RPGM Tower of Trample [v1.18.0.4 + Standalone SC3] [Bo Wei/Koda]

[Alexu]

And yeah, to me, anything i read here, its a shitshow, people vomiting every single day about how unloyal the devs are to the patrons, when in first place, the vast majority of those who complain, dont even pay for the content (a yet, overused argument, but works as well) and then, those who pay, and are not agree with their policy, why do you even keep on paying? (just like i did unpledge)
If you wanna think the devs are money-grabbing assholes, then so be it, but please, and i do beg you, please, do not blame on us, do not IMPOSE your blame on us, to replicate EXACTLY that to the devs.
I have complaint about the plagiarizing
about the amount of vanilla footjobs in the game
about the ridiculously bad expansion for Yvonne
about the delays(OF COURSE)
about Bo´s lack of communication (sorry, i care more about Bo´s job than Koda´s expansions, that is why ill focus on Bo)
i did complain and argue about everything you´ve been also discussing here every fucking day, and honestly, if you feel entitled, you reap what you sow. (sorry for those who actually just express their discontent in other ways that are not plain toxic.)

 

[Parasection]

Dude, i wish you trully said here the reason why we argued at discord, but you wont ever do that, you know why?
Cause you are 100% sure that what you said that time was justified, and no matter how many times we tried to make you reflect you kept insisting, that blaming on an entire community for the non comittment of the devs with their patrons, its just stupid at so many levels... not only that, but the first time i met you at the discord, you already judged me, we voice-called, and since then you did not say a thing to me, which was strange, like, vomiting all what you felt like to someone you dont even know, then hiding what you did, the only reason why you ever talked to me was to ask for the updates, that kind of behaviour, doesnt tell anything good about you, you havent done shit for the game, "i made people talk" the fuck what? we´ve had many discussions, even argues with Bo and Koda, not only publicly but through PMs, what did that exactly solve? nothing, i´m not paying for the game for many months, but you have to respect those who do, its their fucking decision to do so, lastly, yeah, after all the "story" with you, you gave me the impression, that the reason why you were banned at f95, was exactly cause that, cause you were plain toxic, not constructive, neither someone helpfull for anyone ,just for you and your dick.
Now, go on, post exactly what you said, the mods didnt delete anything at all, you were embarrassed for the things you said, even thought you were still CERTAIN they were true, WHOLEHEARTEDLY, and that is the reason why, in my opinion, you left the discord, right after that argue.

Even if he was the biggest dick in the world, it still doesn't mean shit when Bo and Koda delay super hard.

 

[Alexu]

Even if he was the biggest dick in the world, it still doesn't mean shit when Bo and Koda delay super hard.

I never defended their delays? and will NEVER do?
but i wont also EVER defend someone using ANYTHING to relieve himself on others.
I get it, we try to chill and not be nervous at discord about it, even though is so FREAKIN hard, but that doesnt mean we do not complain!

 

[Parasection]

I never defended their delays? and will NEVER do?
but i wont also EVER defend someone using ANYTHING to relieve himself on others.

You seem to be doing the same thing though. No one wants to see a large wall of text. If you have a problem with someone personally then pm them.

 

[Alexu]

You seem to be doing the same thing though. No one wants to see a large wall of text. If you have a problem with someone personally then pm them.

If a conversation of discord is posted publicly, i gotta answer publicly, sorry if you felt offended, wasnt my intention.

 

[Deleted member 205059]

Obviously something interesting is planned here

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P.S. I think it's safe to say at this point that we have more chances to see this demo first than another ToT update. I'm looking forward to it!

I've seen the fully finished version and I can tell you the scene is amazing. Lemme just tease there are 4 main actions she can take (but those have several animations in them). The length of it all doesnt sound that long, but this game is all about quality>quantity.

 

[Alexu]

I've seen the fully finished version and I can tell you the scene is amazing. Lemme just tease there are 4 main actions she can take (but those have several animations in them). The length of it all doesnt sound that long, but this game is all about quality>quantity.

Fully finished? you mean the demo? is it possible to be downloaded yet or nah? i´m so interested in that game! ^^

 

[Deleted member 205059]

Fully finished? you mean the demo? is it possible to be downloaded yet or nah? i´m so interested in that game! ^^

I'm the translator. I got to watch all the completed animations because I have to make sure the subtitles line up with the scenes/voice acting. The demo is largely finished, but there are still things that need doing, so I'm hoping that the demo will be out mid-july.

