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The game hits the nail spot on when it comes to triggering emotions. Each and every character has such a good backstory and arc that it becomes tough to choose your favorite. Not just the main LI's but even other characters are well written.

Sex art: 0/5
Navigation: 1/5
Unexpected twists 5/5
Content: Where?/5
Frustrative: 4/5
Humorous: 4/5

For 2 hours and 4 done quest, 4 obtained people in party only seen 1 animation that is the same that are in pinned photo and 8 screens of "Game over", no sexual attacks, no defeat scenes, no gallery,
"capture" skill is non working on almost everyone.
And I don't have any clue where to find sex scenes really.
For big amount of in-game gold the random ero hentai jpgs can be bought but you can find the free in the internet that are much better.

I guess it reasonable to cut those 4-5 6 frame sex anitmation scenes that potentially present in the game and set 'no sexual content' tag as its such far from the scope and priority here.

This is the most promising SDT Clone I have seen, but it's got issues, probably due to being only v 0.2.

The controls are atrocious, there's no auto mode like in the original and the movements of the girls aren't really animated, they just follow the mouse and it looks janky as shit, this could be made a lot better with some clever applications of IK and some interpolation.

Overall though, it's mostly got everything where it counts. No idea on modding support tho.

A classic RPG with its flaws and advantages.

From the advantages:
Classic rpg gameplay without questionable changes from the author.
An interesting story with the development of the heroine.
Interesting thoughts and ideas in the implementation of the game.

Disadvantages:
Everything is like in classic RPGs:
Monotonous, same-type gameplay.
A classic plot where the heroine has to save the world.
A small amount of content.
Endlessness of the game despite the fact that it is Completed

Solid effort. The art is overall solid, there are different locations and characters, there's a semblance of a story as well as character events. It is grindy but also has built-in cheats to alleviate that.

Still it's kind of a pain to progress things, and the events just didn't hit for me. 3.5* is a good rating for this, but there are no half stars on here. It's closer to a 3 for me so 3 it goes. There is potential for something greater once the world gets filled out, but will it ever? Most games on here just get abandoned. There are so many areas, and it's all so empty. MC is rather unlikable but even that seems to quickly get dropped as the main story is extremely short thus far.

Written for 0.811 version of the game, but I do not see why would I try again due to experience I had.

So I decided to try this "game" out of curiosity, expecting well designed idea that while rough, could be good overall, but as you might expect from sole reliance on easy to make images(AI), well, that turns out to be much, much worse than it initially looks like, and while you "may" enjoy it if you are after its theme, well, it doesn't exactly mesh well with said art that isn't even consistent in artstyle, and has strong writing issues as well, clearly having a strong preference for subservient characters than a self respecting, but loyal character which has a respectable goal to relate. But let's explain in order why it is not good as it seems.

First, the gameplay - you may have thought that in spite of reliance on easy to produce artwork the game could have a great gameplay to compensate, but, but that is not the case; it is a generic turn based strategy where you use gear to attack your enemies, maybe buy/loot new equipment along the way, and upgrade your party members with new abilities, and yet, it steel feels it is a generic free engine(which it uses)strategy with just portrait/writing changes and call it a game, and it doesn't exactly give a good look, especially if how the chapter battles go - from fairly easy to rather hard, if not for fact you can grind stats and money at later stages where you can fight a bunch of enemies for some payout and experience boosts to catch up, but even then, the overall gameplay is so generic that you'll likely end up using the nuke item the game gladly gives you because of how uninspired it is. But the worst gameplay part I would say comes at the church part - you need keys to open the doors and only characters with keys in their inventory or thief trait can open them, and while the mission implies that you can just loot guards for keys to then open the doors, well yes, expect they get sent to party inventory that only your party leader/characters near them can access, which results in wasting time as they take a turn to get items to begin with in a already time limited instance, where you'll better off buying the keys before the mission itself and equipping said party members with them instead of relying on drops that will result in you failing it due to time limit. But there's another one - when turning characters, they change their class and as a result, their stats - while generally it is a pure upgrade over the original, at some cases they lose the ability to use their old equipment, which stays in their inventory at least, but still makes it more annoying when you have to give a warrior turned mage lighter equipment as a result of it. You do have class change tokens, but still.

