the minority of the minority demos for these games and that's where some of the disconnect with forced premises comes from, that to a significant portion of the people playing being bent and broken and remade by the circumstances even if you're kicking and screaming is the whole point.

Mostly I like dressing boys in cute clothes and making them feel funny, not bad, and in this game the PC really seems to feel bad about it except when the spell forces him to like something.

but there are a lot of scenes I do like, too. The one where the PC and his girlfriend hang out and bond over having their period at the same time was cute af. Boys getting embarrassed about their menses might have a w a k e n e d something in me.
 
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And because the premise for this one is so extreme I just don't believe that the character has any reason to feel anything other than crazy dysphoria.
Honestly, not only are people capable of getting used to/normalizing the wildest shit, but it's also perfectly possible for someone like MC to have trans inclinations in the first place that they weren't really aware of until shit hit the fan and they've started getting first-hand experience with it. Dysphoria, while perfectly understandable, really isn't the only viable option.
 

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Honestly, not only are people capable of getting used to/normalizing the wildest shit, but it's also perfectly possible for someone like MC to have trans inclinations in the first place that they weren't really aware of until shit hit the fan and they've started getting first-hand experience with it. Dysphoria, while perfectly understandable, really isn't the only viable option.
If i understand,i think he is pissed because is almost always a forced process and i can relate on some extent.On that matter i think using magic instead of blackmail or some other shit is already better but yeah i also undertand that very few people will play a game where all is good and nice,it's like the corruption in female protagonist games.
 
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That would be a way to write it, I just don't feel like that comes through here because it's phrased as a magical compulsion. I think the premise is a really fresh take on it because it goes in reverse order from a lot of them, but then it kinda fumbles a bit in making the brother/sister pair a little too selfish and coercive.

What I would have done is really for real make the spell end after three days, but if the PC tries some things on his own and wants to know what he'd look like if the rest of his appearance was more feminine, then he could go to the witch girl and ask her.
 
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On that matter i think using magic instead of blackmail or some other shit is already better but yeah i also undertand that very few people will play a game where all is good and nice,it's like the corruption in female protagonist games.
lmao yes I also play those thinking "no I don't want her to get raped, we are pals and I want her to win!!".
 

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Will we ever be able to have sex with Griffin when he's still just helping you out, or will it just be an option but the MC will just back out at the last second forever (basically an option to just tease the player), if both your arousal is high enough it could just slip in from rubbing on his dick anyways and you can just have a choice to either go with it or panick and pull out.

Same for the Halloween party, not a fan of only the blowjob option.
You can have sex with Griffin right now! You just need to go on a date with him.
Yeah, like the trooper above said, a resistance path is possible (except for the initial transformation, which is the game's inciting incident and needed for the story), but it's the path that has the least interest from the dev's paying supporters and therefore tends to come last in the list of priorities.

For now most developments have been on the "reality change" and "trans" story lines and avoiding those mostly serves to cut you off from content, but maybe some fine day we'll get a developed story of the MC trying to resist and maintain his masculinity and prowess against Raven's efforts.
Yep. It's totally possible to not transform and focus on football, and you'll still be a manly-looking star quarterback. If you do that, you're going to miss most of the content though lol
I found a bug in the trans path. I'm still the quaterback but I have to wear the cheerleader uniform on Friday despite not having it, fortunately it appeared in my inventory so I could continue playing.

