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Yes we don't have a date but he does intend to.
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No way! I personally enjoyed ZR 1 more. ZR2 is nice but for some reason it doesn't quite get it.
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I think the character designs did me in. I prefer the Legacy version of ZR1, While Scarlett's art is changing/improving .
It lost some of it's charm imo. and ZR2 never had any of the characters done in the "legacy art" style... So I never saw the original concept, and all the characters look more like carbon copies of one another. (Not saying Scarlett did like a dress up doll or anything. I just feel there is less variation in the characters bodies. Like every woman in ZR2 is a G + cup, small back, smaller butt. It's not bad, just not as "fun" as the OG ZR1 designs.)
Also our ZR2 MC is, a little too? Uh... That Sasuske drawing is what pops into my head. Is the best way I can describe it.
I think the ZR2 is better, if you look at the chin, is a little less pointy, and somehow they look a little bit more real than in ZR1. And it looks a less flat than Town of Passion.
Doesn't mean I didn't love the graphics of town of passion and ZR1, and the game play. I cannot say about the game play of ZR2, it's still not really finished, of course the idea is the same, the originality is a little bit gone, maybe that's why ZR1's gameplay was found better??
Suppose it's my fault for trying to reason with a hardcore shill of Siren games. Or you work for them, idfk.
He's certainly not so transparent about it like say, Milfy City dev. But adding a random character and slapping an above mentioned template on it IS very much reducing your workload and pretending like it takes a long time to make. That way you don't have to develop existing characters and their relationships between each other but just make a new one and have them repeat what every other character did before them.
Stacy in ZR2 having a new spot where you can have sex with her isn't actually anything new, it's the exact same copy pasted shit.
Pool Party in ZR1 was beyond disappointing and at least I see people pointing that out as well.
House Chores recent update was literally 1 fucking scene and an outfit.
Not to mention all these bitches look the same. Slap a new hair and an outfit and you've got a brand new character. Wow!
The fact that anyone would make excuses for Siren really annoys me. Why do you people refuse to see what's so obvious? Are you all donors and lie to yourselves? Every single fucking dev in this business is purposely delaying the work they could release sooner. I wouldn't mind if the content wasn't fucking trash.
Think I'm fight a losing battle by ranting on a porn site tho. I see people defend Summertime Saga dev as well. That guy is without a doubt, the king of doing fuck all and still be on top.
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Wait Shitcestor is transparent?... I mean if you look at his work ethos it's transparent as in none existent but that's a different story.
That aside you keep assuming that you already know the whole story while it didn't even really begun.
Based on your current definition any game with more than one Love Interest must be swallow because development time must be shared between each, and obviously you won't find a girl fucking MCs brain out after kissing him for the first time unless she is a nymphomanian slut, so such a game will also follow the template of slowly corrupting the couple into ever more depraved sex acts... it's a consiparcy by all devs on the net than I suppose.
Yeah that's the limitation that comes with useing Scarlett Ann as lead artist as was pointed out before.
Because it's obvious in your head but not so obvious in reality as it's obvious for the rest of us that you have prejudices... why can't you see that I wonder?
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Just ignore the game and Siren's other games and move on, it's impossible to have the perfect opinion people will always clash with it even if its “Right” or “Wrong”
Edit: I was dumb as shit and forgot to add a word.
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At the end of the day your evidence of "scamming/milking" is just complaints about the games. Which is fine. You are free to think that any game is hot garbage for whatever reason you want. However if you are claiming that a dev is being malicious or intentionally holding back the game, then you need to have something stronger than complaints about character development, or an update didn't have the content I wanted.
This is more a critique of ScarlettAnn than Siren.
You ever stop and think that maybe every dev isn't trying to delay or hold back there games on purpose. There is no grand conspiracy by devs to not release there games as quickly as possible. Are there devs that do try and milk/scam there followers? Of course there are. Are the majority of devs trying to do this. I feel very confident in saying no.
Think of it this way. Say you heard that the food in (insert country of choice) country is really good. You go to a restaurant and try the food, but don't like it for one reason or another. Does that mean that the restaurant is trying to scam people? No of course not. You try other restaurants and you don't really like them either. Does that mean that every restaurant in (insert country of choice) is intentionally making poor food? No that would be crazy to think wouldn't it.
