VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

There's been an issue with Bennett ever since it was announced that he was being curtailed. We've referenced &/or used this knowledge ever since, for a number of years in real time. At first I couldn't quite understand how there wasn't a bigger outcry about his upcoming departure, until I realised that there's hardly any blackmail followers/fans on this thread, or apparently amongst the paying patrons, at least as far as Bennett is concerned. So, a major storyline with huge potential was to be axed & the reaction was minimal & in some cases, apparently, a cause for celebration.

Now IMO, this goes to show what a great villain had been created, albeit one that didn't suit the young fanbase, (cue Aiden), many of whom possibly recognise aspects of their own current teachers in the sleazy individual. Aiden is 17/18, so whatever people think, it's not realistic to believe that he could be as imaginative as Bennett, with their relative experiences & education. It's just one of several reasons that I wish Bennett could be restored to full participation. Many folks don't like him now but if well-written events could be conjured from the pen of L&P, it's possible that more fans of coerced corruption could be added to the fanbase. He gets results & is a genuine 'love to hate' personality.

As for Don Morello & Larry, I referred from the moment they appeared to the potential solutions to the blackmail problem(s). This was because, a) it was obvious in the context of this type of game/VN & b) it seemed an easy get-out for the writer, which could be activated at any time. I suggest, however, that this wouldn't be especially likely in real life. Sophia visited the prison & did 'whatever' & this was the deal at the time. Morello has the Parkers on his books as debtors. Liam owes him & the Don doesn't owe the Parkers anything except to stick to his word. It wouldn't take much to make the blackmail go away but remember this is business & where's the profit in such action? Sophia is compliant, Liam is up to his neck in debt. They're in no position to request any favours & please don't tell me that the Morellos would do something out of the goodness of their hearts & their appreciation of Sophia....please.

Larry might have a moment of 'charity' with another visit, I suppose but like Bennett, he's on the "not wanted on voyage" list of poll absentees. Where does this leave all the loose ends? So I say, roll on the concert & "Bring Back the Full Bennett."

I don't think Bennett was poorly written, Bennett was supposed to be someone we hate and sure as hell we hated him as person. So L&P did a good job there.

What I feel a strong blackmail storyline with Bennett would do is make Sophia hate all of this. Bennett won't play around like Aiden, he will go straight for sex. Which even if Sophia agrees to will be forced on her. This kind of experience is psychologically scarring, after that writing a scene where your son, or neighbor is trying to get touchy with you can only make it even more repulsive. She would feel so disgusted that even her husband's touch would literally be unbearable.
Aiden's blackmail is gradual and allows Sophia to enjoy it as well, something which Bennett's storyline can't offer.

If this were a game solely for blackmail not containing the other fetishes and routes, Bennett would be a good choice. Morello as an antagonist for blackmail would be even better. But this game has many characters and something extreme can ruin every other route

 

[Hlextor]

I would agree with you but we know that Bennett/Neil and the museum guys have very small parts to play so they where not in the poll, so we could assume(right or wrong)that the other characters not mentioned will also be gone soon.

Yes, but then Janitor Clark should not be in the Poll either. I hardly believe that she will visit him several times for a "shower". Like Janitor Clark, the museum boys are a one-hit wonder.

 

[Old Dog]

Yes, but then Janitor Clark should not be in the Poll either. I hardly believe that she will visit him several times for a "shower". Like Janitor Clark, the museum boys are a one-hit wonder.

All we know about Janitor Clark is that he will have a part to play,what kind of part or how big we have no idea.
Amber and Neil are married and have a daughter called Julia, so why are Amber/Julia in the poll but no sign of Neil?
I was shocked but happy to see that my precious got more votes than Ava Myers as I had not expected that to happen.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

All we know about Janitor Clark is that he will have a part to play,what kind of part or how big we have no idea.
Amber and Neil are married and have a daughter called Julia, so why are Amber/Julia in the poll but no sign of Neil?
I was shocked but happy to see that my precious got more votes than Ava Myers as I had not expected that to happen.

what is the result of the survey?

 

[Hlextor]

All we know about Janitor Clark is that he will have a part to play,what kind of part or how big we have no idea.
Amber and Neil are married and have a daughter called Julia, so why are Amber/Julia in the poll but no sign of Neil?
I was shocked but happy to see that my precious got more votes than Ava Myers as I had not expected that to happen.

