RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.901 Bugfix] [Fujino]

[mos555]

I think it is kind of a stretch to say that Asuna didn't love Kirito in this story. I'm sure she expressed a decent amount of time her love for him. But the "dorkyness" and unassertiveness of Kirito makes Asuna the one wearing the pants in their relationship, hence her chosing when to have action. But to be fair, she has a special relation and idea of sex and maybe that's what made their couple almost platonic. And this only emphasized the NTR when her relationship with Inoda started because it had a more direct approach.
To come back about the love between Kirito and Asuna, we even have a barometer which showed that Asuna considered Kirito as the love of her life. Most probably a tool to help the player simply picture better the love which wasn't necessarily showed in the game.

The comparison, of course, is not equivalent in scale, but what if the entire play "Romeo and Juliet", the characters showed very little or no feelings for each other and then, at the end, they meet in a crypt and are poisoned with poison, and Shakespeare, without batting an eye, at the end of the play wrote "To you you just have to imagine that Romeo and Juliet really love each other very much." I think many people just wouldn't understand it.

So Fujino has the same thing in the VISUAL novel, instead of VISUALLY showing the players the relationship of a couple who have been together for several years, he just tells us - "Look at the numbers in the statistics and imagine that they love each other very much." The effect is about the same - misunderstanding.

 

[Kysky]

The comparison, of course, is not equivalent in scale, but what if the entire play "Romeo and Juliet", the characters showed very little or no feelings for each other and then, at the end, they meet in a crypt and are poisoned with poison, and Shakespeare, without batting an eye, at the end of the play wrote "To you you just have to imagine that Romeo and Juliet really love each other very much." I think many people just wouldn't understand it.

So Fujino has the same thing in the VISUAL novel, instead of VISUALLY showing the players the relationship of a couple who have been together for several years, he just tells us - "Look at the numbers in the statistics and imagine that they love each other very much." The effect is about the same - misunderstanding.

Yeah but I think we need to consider and to accept Fujino's relationship build is not perfect and there are inconsistencies. How Fujino would have made Asuna cheat/fall if her relation with Kirito was too perfect or way more passionate ? I think rape or blackmail would have been introduced very early in the game.
But then here she went on with Inoda because she had the reins of her relationship with Kirito and knew he would made herself to think he would "understand". She knew Kirito was already secured and began the foreplay of her actions with Inoda because she was feeling confident about the bond she has with Kirito.
But in a way it totally makes sense that this wouldn't happen if she was deeply in love with Kirito. Then, I would say her curiosity, self-consciousness of her image and her love for big dicks were stronger than her love for Kirito.

 

[mos555]

Yeah but I think we need to consider and to accept Fujino's relationship build is not perfect and there are inconsistencies. How Fujino would have made Asuna cheat/fall if her relation with Kirito was too perfect or way more passionate ? I think rape or blackmail would have been introduced very early in the game.
But then here she went on with Inoda because she had the reins of her relationship with Kirito and knew he would made herself to think he would "understand". She knew Kirito was already secured and began the foreplay of her actions with Inoda because she was feeling confident about the bond she has with Kirito.
But in a way it totally makes sense that this wouldn't happen if she was deeply in love with Kirito. Then, I would say her curiosity, self-consciousness of her image and her love for big dicks were stronger than her love for Kirito.

If you're asking the question "How can Asuna change Kirito if she loves him so much?", then you haven't seen many good NTR games. The conflict of "Love" versus "Lust", "New sensations" versus "Old Habits", "Guilt" versus "Irresistible desire" - these are the things that make the NTR game more action-packed and emotionally destabilizing.

Fujino probably wanted to write exactly something like this - strong love, but Kirito is bad at sex and a casual relationship gives Asuna what she wants, but this causes her emotional dilemma - "sex \ love", but, in the end, Fujino failed initially in that he practically removed the element of "love" for Kirito of the game, and then added it again, but in relation to Inoda. And it turns out that there is no emotional conflict in the game at all - Asuna is in love with Inoda and loves sex with him. And Kirito...? And Kirito is just a letters in the statistics to indicate a relationship. It doesn't cause emotions, it's disappointing.

 

[Kysky]

If you're asking the question "How can Asuna change Kirito if she loves him so much?", then you haven't seen many good NTR games. The conflict of "Love" versus "Lust", "New sensations" versus "Old Habits", "Guilt" versus "Irresistible desire" - these are the things that make the NTR game more action-packed and emotionally destabilizing.