Writing - Well, if using things like cuz and other modern dialect in clearly medieval fantasy wasn't already a bad omen for me, well, it is a indeed a bad experience here; plenty of swearing which feels over the top instead of reasonable, generic men who "supposedly" serve you out of goodwill but you have to turn them first into I would say even worse writing characters, that are nothing but sex obsessed maidens and random tropes meshed together to form an unholy mixture of traits that at times do not make sense, like a muscular berserker warrior turning into a lolita that can carry huge lolipop shaped axes like butter for no reason other than magic powers. It is really jarring, but lets explain in further - the plot; you want to save the kingdom using turned party members you get while fighting generic enemies that use default sprites and conquering others to join your "harem" and later turning against your advisor to become the sole leader of it, and apparently, the moral is that turning people into monsters is evil, but turning them into "beautiful" humanoid slaves/servants is good and dandy...with bad writing that ensures their eternal, easy loyalty, that is not a convincing way to like such characters, hell, even Warhammer fantasy has chaos humans who turn into bears or other chaos entities, and yet those are more relateable and actually badass with what they offer.
Also, if you turn into a woman, the old dialogue in events where you have access them as a man will still refer you as "he", and that's in addition even with "she", the dialogue still implies that you play as a male, which doesn't make really a difference in a already sloppy consistency, in addition to events that "supposely" refer as "she", but show a male body image anyway as if there's no difference whatsoever.
With all the jank overall, like bunnysuits/vibrators in medieval fantasy and especially the contrast between generic enemies and their "commanders" that somehow still use default sprites, it eventually becomes a total nonsense that makes no sense and ruins any enjoyment I could have.

Art - AI generated, I have nothing against if they apply human touch to it and being consistent or at least using them as placeholders for future revisions into normal art, but this is not the case here - many, many instances where the art doesn't exactly match character images, like one where if you are female, the game still shows male body having intercourse with another character, on top the generic leisure events not adjusting for different characters, showing the same generic image with a bunch of generic dialogue. Though I would say, the art should be a strong suit for such a theme, yet its all but random nonsense, like the aftermentioned berserker to lolita case, archer to chunnibou, fat man to non-belly dancer and so on, and while plenty are ironic, they are still not that great due to the art, heck, plenty of male characters have different, less detailed artstyle compared to their turned counterparts, as opposed to all variants being good quality wise. Though the big issue is sprites - all of them are vanilla, and are NOTHING what the character portrait is, which is a big element is to see changes, not a troop with a different portrait and better stats which currently is.
I would say quanity is a key word in this department than quality, and its not good. Next.

Sex elements - As I said earlier, with combined bad writing and inconsistent art/dialogue in correlation to art itself, they are more on a weird, outworldly feel than anything else, and with main element being transformation, they to not help much when they are that bad and boring to see or hear, and when you have elements featuring generic characters, the even greater artstyle difference between them will be a turning point for such scenes to be enjoyable in the first place. Not good, and not consistent either.

Music/sound - All of them are default music from the engine the game uses, I do not remember hearing non-default music/sounds ever, which is jarring at times, but nothing good to say.

Overall, this "game" while tries to do its job, it does it really bad - sure, there's little to no bugs, but on other hand, a lot of design elements and a generic story full of unsympathetic characters that somehow use modern dialect and at times wear modern clothing that has no reason to exist in a medieval era, and in addition to nonsensical forms plenty of party members have and jarring artstyle differences from case to case basis, this is not a good product at all, the gameplay is default engine framework that could be good if the battles were well designed/rememberable, but with all combined, I cannot see anything of value this has to offer besides transformation elements, and yet those are so half baked(and not relateable due to all things combined), I do not see any reason to try besides to know why you have to avoid said steps in the first place.

It felt repetitive. Countless scenes that felt like you already seen them before. It doesn't feel like the story has an actual plot. It's just feels like a rape simulator. For some reason they clogged the story up making you click on choices that only gave you one option instead of just writing that option into the story. Speaking of choices for some reason they decided to take out the auto read function and forced you to click through gigs of pictures for no reason and yet they left in the skip function. I click on a mouse all day everyday at work and I refuse to do it when reading a VN that was built on an engine that had a built in function to allow you to set your reading speed and just read and click on dialogue choices when they come up. It's mind boggling to me when devs take that function out. I found myself using the skip function quite a few times since that was my only choice besides constant clicking. The premise had potential but the execution is poor.

