VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.17.2] [Runey]

[NeroZee]

Just want to add to this that desensitization is a thing regarding movies. It's possible to watch something in a movie and not feel a thing and see it in real life and have reactions. Myself for an example used to not bat an eye regarding bloody scenes and gore on TV and movies and ever since I saw someone get run over by a car that's no longer the case. Not reacting to a movie emotionally does not make a person a psychopath.

Sure, but i am gonna say if someone has ever watched any movie/series and never had an emotional reaction to any of the more tragic/emotional scenes, than yea that person should definitely seek some advice, let's just say that.

 

[ZTex]

I was replying to a guy whose response to criticism of the game was basically "well I like it, so it's fine". His opinion not being more valid than those who don't like that aspect of the game is exactly what my point was.

There's a pretty big difference between her backstory being that she's a slave and making her story about slavery in the world. Is Ashley's story going to be about child abuse? Not her abusive past, but child abuse in general? I'm not going to apologise for thinking Lin's story should be about Lin. Not that I object to bringing in the other elves that is, just how it's done.


The competition is one of the things I want to walk away from. I still haven't seen a good explanation of why it has to happen. I think that's the biggest issue that we should be talking about. The rest I feel there's a worthwhile discussion to be had, but it's all secondary to this.

No argument here, I agree completely.

I like all those things too. If I'd said that I didn't like Lin that would be a fair response. If I didn't like her however I would have stopped before her twentieth scene. I like Lin just fine, she's one of my favourite girls. What I don't like is the direction her story is going in after all that. How the game is on course from being one of my favourites to one it looks like I may end up dropping.

Because it's fun in and of itself and we just love doing it. The only one Lin needs to be better than is herself. She shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone else.

There are some things we just don't want to see, let alone participate in. It's perfectly good writing to gloss over unpleasant things if it would bring the mood down too much.

The reason why the competition has to occur is because it's a pivotol turning point for the way Elves are treated going forward as has been said about 100 times by Runey in this thread.

At this point it feels like you're just complaining because the scenario isn't to your liking and you already know what your response should be. Either stop playing the scenario or stop playing the game. It's not going to change and neither is the explanation for why this happens.

Additionally, if you actually cared about why Lin willingly participates in this it's because she doesn't want to be taken away from the person she loves as Cornwall has that authority.

 

[jamdan]

The cumpetition is the most important event in the game. You show the ones in power (Cornwell and his pals) that being good to elves is better than being mean to them, which is a pretty big deal. Without that event you wouldn't have met Ann, Nia or Sylvia and that would mean you couldn't have purchased them (aka saved them) and whatever else that happens with them wouldn't happen. Nia seems to be some sort of elf-saving ninja, she couldn't be a elf-saving ninja if she was still with her old owner.

 

[sillyrobot]

I was replying to a guy whose response to criticism of the game was basically "well I like it, so it's fine". His opinion not being more valid than those who don't like that aspect of the game is exactly what my point was.

There's a pretty big difference between her backstory being that she's a slave and making her story about slavery in the world. Is Ashley's story going to be about child abuse? Not her abusive past, but child abuse in general? I'm not going to apologise for thinking Lin's story should be about Lin. Not that I object to bringing in the other elves that is, just how it's done.


The competition is one of the things I want to walk away from. I still haven't seen a good explanation of why it has to happen. I think that's the biggest issue that we should be talking about. The rest I feel there's a worthwhile discussion to be had, but it's all secondary to this.

No argument here, I agree completely.

I like all those things too. If I'd said that I didn't like Lin that would be a fair response. If I didn't like her however I would have stopped before her twentieth scene. I like Lin just fine, she's one of my favourite girls. What I don't like is the direction her story is going in after all that. How the game is on course from being one of my favourites to one it looks like I may end up dropping.

Because it's fun in and of itself and we just love doing it. The only one Lin needs to be better than is herself. She shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone else.

There are some things we just don't want to see, let alone participate in. It's perfectly good writing to gloss over unpleasant things if it would bring the mood down too much.

Frankly, I was more put off by the seeming inconsistencies in the world history in last update than any depiction of yoke of slavery.

Lin tells us (via Kali) that a helpful slaver informed her of her rights when she was captured 250+ years ago. Last update the new slaves told us that slaves had no rights prior to Cornwall taking over. It would be more internally consistent if Cornwall (or society in general if fingers aren't going to be pointed) were stripping the traditional rights as quickly as they could persuade the human public the new course was acceptable.

I assume the narrative is going to flow in a different direction that requires Cornwall to be a somewhat nice man as opposed to an asshole.

 

[Akuniz]

Runey, ty on the no NTR part (lived it in both ways and.... just no trust me). Ill just let the ppl above me share their opinion then give a tip later, dont want to get in this kind of (in a way) unreal opinions.

 

[Kinderfeld]

Wikis are very time consuming. I don't think it would be very possible for one person to do a wiki alone. Those are more community driven. But I would love to see a wiki!

Yeah, my editor once suggested I do the same. I looked into it for a bit and realized that if I tried to tackle it, I'd be spending 50% of my time doing that and not writing. You need a dedicated community or a online media person to do that much work.

 

[Conniver's Kunai]

No, there is and never will be NTR in the game

a lot of thanks that you are not cuckold

 

[Runey]

Frankly, I was more put off by the seeming inconsistencies in the world history in last update than any depiction of yoke of slavery.

Lin tells us (via Kali) that a helpful slaver informed her of her rights when she was captured 250+ years ago. Last update the new slaves told us that slaves had no rights prior to Cornwall taking over. It would be more internally consistent if Cornwall (or society in general if fingers aren't going to be pointed) were stripping the traditional rights as quickly as they could persuade the human public the new course was acceptable.