Fujino probably wanted to write exactly something like this - strong love, but Kirito is bad at sex and a casual relationship gives Asuna what she wants, but this causes her emotional dilemma - "sex \ love", but, in the end, Fujino failed initially in that he practically removed the element of "love" for Kirito of the game, and then added it again, but in relation to Inoda. And it turns out that there is no emotional conflict in the game at all - Asuna is in love with Inoda and loves sex with him. And Kirito...? And Kirito is just a letters in the statistics to indicate a relationship. It doesn't cause emotions, it's disappointing.

Well, you're pretty much plunging in the inconsistencies I was talking about. Why would Asuna have other desires if her love would have been really deep for Kirito ? Why would she have this lust, or desire for something that Inoda would be able to give her without actually her knowing that Inoda had what she deeply and ignorantly wanted ? Did she know she needed something bigger ? Or wilder ? Answer is no. What draw her to Inoda was her false sense of altruism, and she happened to have this desire inside of her which awaken with the more passionate relationship with Inoda. She didn't go because she felt unsatisfied with Kirito.
Didn't she get off with Kirito on their very first sex scene ? (I don't really remember) how does she know Kirito was actually bad at sex before having her way with Inoda ? Kirito was pretty much her only reference.

 

[mos555]

Well, you're pretty much plunging in the inconsistencies I was talking about. Why would Asuna have other desires if her love would have been really deep for Kirito ? Why would she have this lust, or desire for something that Inoda would be able to give her without actually her knowing that Inoda had what she deeply and ignorantly wanted ? Did she know she needed something bigger ? Or wilder ? Answer is no. What draw her to Inoda was her false sense of altruism, and she happened to have this desire inside of her which awaken with the more passionate relationship with Inoda. She didn't go because she felt unsatisfied with Kirito.
Didn't she get off with Kirito on their very first sex scene ? (I don't really remember) how does she know Kirito was actually bad at sex before having her way with Inoda ? Kirito was pretty much her only reference.

In the first scene, Asuna didn't cum

with Kirito and went to the finish line with a dildo. That is, Asuna at least knows what an "orgasm" is and understands that she does not have an orgasm with Kirito.(Which in itself is not clear. Has Asuna lived with Kirito for 4 years and never had an orgasm? As for me, I believe that the reason for cheating - "small dick" is the stupidest reason for lazy authors).

Then they meet Inoda, and for no reason at all, Asuna suddenly begins to provide sexual services to the "poor and unhappy" Inoda (I don't think pity and maternal feelings are the reason, again a very lazy reason, but there was no plot in the first part, so you can ignore it).

Then the second part begins and Asuna, in the very first scene, breaks up having sex with Kirito and remembers the "rainy night" with Inoda, then she forgives Inoda for "rape" and for some crazy reason, agrees to provide Inoda with sex services once a week. That is, after the "rainy night," Asuna understands perfectly well what high-quality sex is.

And at each such moment, Asuna's doubts about the correctness of her behavior took a maximum of a couple of seconds. What kind of love can there be? And if before version 0.55 it was not noticeable because of the good plot layout and high-quality slow corruption, then after version 0.55, Fujino turned Asuna into a completely hypocritical and indifferent character who is more interested in looking for Kirito's mistakes than thinking about their solution. And there is a huge difference between the visual component of Kirito and Asuna's relationship and what is written in the statistics.

 

[Kysky]

In the first scene, Asuna didn't cum
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with Kirito and went to the finish line with a dildo. That is, Asuna at least knows what an "orgasm" is and understands that she does not have an orgasm with Kirito.(Which in itself is not clear. Has Asuna lived with Kirito for 4 years and never had an orgasm? As for me, I believe that the reason for cheating - "small dick" is the stupidest reason for lazy authors).

Then they meet Inoda, and for no reason at all, Asuna suddenly begins to provide sexual services to the "poor and unhappy" Inoda (I don't think pity and maternal feelings are the reason, again a very lazy reason, but there was no plot in the first part, so you can ignore it).

Then the second part begins and Asuna, in the very first scene, breaks up having sex with Kirito and remembers the "rainy night" with Inoda, then she forgives Inoda for "rape" and for some crazy reason, agrees to provide Inoda with sex services once a week. That is, after the "rainy night," Asuna understands perfectly well what high-quality sex is.