Now it ain't bad, but the visuals are gonna have to change. I understand it being unfinished, but the faces are unsettling. At this point just hire an artist for the characters. They are mostly static with a few different faces and outfits. The game has an interesting mechanic where every thing jiggles anything time a character moves, that was interesting. The writing isn't bad at all, so that wasn't too bad. The control mechanic was interesting.

The game has gotta add hints. Finding what days events happen or when you can progress a character was frustrating. Adding more time in a day would be nice. I can't be too critical because it is very unfinished, but there is room for improve on what is there. Regardless, if they change the faces then the game would be pretty nice. If you wanted by advice, creator who is never gonna see this, make an option to have them as your step-children. Also, if time allows, make a male character. That is more a personal thing, but it would be interesting because half the cast is female.

it's a bit janky at times and still has a few bugs and too much sandbox esque grinding but I'm enjoying the story and the characters a ton, it's genuinely ruined my sleep schedule cuz I can't stop playing. The models may be the same as Lust Theory but story and all the sex scenes are completely new and unique, it's really a whole new game. The people crying about it being a ripoff are just being overdramatic and haven't actually played the game

One of the greatest 3D arts, with tons of little details such as rings, wrinkles and stretch marks. Wich adds a nice dealing of realism. Standard but interesting storeys. Finally game with quality life features as a hint in the base game.

Between Salvation and Abyss
version #: Ch9 so far - Scores from low [1] to high [5]:

TLDR: You have no real choices. Prepare for depravity. I really wish I could give this a highter rating. With improvements on the things I list below it could certainly get higher.

MORE:
* with a competent English writer/translation this story could have been good. The bones of the story are worthy, but executed very poorly.
* If you think causing painful prolapses(unavoidable anal and vaginal) are somehow a sign of love, that your partner would actually appreciate, then you're delusional enough to like this. Otherwise, prepare to have to overlook some seriously demented nonsense.
* if you're OK with having no choice at all in which fetishes you participate in, then this might be for you.

Story - 2, hard to follow. Leaves things out that it doesn't explain until much later, leaving you rather lost for a while. Overall cringeworthy writing. (more below)
Originality - 4, this has what eventually reveals to be a rather intriguing story hidden under very poor translation.
Renders - 4, they look very nice.
Sound - 0, none at all. (except a scream jump scare in a single scene)
Playability - 3, story is hard to follow. Poorly written and formatted. More characters that you can really follow without making notes. There is often no difference between a charater's spoken word and their 'thoughts/narration'. Sometimes thoughts are italicized, and sometimes it's done backward, making the spoken words and thoughts even harder to differentiate.
Performance - no issues,
Bugs - not found ,
Animations - 2(at start) 4 later on, Marrionette motions look very unrealistic, though they do improve after ch5.2.
Voice Acting - n/a,
Grammar - 2, very poor. missused or completely wrong words and phrasing. Constant missuse of he/she/his/hers/you/me/them/etc. Switches between first person narration from the MC, and first person narration from other characters, which just doesn't flow well.
Amount of content - 4, there's quite a bit there, though a lot of it might not be to taste.

* MC often manipulates his famiy and friends in a wholely narcissistic way, forcing his mother to smile when she's sad just to make his pathetic ass happy, instead of saying/doing legitimate things to cheer her up.
* Mom and aunt are twins, and have the exact same name except one letter. Youngest sister's name is also the same, just spelled differently. With well over 30 characters in game this just adds to the f'in confusion.
* Selections are binary; Love OR Corruption. There is very little difference between them though, just some slightly different dialog. The pain you cause others is not reduced by selecting the love route.
* You can't avoid unwanted fetishes, at all:
- Prolapse, both anal and vaginal.
- Footjob.
- Granny sex.
- sexual abuse.
- rape where MC is perpetrator.
* A Scene Gallery is sorely needed.
* Significant continuity errors: skin colors change, Alessia grows a foot+ between chapters, etc.

as of ver 0.4b its a good game with good idea and execution but this game is painfully slow,

dont even try the original difficulty cuz u need to grind a lot to get scene.
this game has heavy text and story yet u cant skip any text nor any sex scene.
and the speed of auto text is slow too, u just need to keep holding press the enter or z key. dev needs improve upon this aspect.