My point is that you are free to dislike any game or dev for what ever reason you want. But that doesn't mean that they are trying to mislead, scam, or milk fans.
I hear ya brother. I have the same issue with the game. Every character seems too similar and there's no variation to body sizes, busts, or defining attributes indicative of common features among races. It's hard to have a favorite character if everyone of them looks the same with just different hair/skin color. If everyone is built like a milf but not all girl's are milfs then it just rubs me the wrong way.
ZR characters in a nutshell:
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Don't get me wrong, Scarlett's art has evolved and is good, it just feels really "streamlined for efficiency", like IDK if you saw her work in the other games she's dropped from like "Prince of Suburbia, and On Edge" because of work load... Idk what she's doing for her Pateron, I feel somewhere on the art end seems to be dropping the bag, because the new art for "PoS" is really good, while missing Scarlett's 2D charm tho... They churned out all new renders that were inspired by the original characters. and that was in 4 months, while the creatorhad rewritten the whole dang story.
I hope there will be more editing to our ZR2 cast as the game continues. Maybe some constructive criticism may return us to more unique characters? Don't get me wrong love me some tig ol bitties, but... I wants some more variety.
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While I love ZR as a game, I do agree with criticism above, kinda hard to get into 9/10 characters having exact same physique with 130cm busr size. I like tig ol bitties, but id like to have a girl with a 90 cm bust, another with 100, another with the big bra busters we have, not just literally every girl being Hitomi Tanaka lol.
Again, it's an issue with the artist, not the dev. If you look at Scarlet Ann's other works, you can tell that their primary "model" doesn't change much.
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And who is the one, that ordered art like this? It was dev. And don't try me to convince, that Scarlet isn't able to draw smaller ones. If she personally likes those, fine, but why to force other peoples, to like that, even if they like diversity in sizes?
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How is anything forcing anyone to play this ?
That art style is her signature and she is clearly still in demand.
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Because the game is an omage to "A Zombies Life", a game that uses Scarlett Anns art.
Scarlett is not able to draw ANY other way, take a look at all her artworks and you'll easily notice that they are carbon copies... even the scenes get reused 1 on 1.
You can ask Nergal wether this is his fetish or wether he just wanted one of the rarer skilled artists open for comission for his game. (Because back in the days there hardly was any available)
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She is very skilled, but like I said in a follow up comment her older work has more charm and uniqueness between pieces.
So the newer "doll like" models just don't hit the same, she has been able to crank more work out with these varying posed models.
Like the animations Smash did on the Builder Halloween scene was great and Siren did a good job on the OG model and posing.
I noticed this with Sex Note and Confined with Goddesses (Neither Scarlett or Siren's work) their streamlined models are not as "good/unique" as the original concepts in many cases. No hate towards them, just streamlining these larger games leaves stuff on the table.
Mall Creeps is an up and coming game with very unique art and fun models. and I know it's more on the cartoonish side, but character design diversity is there.
P.S. Sorry this went really off topic. But just want to clarify. No animosity towards Siren, Scarlett, or Smash, They are a very talented team, and I will be buying this when it comes out on itch.io and will continue to support their efforts. I just have an opinion on the current state of the game.
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You really reaching for the stars and need to learn a bit more about art. That being her staple has nothing to do with her capacity, he can ask SA to vary bust sizes since he is the one that pays for the work, and SA actually has shown she can vary bust sizes (and even if she hadn't its literally common sense SA is capable of such).
So yes, its the fault of the dev. Ofc no one is forcing us to play or anything like that so this criticism will likely not matter, but at the same time this nor bad excuses make the game beyond any form of criticism.
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You know there is something like excentric artists?
Scarlett Ann barely varies her characters, though Siren also comissions a support artist whom not only brings in shadows but also apparrently every now and than switch a few things up.
I haven't seen a single piece of art made by Scarlett Ann that is below a FFF chest size (probably even bigger).
I'd like to see such a varied art you mentioned but doubt it actually exists.
If you take a look at Sirens other games the chars show a variety of body and chest types... I fail to see the fault with the Dev as you claim