I assume the narrative is going to flow in a different direction that requires Cornwall to be a somewhat nice man as opposed to an asshole.

Where does it say Lin had rights 250 years ago? She didn't, and I need to change that. Rights were given to them 30 years ago.

The competition is one of the things I want to walk away from. I still haven't seen a good explanation of why it has to happen. I think that's the biggest issue that we should be talking about. The rest I feel there's a worthwhile discussion to be had, but it's all secondary to this.

Lin says she wants a child with MC, but she doesn't want her to grow up in this world. Do you really not understand how changing the opinion of the person who can give rights to Elves is important? Would you not do whatever it takes for your child to grow up in a better world?

I'm making a comic in the timeline of when you were never able to convince cornwall of this. The main girl is Lin's daughter, and it's dark. I definitely don't recommend everyone read this alternate timeline if you don't like darker stuff.

 

[Conniver's Kunai]

Answer for Kate's question pls)
And how to start new bar's events?

 

[prrt]

Answer for Kate's question pls)

You sErious ? No jokE ?

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

It's not good writing if you aren't shown it.

This right here.

There are some things we just don't want to see, let alone participate in. It's perfectly good writing to gloss over unpleasant things if it would bring the mood down too much.

While this is technically true, it's also false. The writer pens the story (literally) he or she wants to weave for the reader / audience. It may be something you dislike or find unpleasant, but that's life.
Suggesting the writer censor themselves because you feel uncomfortable is never going to work. They're either going to ignore you and suggest you move on to something else, or, if they for some reason acquiesce, the story itself will suffer because all of a sudden they can't do what they want and their heart isn't in it anymore. Guaranteed.

Runey has managed to write extremely compelling characters and a story into a game to the point where I'm actually emotionally invested in them to an extent (as much as you can be for fictional characters). I mean, to use the Cornwall thing as an example, I legitimately got mad during that street encounter. I wanted to punch that fucker out and curb stomp him at first. "Motherfucker, NOBODY messes with my Lin!" was my thought process at the time.
If Lin (or any of the girls') stories had been all sunshine, rainbows, and bunnies I doubt I would have felt that protective urge. That's more than just good writing, at least in my opinion.

No, there is and never will be NTR in the game

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[jhose15xs]

No, there is and never will be NTR in the game

even if is netori?, i mean steal a girl from a douch, take care of a lonely housewife, etc

 

[prrt]

I was hoping MC to become the big elves liberator to protect his offspring .
But now it seems you want to take in consideration it doesn't happen (a comic ,ok)
And this after telling about the social status of half elves , or lack of it .

 

[sillyrobot]

Where does it say Lin had rights 250 years ago? She didn't, and I need to change that. Rights were given to them 30 years ago.

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Lin and Kali have a talk -- I am unsure whose path it is on. During that talk, Lin discusses the rights she has -- food, water, sleep, the right to withhold consent for sex (but not free speech). Lin also describes her early life -- how the humans came, how her sister urged her to run and she ran back to town. She was picked up immediately and one of the friendlier captors told her these rights.

It was effectively a strongish rationale how Lin could be a virgin at 300. Without the right to deny sex, she wouldn't be after passing through 9ish masters and 250+ years of servitude.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

I was hoping MC to become the big elves liberator to protect his offspring .
But now it seems you want to take in consideration it doesn't happen (a comic ,ok)
And this after telling about the social status of half elves , or lack of it .

It's an alternate universe / timeline thing from the sound of things so I wouldn't worry :

I'm making a comic in the timeline of when you were never able to convince cornwall of this.

 

[Runey]

I was hoping MC to become the big elves liberator to protect his offspring .
But now it seems you want to take in consideration it doesn't happen (a comic ,ok)
And this after telling about the social status of half elves , or lack of it .

Which timeline you want to go in is up to you. This one just takes place in of the two possible choices cornwall chooses.

Lin and Kali have a talk -- I am unsure whose path it is on. During that talk, Lin discusses the rights she has -- food, water, sleep, the right to withhold consent for sex (but not free speech). Lin also describes her early life -- how the humans came, how her sister urged her to run and she ran back to town. She was picked up immediately and one of the friendlier captors told her these rights.

It was effectively a strongish rationale how Lin could be a virgin at 300. Without the right to deny sex, she wouldn't be after passing through 9ish masters and 250+ years of servitude.

Thank you! I changed some dialog around to make it more consistent.

 

[Maxiruas]

How to start Bar Event 5/7? The mod just say evening and weekday, but nothing happens. And how to start Lin Level 26 event?

 

[sillyrobot]

How to start Bar Event 5/7? The mod just say evening and weekday, but nothing happens. And how to start Lin Level 26 event?

Starting bar 5/7 is a acknowledged bug. I suspect 7.2 will be released to deal with it. What is Lin's level 26 event? Or at least, what was the last one?

 

[Runey]

How to start Bar Event 5/7? The mod just say evening and weekday, but nothing happens. And how to start Lin Level 26 event?

Go in the bar on any day other than the weekend in the Evenings.

To get Lin's friendship to 26, go into the kitchen.

Starting bar 5/7 is a acknowledged bug. I suspect 7.2 will be released to deal with it. What is Lin's level 26 event? Or at least, what was the last one?

This was bar event 4/7. That was fixed in v0.7.1.1. But thank you!

 

[ThrowTriple]

I'm confused on how to start the scenes of blowjobs with the elves in Sanctuary. They don't seem willing to do anything. Also, when can the MC actually see them in the hot springs?