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The very first thing the description says they lost their husbands. No dads in the picture here. Just two sons mutually agreeing to fuck each others' moms. No cucking or ntr involved.
Ah, ok. "dad is the one being cucked here" implied otherwise.
Regardless, to be on topic, this game objectively shouldn't have the ntr tag. At best, I guess you could consider it swinging.
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ah yes, the game where the two best friends are sexually attracted to their mothers and decide to plan to swap only to find out that their own birth-mothers are attracting them more and they get jealous enough to commit incest.
Hmm, different people have different opinions on this matter. Some people consider stealing women that wasn't meant to be yours NTR, where you usually play as a jerk with manipulative skills and you don't get to experience husband's/cuck's feelings. But some people consider it NTR, where you play as someone who looses his women, either shares her or completely looses her, in which case you as player has to feel despair and frustration because you can't do nothing but watch. The short term confuses everyone. To me it is simply, you feel like cucked while playing, even if there is nothing remotely like swinging or sharing or other stuff, it is definitely NTR/CUCKOLD. Again if you are going to steal a girl whom someone in game is married or wants to marry or just has secret crush ON, anyway IN SHORT since as a player you crush another man's dreams, it is NTR/JERK.
Okay, but none of what you said applies to this game. There's no loss, desperation, stealing, or feeling of cucking.
Swinging on the other hand, while usually reserved for partner swapping, is about the closest you can get to mom swapping.
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Hi guys.
Getting straight to the point. VNDB says the game has "multiple endings".
Can someone tell me if there's a path that doesn't end in sharing and NTR? Although looking at the tags on VNDB, there aren't any regarding NTR. But I'm not interested in sharing anyway.
So my question is: From which point of view is the game played? Is there just one protagonist, or are there both protagonists? Can you choose just one path that will lead only one of them to fuck his own mother or to get both women? Or does the game still force you to see sharing? I ask because I see multiple endings written. Generally, in this Jap game through decisions, you can accept or avoid all of this. Otherwise for me there's no point in downloading the game. I'm only interested in one path.
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Getting straight to the point. VNDB says the game has "multiple endings".
Can someone tell me if there's a path that doesn't end in sharing and NTR? Although looking at the tags on VNDB, there aren't any regarding NTR. But I'm not interested in sharing anyway.
So my question is: From which point of view is the game played? Is there just one protagonist, or are there both protagonists? Can you choose just one path that will lead only one of them to fuck his own mother or to get both women? Or does the game still force you to see sharing? I ask because I see multiple endings written. Generally, in this Jap game through decisions, you can accept or avoid all of this. Otherwise for me there's no point in downloading the game. I'm only interested in one path.
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Dude, it ain't about characters' feelings when it comes to game being NTR/cuckold or not. It is all about you as player. If you as player experienced as if you were getting cucked, then it is definitely NTR/cuck game. I haven't played the game so I don't know how it feels, as you can see NTR/cuckold tag heavily depends on player himself , not what is going on in the game. Question is, if only 10% of players felt like getting cucked, should we name game NTR/cuck or not?
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Single protagonist.
The protagonist likes his friend's mom, his friend likes the protagonist's mom. They agree to wingman for each other and share pics/videos. There is no route where only the protagonist gets some. In most paths, after watching the other pair fuck, they agree to share.
This isn't the game for you if you are not ok with sharing.
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The player isn't getting cucked any more than the characters in the game are.
A player's feelings or opinions don't change the established definition of the genre. NTR is defined by character relationships.
I could feel terrified of a birthday clown in a comedy movie, but that doesn't mean that the film should be classified as a horror just because some people have a fear of clowns. It's still just a comedy.
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Full save as always, or is it? Try and see what happens, I just pasted the folder from documents.
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If the core of NTR is someone who "belongs" to someone (whether that be girlfriend, sibling, parent, childhood friend, or even just unrequited crush) being "taken" by someone else, then arguably your dad boning your mom isn't NTR because his claim on her predates yours (and your literal existence). You can NTR him, but he's not NTRing you (unless, theoretically speaking, something happens in the story where he "forfeits" his claim and your mother promises herself to you, but he still comes back to "steal her back").
But that would be one of the few exceptions, because almost every other possible combination (even siblings) involves the protagonist having "first claim" on the chosen love interest. Scenarios where the other guy "got their first" (even before the protagonist knew they were interested) like a teacher having a fiance or an aunt being married, etc, might not be NTR theoretically, but can still generate NTR-esque feelings in the protagonist (which usually becomes the fuel for netori stories).
People can quibble over the validity of whether or not someone has a "claim" on the person in the first place (ie, does your childhood friend or childhood crush "belong" to you if you never actually entered a romantic relationship with them?), but generally speaking stories tend to assume that the protagonist's perspective is correct - so if they feel as if their mother/sister/childhood friend, etc. "belongs" to them, then they do. At least for purposes of the main character feeling cucked.
What makes it more complicated is that, when you're talking about a game where the player gets to make choices, the "protagonist" isn't necessarily the main character as much as it is the player themselves. So even if you write the story to make the main character completely fine with the idea of a dozen other guys gangbanging his mom, that doesn't mean the player is going to be okay with it.
Which is what I think is at the root of most NTR hate on the site - if a game is going to force the player to pimp out their love interest or get cucked without giving the player any ability to say no or stop it, then there will almost certainly be a significant backlash. It doesn't really matter if the main character gives permission for swinging or sharing or prostitution or whatever if the player doesn't.
There's an argument to be made that a game that expects the player to identify with the main character (mainly by showing their pov, but also by asking the player to make choices for them), and then forces the player to watch other characters fuck without the player giving approval is triggering the same sort of feelings as NTR (at least for some players).
That's why, essentially, when most people on this site say "I hate NTR!", what they're really saying is "I hate not being given a choice!" Games that allow the player to completely avoid those sorts of scenes (avoid, not just "skip") tend to do much better than ones that basically go "The character is okay with it, so shut up."
That being said, the point where the player got to make that choice in THIS game was when they decided to play "Mom Swap: The Game" in the first place. So it's hard to feel bad for someone who gets halfway in and is annoying to see two dudes fucking each other's moms. It's sort of the entire point.
But games where the NTR-ish content isn't the main focus, and is "hidden" somewhere towards the middle of the game is far more likely to stir up an angry reaction from people who feel like they've been betrayed, or had player agency taken away from them.
To bring it back to the first part of this post, there's a difference between knowing that your dad is fucking your mom, and being forced to watch your dad fucking your mom.