And at each such moment, Asuna's doubts about the correctness of her behavior took a maximum of a couple of seconds. What kind of love can there be? And if before version 0.55 it was not noticeable because of the good plot layout and high-quality slow corruption, then after version 0.55, Fujino turned Asuna into a completely hypocritical and indifferent character who is more interested in looking for Kirito's mistakes than thinking about their solution. And there is a huge difference between the visual component of Kirito and Asuna's relationship and what is written in the statistics.

Oh yeah, you're right, the dildo was kind of the finisher for her (I forgot about that part), but wasn't she lenient towards Kirito for not providing enough for her ? Like wasn't she always expecting him to actually meet her needs ? Or that was just pure copium from her ? Like she was genuinely expecting something in the future ! Knowing she didn't really much of choice before seeing Inoda's sexual capabilities.

However, I totally agree, she completely changed when she had this first sex with Inoda. But was she at this moment all over Inoda and forgot totally about Kirito ? Her mind and principles said "No". Her heart said "I'm not so sure but I don't think so....maybe". Her ovaries said "fuck yes!!!"

 

[mos555]

Oh yeah, you're right, the dildo was kind of the finisher for her (I forgot about that part), but wasn't she lenient towards Kirito for not providing enough for her ? Like wasn't she always expecting him to actually meet her needs ? Or that was just pure copium from her ? Like she was genuinely expecting something in the future ! Knowing she didn't really much of choice before seeing Inoda's sexual capabilities.
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However, I totally agree, she completely changed when she had this first sex with Inoda. But was she at this moment all over Inoda and forgot totally about Kirito ? Her mind and principles said "No". Her heart said "I'm not so sure but I don't think so....maybe". Her ovaries said "fuck yes!!!"

Maybe that was the case before. Asuna didn't know much about sex, and Kirito was the only example, but don't forget how Sugo\Oberon held her captive. Her memory was erased, but her pleasure-trained body remained. That is, based on the plot that Fujino created, sex with Kirito was always insufficient for Asuna, but she stayed with him. There is also a question here, if there were no ALFheim events that consolidated Asuna and Kirito's relationship, then why does she stay with Kirito? This is also a question that goes into the piggy bank(haha! piggy...) of questions about whether Asuna really loved Kirito?

It seems that Fujino initially did not want to develop the relationship between Asuna and Kirito particularly within his canon, but simply hoped that everyone knew the original novel and would believe in the relationship between Kirito and Asuna without unnecessary questions. But the mere absence of the "Fairy Dance" arc, to be honest, changes a lot, but apparently Fujino just gave up on it.

 

[mos555]

I have a theory that after the "memory change", Asuna's PTSD should disappear - this is a logical assumption, if Asuna's brain subconsciously understood that her body had undergone lustful training from Sugo, but did not understand where it came from, because of the erased memory, then now everything should fall into place. 200+ times of having sex with Inoda should explain a lot. Self-rationalization of memory, damn it.

We don't even know how long Asuna spent in Sugo's captivity. If we assume that Asuna's memory has added 200+ fucking sessions with Inoda, then why not replace the erased memory with the same relationship with Inoda. And then it becomes unclear at all - how long have Asuna and Kirito been a couple? Maybe they've only been dating for a few months...

 

[BraulioGimenez01]

hope you all did the right thing and put STRONGLY DISLIKE on futanari and furry shit

 

[Vargran]

Alguien me dice que le paso a hebishima ?

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Alguien me dice que le paso a hebishima ?

Suguha got free from him by her own means, and then Shino got mad with power after becoming one of the Administrator-Illuminati and decided to enact her revenge on him for what he did to her by drugging him and turning him into a girl, which she and Sugu proceeded to have fucked by several guys and star in Adult Videos. Unironically, the most unexpected karmic fate I have seen a NTR Chad suffer within a NTR game that isn't some alternative non-canon ending, lol.

 

[Adrian678j]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask you a question. What would you think if Fujino brought Sachi back to life? If you watch the game, it has some things from the original story and some things that aren't. For example, Shino and Alice. Kirito gets to know them in a very different way. Would you see it as just another crazy thing, or would you find it interesting? The return of a love that couldn't be and Suguha's true rival, haha.