I liked the story nothing award winning but plausible in terms of sex game.
The game is good gives degree of freedom but sex scene gets can be improved.

I hope good luck to dev with this project, i will check it out in future

This game needs some serious balancing. The constant wiping out of whatever force/money you accumulate is ridiculous. Motherfucker has no toes, but has to use all his goddamn force, because his druggie sister has a fucking headache, or the teacher has a headache, or the mom needs a massage, but first you need to buy groceries, but you don't have any money, because the other sister took your money, so you could snap some lewds of her.

Like wtf is the gameplay loop? You play a depressed alien wearing a skin suit that acts like he is autistic and depressed at the same time. Eat, sleep and shower, (until those options randomly are removed).

Some achievements are bugged, or so convoluted to unlock it's ridiculous. Also, where is a guide or at least some fucking hints/tips on how to unlock stuff?

tl;dr Avoid this one until it gets some fixes, atm it's a dick punching simulator

I find the game pretty good. Its a sex game, that delivers on sex. What dialogue is there, is pretty light and definitely has some humor. I crack up at the shit that goes on in the background half the time.

Fun game.
I really enjoy the meaningfully different play styles offered by the different classes.
My main gripe is how the deck building is done and how you cannot hold cards in your hand. all cards in hand must be discarded.

In the plus column it tries several new things with the incest genre, which is admirable and it's good to see developers trying new things.
1) No dead dad or uncle, no romance with mom and 3 other sisters. It's just the sister, and it's been a long time coming (which plays into the fantasy of someone having been into you forever and ever, and is satisfying, especially if they seem to be cool and are attractive).
2) No return after 7-10 years. They've been together the whole time. This takes more work to build realistic relationship with ins and outs and preferences and annoyances, which they do pretty well.
3) Gradual and believable romance/attraction, well written, including jealousies and natural progression over time. One of the best of any game I've seen, with the little things that make up a traditional romance. This is the best thing about the game, honestly.
4) Deals with uncovering old secrets once the romance blooms, including sex abuse, like is often the case - new confidence/security in a relationship brings out trauma from previous relationships.
5) Deals with the aftermath of sibcest with the parental unit who figures it out.
6) Smart, interesting love interest - Haley is fun and interesting and unpredictable (for a good part of the game).
7) Uses a crossover with another game as a key plot point, not a guest appearance.
8) Follows through on how oddly other people feel about the sibcest, and the sibs come across as creepy in threesomes, "Join us!" A freaked-out third point in a triangle that includes siblings seems more realistic than, "well, there's an erection, we better do something about it."
9) People actually have jobs and things to do and those aspects are part of the story too, compared to stories that are like, 'well, I'm between sexual escapades so I'll watch TV.' Work is integral to the plot of them staying together, of the relationships that they build, and of ways that their personalities come out.
10) The MC isn't a dick. He's a normal, nice guy who watches out for his sister and is generally nice to people.
11) Most other males in the game (and there are other males) are not predators/psychopaths or clowns. They're just dudes.

In the minus column (related to the numbered items above):
4) SA: Breaks the problem well and semi-realistically and then deals with oddly. We don't actually know what happens in the end (if you've played Alexandra you can guess). How they bring in the characters from Alexandra is kind of cool, and re-emphasizes those character's personalities. That's cool. BUT! It's a lot of build up and I felt frustrated and protective of Haley (well done) but then it just disappears and she doesn't ever find out. She gets closure through therapy, which is cool, because it doesn't go as planned either (cool). It was unsatisfying. It's a complex topic and healing/resolution is going to vary from person to person, and maybe folks don't want to wander into that, but if you're wandering in, you know. Wander out, don't just turn the lights off.
5) The whole getting a new apartment and then trying to hide it from dad was where I started skipping, it felt extraneous. 1-2 interactions and hard conversations and then let's be done. To be fair, I can't think of a lot of interesting ways to drag out 'Dad found out we're banging' but it is realistic to think they'd get found out eventually.
6) Haley does seem to change personality in the third act. It's funny writing but it's not consistent with who she was earlier.
8) The throuple endings are not very satisfying, the third wheel always feels sort of sidelined. Maybe that's the point, that it was always about the siblings, but it came across as underwhelming. With that much build up the big things that happen later would feel more satisfying if they had more heft.

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