Also the Winter Ball events don't happen in this route. can you become Winter Queen despite being the quaterback if you're femenine enough or is it only available for the cheerleding path?
Thanks for the bug report and thanks for including a save! This has been fixed!
there's a point where Raven is being investigated about using such a powerful curse on you by the Council of witches or something and the one investigating ask you explicictly if you want Raven stripped by her magic.
Yeah, if you're too obvious about your transformation, Raven will get investigated by Ms. Winter. She has the ability to take away her powers, but Raven actually losing her powers hasn't been written into the game yet.
Good evening, so I'm here to report a recurring and really annoying problem, with no logic. When I do a "quick start," I only have supposedly 21 transformations.
Except that no matter how many I select, even just one, it annoys me by telling me: You can only have 21 transformations through the Quickstart feature, but you have 29. Please redo your selections.
So I don't know what this bug is, but it's annoying and painful, but what's the point of doing a useless "quickstart"?
I tested the Quickstart and I didn't get that bug. Would you be able to send me a save?
AfaIk :
It is impossible to rationally explain mc's spontaneous M2F transformation to the other people at the school. So there are 2 options :
- Reality change turns mc into a female and changes the mind of most people so that only a few persons know that mc was a boy before. It's magic.
- Trans path is a more rational cover-up. If mc transforms into a female, then he must be transitioning. Teachers notice the transformation. The path includes support by teachers and psychologist, everybody knows that mc is transitioning, ... so dialogs will be different. If you want to roleplay a real life M2F transition (eg using hormones etc), use this path.
Yeah exactly. It's how you explain away your changes to everyone at Pinewood. Either changing their memories or telling them you're transitioning.
Why does the logo look kind of like Australia's getting covered in honey
I have no idea lmao. YTLAG doesn't have a logo so I guess the mods picked one for me lol
I saw that update a while back, but Marco's scenes are older than that, aren't they? What I'm asking is if, in addition to that repeatable scene where the MC participates, other scenes between them feel cuckish, if Jessica will have a steady thing rolling with Marco where she might sometimes not want to do it with the MC because she's going to him instead. Or if there will be a time and day of the week where Jessica will be unavailable because she's with Marco (whether or not you can spy on them). I prefer it when sharing is "in addition to" their normal relationship, meaning extra scenes, optional and no replacement of couple sexy time, no "bull" vibes. But I'm just asking, if Marco's arc is designed to bring a cuckold element to the game I know I can avoid it.
There's only one scene like that, where Jessica is busy with Marco when you go to hang out with her. And that scene is there to set up the possibility of a threesome (and you had to have opened up the relationship first). Otherwise, Jessica won't ditch you to see Marco, she'll just be seeing him offscreen.
And because the premise for this one is so extreme I just don't believe that the character has any reason to feel anything other than crazy dysphoria. The 'girl thoughts' come off as these weird foreign invaders that are being forced into his head by the spell - or else some other character taking a weird action, like his girlfriend kinda randomly asking why you didn't dress him up as a girl during the halloween party. It's kind of a lingering problem in transformation games that originate on TFGS; forced/coerced changes are one of those devices that have been around so long in their games that sometimes the writers don't put enough self-exploration in there to make it believable for the actual character to accept any of this - or if they do it's really silly. Like trust me, panties do not make it easier to use tampons lmao. Please get this boy a pad.

but sometimes the game is -so- silly about it that it's fun. I laughed way too hard the first time I chose to use the leg machine after working out and the game went "GAAAAAAY!". Or during the period scene when it was described as just spurting out like a horror movie. Or the substitute spanish teacher getting the students so horny that they all ran off to fuck. If the tone was always that silly I think it could work, but for the most part the PC just seems terrified and anxious because a poorly-phrased magic spell is trying to gaslight him into acting like a girl.
Like fairlight said, you have to suspend your disbelief in these games. Obviously there aren't any witches and many of the things driving the MC of both this game and of other TF games into feminization wouldn't actually happen that way if it was real life.

As for why the MC accepts it so easily, it's hinted in the game that she's actually a trans woman. She just never realized it until she got cursed because she was a popular, muscular quarterback who never had any reason to question her gender.
 

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Just wanted to point out :
In this game mc starts where in other games he usually would end.

You're the star quarterback, the homecoming king, and you're dating the hottest girl in school.
Life is good...or it was, until you got yourself cursed by a witch.
In many male protagonist games the mc is the new kid in town/school/team, starts with nothing, works hard, progresses ... and at the end of the game he is the successful star with a harem or romance of his choice.
Best compare it with mountain climbing where the mc starts at groundlevel and ends at the highest point of the mountain with the best view on the world below.

In Ytlag the mc starts at this kind of "highest" point, the peak of his masculinity and success ... and once the curse is cast the mc's masculinity goes downhill ... the player is in for a rollercoaster ride from masculinity to femininity.
Trying to stay on the peak is like buying a ticket for a rollercoaster and then skipping the ride.
Those players complaining do not realize that this is not a mountain climbing game.


I haven't played for some updates but I always had the feeling that the "curse" itself at start was an unreasonable act by Raven. If for example Raven had cursed her panties* with a feminity spell and mc had stolen those panties during the panty raid, then mc would be to blame, too, especially if she had warned him before. This would avoid turning Raven into the "villain" for many players early on. Since this game is about dealing with the curse, the curse itself cannot be optional, so it has to happen in a "kinetic" passage of the story, maybe in retrospect.
(*mc being feminized by magic panties is a stereotype used in many M2F games, so use this with caution.)
 
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