(And yes I mean the demo)

 

[GearlessJoe]

Alexu I agree that the devs are so subborn that even if you complained directly to them you'd have a hard time getting them to change anything, so I don't fault the discord for the devs' mistakes. And hey, denial is one of the ways you deal with hard situations, like "There's this thing I like very much and I can only get from these 2 guys, but they're very unreliable", so I don't really blame the people who think the devs have done no wrong, even if I think they ought to respect themselves more. I guess the whole Discord vs F95 drama got to the point where it's stopped being entertaining.
As for the issues you have with zazz, I can tell you the reason why he got banned was for posting memes that were deemed by the mods to be "off-topic". It was a time of delays much like right now, and people were losing interest in the game so they started posting memes about the devs and the discord. The only difference is that the thread wasn't as abandoned and devoid of moderation as it is right now, so zazz got banished to the shadow realm a couple of times by the same mod (who I'm glad is gone) for saying he was being a buzzkill and ignoring his no-memes policy.
You may feel he hasn't contributed anything to you guys at the discord, but he did contribute here, as a helpful and active community member and co-author of the

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[Alexu]

Alexu I agree that the devs are so subborn that even if you complained directly to them you'd have a hard time getting them to change anything, so I don't fault the discord for the devs' mistakes. And hey, denial is one of the ways you deal with hard situations, like "There's this thing I like very much and I can only get from these 2 guys, but they're very unreliable", so I don't really blame the people who think the devs have done no wrong, even if I think they ought to respect themselves more. I guess the whole Discord vs F95 drama got to the point where it's stopped being entertaining.
As for the issues you have with zazz, I can tell you the reason why he got banned was for posting memes that were deemed by the mods to be "off-topic". It was a time of delays much like right now, and people were losing interest in the game so they started posting memes about the devs and the discord. The only difference is that the thread wasn't as abandoned and devoid of moderation as it is right now, so zazz got banished to the shadow realm a couple of times by the same mod (who I'm glad is gone) for saying he was being a buzzkill and ignoring his no-memes policy.
You may feel he hasn't contributed anything to you guys at the discord, but he did contribute here, as a helpful and active community member and co-author of the

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.

Thats a pretty good guide, but still, first impression matters, right? i understand Zazza's uneasiness due the unforgivable amount of delays, the reason why our discord is precisely, less toxic, its thanks to the memes! so i apologize for saying that about Zazza, i guess my memories with him werent as good as i'd like to, but yeah, certainly, the delays are unexcusable!, we just dont want the discord to turn into another WW, so order is needed (not meaning to kick every single person with a bad opinion of the game)
I appreciate your comprehension and your non negative-response, i expected something way worse, to be honest, im more than happy

 

[Alexu]

I agree that no one can prove or disprove whether Bo is just trying to cash in with ToT, all we can do is speculate, so I'll go ahead and do that...

What's the argument for Bo not caring about the money? Is it just "he's a buddha, he has no worldly desires"? Or is it "ToT is a passion project for him, all he cares about is making a great game". First one is ridiculous, and second one is suspect because we know that Bo doesn't put a lot of effort into ToT.

Even from the start Bo has reused a lot of drawings for his CGs. Scarlett and Yvonne have the exact same feet just with different coloured nails, for example. The ONLY 100% original update ToT has ever gotten was Ms. Claus' floor. Sometimes when he reuses art he changes the shape a little, changes the texture or uses different angles so it looks different. You can probably count on one hand the amount of times Bo has had to draw soles for his game (no joke), which is very weird considering he has a foot fetish and feet are an important aspect of his game.

And then there's the fact that he puts other people's art into his game. This could be for a couple of reasons: he's either SUPER LAZY, which could be corroborated by the fact that the first time that he did it he literally copy-pasted the thing (Msize CG which became Eliza's foot), or he's insecure about his drawing skills and wants to do better for his game. Either way, if you're making a passion project and you really care about the end result, the last thing you should do is steal other people's work, or else your precious passion project would be sullied, right?

Pic related is some more proof that Bo traces some of his art.

- Left pic is drawn way better, IMO the best soles in the game
- Right pic looks ugly and amateurish by comparison
- Left pic looks dull, there's no shine except for a couple of tiny sweat drops
- Right pic has a little shine that Bo likes to draw in everything for some reason
- Left pic has short toenails
- Right pic has long toenails
- Left pic knows how to draw the little toe
- Right pic draws the little toe like it was finger

Keep in mind that Left pic was in the game BEFORE Right pic, and Right pic is supposed to be the continuation of Left pic from a different angle. Since we don't know who the artist is for Left pic this isn't 100% concrete proof, but to me it's still obvious.
There's another Khulan pic (her kick) that also seems a little too good for Bo to have drawn, and that has Khulan's foot have some kind of mole in it that never appears again. But with that one the tracing isn't as obvious as in this case, and it's possible that Bo did draw that one and is just very inconsistent with his art. Idk

TLDR: If you say Bo doesn't care about making money, then what he should care about is his art/this project. IMO If he cared about his art/this project he wouldn't fill it with low-effort reused art and plagiarized art. Some proof of more plagiarism

I still remember the countless argues i had with members of the discord trying to excuse Bo's art (until they acknowledged, it was plagiarizing)
i did discuss it with Bo himself, he simply said, he didnt care, he just wanted to make the best game ever, and plagiarizing would save up time, which if it was true, we should've already had 1000 different updates, and like you stated, someone that loves feet as much should draw DILIGENTLY genuine art, but he does not, to the point i even asked Sleepygimp (one of my favourite authors) if plagiarizing for such reason was somehow "legit" which ofc, gave me a negative answer.