I know Clark was a topic sometime in 2018/2019?! Was that a statement from L&P or just a perception from some of us that he will play a role? He won't (be able to) help her with Aiden or Bennet though. And are you really asking now why Neil wasn't in the Poll but Amber and Julia were? Your kidding, right? Amber gets fucked from Dylan and Julia will have more lesbian scenes with Ellie and Sophia. Neil? Who cares?

 

[bayrischman]

Is moving !!!!

aber äusserst langsam. but extremely slowly.

 

[ancienregimele]

I don't think Bennett was poorly written, Bennett was supposed to be someone we hate and sure as hell we hated him as person. So L&P did a good job there.

What I feel a strong blackmail storyline with Bennett would do is make Sophia hate all of this. Bennett won't play around like Aiden, he will go straight for sex. Which even if Sophia agrees to will be forced on her. This kind of experience is psychologically scarring, after that writing a scene where your son, or neighbor is trying to get touchy with you can only make it even more repulsive. She would feel so disgusted that even her husband's touch would literally be unbearable.
Aiden's blackmail is gradual and allows Sophia to enjoy it as well, something which Bennett's storyline can't offer.

If this were a game solely for blackmail not containing the other fetishes and routes, Bennett would be a good choice. Morello as an antagonist for blackmail would be even better. But this game has many characters and something extreme can ruin every other route

I agree up to a point but I had thought of a route where Bennett would have taken his time & enjoyed each incremental step along the way. There's just so much fun he could have had. Those who wish for a more domineering Sophia could have been given the option of a 'hate-fuck.' There might even have been the possibility of her finding this more fulfilling than the sub-par performance Liam seems to deliver.

Those who don't want 'mistress' Sophia (including me...it doesn't suit her at all IMO), could have also been given this option but perhaps at the end of a longer lead-in & certainly with different conversations.

Psychological damage & especially guilt feelings are bound to occur in this story. That has to happen in order for the story to cling onto any vestiges of realism, assuming there's actually going to be some penetrative M or F sexual encounters this side of 2030. Sophia's incredible ability to "re-set" after each event is not one of this tale's better aspects IMO. It possibly would make a massive difference as to how promiscuous Sophia might become, I agree, but for those like me, sex with a blood-relative close family member should be equally, if not more damaging than coerced sex with a blackmailing sleazeball. RL-style realism requires that the feelings mentioned vary in their intensity dependent on how many 'partners', who they are, who took the lead, who finds out....& someone always does, how long/serious was the relationship? etc. Bennett could have 'slotted' (pun intended) right in there, along with the others.

As it stands it's all academic, yet I stll think there's a 90/10 chance of Bennett going further. Should I say I like to think so.

 

[hzjujk]

I agree up to a point but I had thought of a route where Bennett would have taken his time & enjoyed each incremental step along the way. There's just so much fun he could have had. Those who wish for a more domineering Sophia could have been given the option of a 'hate-fuck.' There might even have been the possibility of her finding this more fulfilling than the sub-par performance Liam seems to deliver.

Those who don't want 'mistress' Sophia (including me...it doesn't suit her at all IMO), could have also been given this option but perhaps at the end of a longer lead-in & certainly with different conversations.

Psychological damage & especially guilt feelings are bound to occur in this story. That has to happen in order for the story to cling onto any vestiges of realism, assuming there's actually going to be some penetrative M or F sexual encounters this side of 2030. Sophia's incredible ability to "re-set" after each event is not one of this tale's better aspects IMO. It possibly would make a massive difference as to how promiscuous Sophia might become, I agree, but for those like me, sex with a blood-relative close family member should be equally, if not more damaging than coerced sex with a blackmailing sleazeball. RL-style realism requires that the feelings mentioned vary in their intensity dependent on how many 'partners', who they are, who took the lead, who finds out....& someone always does, how long/serious was the relationship? etc. Bennett could have 'slotted' (pun intended) right in there, along with the others.

As it stands it's all academic, yet I stll think there's a 90/10 chance of Bennett going further. Should I say I like to think so.