 

[kinglionheart]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask you a question. What would you think if Fujino brought Sachi back to life? If you watch the game, it has some things from the original story and some things that aren't. For example, Shino and Alice. Kirito gets to know them in a very different way. Would you see it as just another crazy thing, or would you find it interesting? The return of a love that couldn't be and Suguha's true rival, haha.

Interesting idea. A idea that could be been great earlier in the game but at this point it is so close to the end that it would too much to fit her in now. Unlike Yui there were no mention of Sachi to my knowledge. Putting her in now would just be too much effort.

I can see earlier in the game, Fujino could say Sachi didn't die in Aincraid but instead went into a coma. Then she woke up and met Kirito again. Kirito could be torn between Sachi and Asuna. He could have want to spend time with Sachi and that could be a more realistic cause Asuna to be jealous and be closer to Inoda then using the fake Kirito with Flora idea.

Yea definitely a good idea but too late to make it work now.

 

[Adrian678j]

I had thought about this idea a long time ago, at least 4 or 5 updates ago, but I forgot and I just saw an image of it and I remembered too late haha

 

[b h]

I have a theory that after the "memory change", Asuna's PTSD should disappear - this is a logical assumption, if Asuna's brain subconsciously understood that her body had undergone lustful training from Sugo, but did not understand where it came from, because of the erased memory, then now everything should fall into place. 200+ times of having sex with Inoda should explain a lot. Self-rationalization of memory, damn it.
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We don't even know how long Asuna spent in Sugo's captivity. If we assume that Asuna's memory has added 200+ fucking sessions with Inoda, then why not replace the erased memory with the same relationship with Inoda. And then it becomes unclear at all - how long have Asuna and Kirito been a couple? Maybe they've only been dating for a few months...

I hope he drops the memory loss angle. I wanted Asuna to have to make the choice to cheat again fully, not think she has already been doing it for months.

Attached some fan art I made with AI lol

 

[mos555]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask you a question. What would you think if Fujino brought Sachi back to life? If you watch the game, it has some things from the original story and some things that aren't. For example, Shino and Alice. Kirito gets to know them in a very different way. Would you see it as just another crazy thing, or would you find it interesting? The return of a love that couldn't be and Suguha's true rival, haha.

It could have worked if Sachi had returned in one of the endings. Kirito was abandoned by absolutely everything and he began to sink into the depths of depression, but then he receives the news that Sachi is alive and they are dating.

The premise for SAO NTR part 3.


But in the original, Kirito and Sachi didn't have a romantic relationship, he treated Sachi like a sister, she reminded him a little of Suguha. If there is a whole dramatic arc for Suguha, then Sachi is, in fact, just a small brick for shaping Kirito's future character.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

It could have worked if Sachi had returned in one of the endings. Kirito was abandoned by absolutely everything and he began to sink into the depths of depression, but then he receives the news that Sachi is alive and they are dating.

The premise for SAO NTR part 3.
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But in the original, Kirito and Sachi didn't have a romantic relationship, he treated Sachi like a sister, she reminded him a little of Suguha. If there is a whole dramatic arc for Suguha, then Sachi is, in fact, just a small brick for shaping Kirito's future character.

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Actually, Sachi didn't really remind him of Suguha, the only one who did that was Silica XD And funnily enough, there is only like 2 lines that have him clarify that he didn't see Sachi in a romantic way, and these actually didn't exist in the original web novel, they were added exclusively to the published Light Novel version of Sachi's/The Black Cats' sidestory, aka poor Sachi was retconned out of being Kirito's first love for Asuna's sake despite ending up death...and later on this was pointless anyway because the author wrote SAO Progressive which further retconned KiriSuna's relationship, so Asuna was the first love anyway, aka poor Sachi just took another unnecessary L for no reason in the end XD

 

[Yamakasi20]

I'm very much AGAINST polls by succesful dev/story makers...

Polls give what most people want (which in theory sounds good), but most people are average, and even if they're not it waters down quality into meeting majority.

My advice: Don't go for majority when you already are capable of proven very high quality. Trust your work.

 

[Queen_Nothing]

I hope the poll is more for shaping future projects than guidance on SAO2.

 

[seifukulover]

Hey Fujino: if the next game must be Naruto NTR, then I've got some ideas.
Instead of breaking up Naruto x Hinata, which is too obvious and not deserved for either character... let's break up Sasuke x Sakura, since both these characters are jokes/losers and literally no one would complain about seeing their relationship ruined.

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