 

[comoo]

Thats a pretty good guide, but still, first impression matters, right? i understand Zazza's uneasiness due the unforgivable amount of delays, the reason why our discord is precisely, less toxic, its thanks to the memes! so i apologize for saying that about Zazza, i guess my memories with him werent as good as i'd like to, but yeah, certainly, the delays are unexcusable!, we just dont want the discord to turn into another WW, so order is needed (not meaning to kick every single person with a bad opinion of the game)
I appreciate your comprehension and your non negative-response, i expected something way worse, to be honest, im more than happy

Thanks for your cool headed responses. i personally one hundred percent sure that devs arent money grabber or something like that with these amounth of work they could have easily collected much more also these are not delays this is just constantly lying .f95 thinks that they should have been punished even a little , if you praise them when they do bad work(really bad)they will always do the same.

 

[comoo]

I still remember the countless argues i had with members of the discord trying to excuse Bo's art (until they acknowledged, it was plagiarizing)
i did discuss it with Bo himself, he simply said, he didnt care, he just wanted to make the best game ever, and plagiarizing would save up time, which if it was true, we should've already had 1000 different updates, and like you stated, someone that loves feet as much should draw DILIGENTLY genuine art, but he does not, to the point i even asked Sleepygimp (one of my favourite authors) if plagiarizing for such reason was somehow "legit" which ofc, gave me a negative answer.

as an ameteur(really shitty) grafic tablet user and an architect when you draw something , first thing on your mind is how to finish it quicker yes it is still plagiarism but i think i can understand his ambition.

 

[Alexu]

as an ameteur(really shitty) grafic tablet user and an architect when you draw something , first thing on your mind is how to finish it quicker yes it is still plagiarism but i think i can understand his ambition.

I can also understand it, its just my fetishist-side the one that doesnt want to accept it, cause feet aren't all the same right? that is my point ^^

 

[Incognito Guy]

The truth is ToT is severely overrated. I used to think Bo's art was amazing and Koda had some serious writing skills, but I must've been high on having finally found a decent femdom game. It IS mostly better than the competition and it DOES fill a pretty specific niche, but don't buy into the whole "QUALITY" BS. It's not a bad game by any standards, but the high praise it gets feels greatly amplified by the fact that it has 0 competition.

You can see this as me being salty, which in part is true, but mainly it's me being disillusioned. As in, no longer under the illusion that Bo and Koda are particularly good at what they do.

The art was never great, but it got better, and writing femdom is very hard. 90% of fiction "mistresses" come out as trying WAY too hard, ToT doesn't have that for me. I'd say the writing quality is very good.

Dude, i wish you trully said here the reason why we argued at discord, but you wont ever do that, you know why?
Cause you are 100% sure that what you said that time was justified, and no matter how many times we tried to make you reflect you kept insisting, that blaming on an entire community for the non comittment of the devs with their patrons, its just stupid at so many levels... not only that, but the first time i met you at the discord, you already judged me, we voice-called, and since then you did not say a thing to me, which was strange, like, vomiting all what you felt like to someone you dont even know, then hiding what you did, the only reason why you ever talked to me was to ask for the updates, that kind of behaviour, doesnt tell anything good about you, you havent done shit for the game, "i made people talk" the fuck what? we´ve had many discussions, even argues with Bo and Koda, not only publicly but through PMs, what did that exactly solve? nothing, i´m not paying for the game for many months, but you have to respect those who do, its their fucking decision to do so, lastly, yeah, after all the "story" with you, you gave me the impression, that the reason why you were banned at f95, was exactly cause that, cause you were plain toxic, not constructive, neither someone helpfull for anyone ,just for you and your dick.
Now, go on, post exactly what you said, the mods didnt delete anything at all, you were embarrassed for the things you said, even thought you were still CERTAIN they were true, WHOLEHEARTEDLY, and that is the reason why, in my opinion, you left the discord, right after that argue.

We argued because I said that you people on Discord are part of the problem that's causing the delays, which is exactly what I said in the post you are replying to (among others). And no, I've never blamed "the entire community", just your group of most active Discord members. As I said, some others tried to start an argument before getting shut down by you people.

And are you serious about the comment about judging you after the voice call? You literally told me that you were surprised about how open-minded I was, or something along those lines. You keep on complaining that I rarely spoke with your group afterwards, and that's true, but guess what, my life doesn't revolve around you people. I have other communities I'm part of both offline and online, plus obvious life responsibilities.

I'm sorry you felt betrayed. I truly am. You seemed like a decent dude, but you just cannot be this cligy to people man, come on!

Also I've seen your "discussions" with Koda. Saying that you use leather gloves is an understatement, of course you didn't achieve anything. That guy fucked up so many times that's embarrassing, show some backbone and tell him something he doesn't like to hear! Worse case scenario he quits, and nothing changes for the game.

And stop going around saying that I tell people to stop their pledges. Just like I said on Discord: it's their money, not my business. That never was my point.

Finally, stop playing the victim card man. I remember you clearly calling me a "real piece of shit" multiple times while I was trying to have an adult discussion with actual arguments. You provided nothing to that conversation even though I asked your opinion 2-3 times.

But you won't say that, and why would you? It wouldn't help your case after all. But isn't that what you're accusing me of doing? Get off your high horse.

 

[Alexu]

The art was never great, but it got better, and writing femdom is very hard. 90% of fiction "mistresses" come out as trying WAY too hard, ToT doesn't have that for me. I'd say the writing quality is very good.



We argued because I said that you people on Discord are part of the problem that's causing the delays, which is exactly what I said in the post you are replying to (among others). And no, I've never blamed "the entire community", just your group of most active Discord members. As I said, some others tried to start an argument before getting shut down by you people.

And are you serious about the comment about judging you after the voice call? You literally told me that you were surprised about how open-minded I was, or something along those lines. You keep on complaining that I rarely spoke with your group afterwards, and that's true, but guess what, my life doesn't revolve around you people. I have other communities I'm part of both offline and online, plus obvious life responsibilities.

I'm sorry you felt betrayed. I truly am. You seemed like a decent dude, but you just cannot be this cligy to people man, come on!

Also I've seen your "discussions" with Koda. Saying that you use leather gloves is an understatement, of course you didn't achieve anything. That guy fucked up so many times that's embarrassing, show some backbone and tell him something he doesn't like to hear! Worse case scenario he quits, and nothing changes for the game.

And stop going around saying that I tell people to stop their pledges. Just like I said on Discord: it's their money, not my business. That never was my point.

Finally, stop playing the victim card man. I remember you clearly calling me a "real piece of shit" multiple times while I was trying to have an adult discussion with actual arguments. You provided nothing to that conversation even though I asked your opinion 2-3 times.

But you won't say that, and why would you? It wouldn't help your case after all. But isn't that what you're accusing me of doing? Get off your high horse.

And this is a response to the f95´s comment, not to your phrase at discord, plus all the hatefull shit you´ve been posting since then.
Not a pice of shit, but a judgemental piece of shit, which is slightly different, since it´s something personal between you and me, yes, you were "openminded" at voicecall, DURING the voicecall,(since I did decide to do that, for judging me before, not after) i believe, not to have hard feelings between us, but the moment you blame us for the delays, thats the red line buddy.

And of course, i dont mean you gotta be ACTIVE at discord, but when someone ONLY talks to you to ask for the updates, dude, that is not okay.

The reason why i believe Bo is passionate about the project (dunno Koda) is cause the chats we had, not only during Tot´s development, but wayyyyy back then, used to talk to him at facebook, we had argues cause the plagiarizing, after reflecting, i concluded, i´m a NOONE to talk about that, i´m not concerned AT ALL how hard it has to be developing such game, so maybe plagiarizing is a way to save time (and i´m still not sure about that)
but yeah, DESPITE the delays, i still believe in him, if it turns out they were money grabbing assholes, i´ll post publicly how foolish i was, 0 problems about it!

 

[crimsoncarmine]

Can anyone help me with the order on what attacks Karen has? I tried so much to get through 10+ rounds but it's so hard to figure her pattern out...

 

[Alexu]

Can anyone help me with the order on what attacks Karen has? I tried so much to get through 10+ rounds but it's so hard to figure her pattern out...

punch > grab block
slap grab block gut kick > guard
face kick > insulate
feet > guard

 

[crimsoncarmine]

It depends on her attack


"Boot attack -> Insulation needed to block next attack OR -> Guard needed to block next attack Punch attack -> Grab Block needed to block next attack Slap attack -> Grab Block needed to block next attack Foot in face -> Guard needed to block next attack/ Removes both Guard Block and Insulation Ball kick -> Guard needed to block next attack"

Original Post by HolyLasagna from TOT´s discord.

even with this she is too hard to survive and im only at 12 turn requirement...

 

[Alexu]

even with this she is too hard to survive and im only at 12 turn requirement...

i have edited the comment, maybe it helps ya <3
If not. feel free to PM me here, or add me at discord