As I read this I think the "fashion business" should be a celebration for you and a good substitute for the missed Bennet opportunity.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Yes, it's not a guarantee, but giving into Bennett's blackmail even before approaching the board is what will be stupid. Also Bennett might change the grade but ask to continue these acts so that he doesn't change them back.

Morello is a sure shot solution. One call and Bennett's done for.

I just want to know if we get to watch that last line of yours. The 'sure shot' part.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

For Morello it is about how he is a bit attracted to Sophia as well. He approached her of all at the casino. That's teh whole reason why she even had an option to get rid of the debt in another manner. If someone is being a menace for Sophia, seeing how understanding and gentlemanly Morello has been, it shouldn't be much. After all he just needs to give a phone call.

About Aiden. Thinking from Sophia's perspective," Do I have a way to get rid of Aiden in a way that ensures complete safety for Dylan. Where even if Dylan is alone he is not under threat, No I don't, hence there is no solution." "Is he so big of a threat that even if I send him Patricia and keep him under security, he will still be attacked, no, that is something only Morello is capable of." "So I have no way to solve Aiden issue but I am not helpless. I can send Dylan to them and keep him safe, even though the threat still exists and also restraining orders can be passed against Aiden ( this is something that is mentioned in the game when we choose to involve Carl ).

I won't say that Sophia or us think that is the best option, that is the best option that is made available to us. Which is always basically a Yes or a No. Since L&P or any developer can't account for every possiblity.
I have explained why doing the task is a better choice for now. So she went to Aiden's 3rd task.

Essentially the problem is that this is not a game centred around blackmail. And none of L&P's blackmail are tightly sealed blackmails with no escape. That is intentional in my opinion. He does not want to take the extremes and so has clearly left out ways or provided options to leave them.

Ultimately, there is no blackmail that is escape proof. It is the blackmailer that makes the choices easier to give in to. If someone is willing to take a certain hit but, forever remove the threat, then the blackmailer loses power.

In Aiden's case the solution is boarding school or later in game talk to her best buddy Morello and have a horse head delivered to Aiden's Uncle. He will get the idea real fast no matter how much he thinks he is a big shot lawyer.

In Bennett's case he will need extensive reconstructive knee surgery.

Sophia will be indebted to Morello and it will be a totally different path of corruption. However. the debt would be hers and the guilt hers. Unlike the situation with Liam where he is doing nada and getting his debt cleared. He does not see a consequence except for a few days stress. Something KillJoys is accurate in pointing out.

However, this is not our game. It is L&P's game and he is driving a different car on a different route and we are just sightseers.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I agree up to a point but I had thought of a route where Bennett would have taken his time & enjoyed each incremental step along the way. There's just so much fun he could have had. Those who wish for a more domineering Sophia could have been given the option of a 'hate-fuck.' There might even have been the possibility of her finding this more fulfilling than the sub-par performance Liam seems to deliver.

Those who don't want 'mistress' Sophia (including me...it doesn't suit her at all IMO), could have also been given this option but perhaps at the end of a longer lead-in & certainly with different conversations.

Psychological damage & especially guilt feelings are bound to occur in this story. That has to happen in order for the story to cling onto any vestiges of realism, assuming there's actually going to be some penetrative M or F sexual encounters this side of 2030. Sophia's incredible ability to "re-set" after each event is not one of this tale's better aspects IMO. It possibly would make a massive difference as to how promiscuous Sophia might become, I agree, but for those like me, sex with a blood-relative close family member should be equally, if not more damaging than coerced sex with a blackmailing sleazeball. RL-style realism requires that the feelings mentioned vary in their intensity dependent on how many 'partners', who they are, who took the lead, who finds out....& someone always does, how long/serious was the relationship? etc. Bennett could have 'slotted' (pun intended) right in there, along with the others.

As it stands it's all academic, yet I stll think there's a 90/10 chance of Bennett going further. Should I say I like to think so.

Your point about the psychological damage in case of sex with other characters is something I totally agree with. It is the reason why I am not sure if including sex scenes with guys like Dylan, Sam, Zac, Aiden is a good decision.

Everyone else wants it but I just feel that if he is writing while trying to stay realistic he will have to account for the consequencs and damage. Sex with Dylan is literally a life ruining choice. It forever changes the mother son relationship, the guilt if taken into account can lead to a dead end of the story. The young boys would not want to stop after just one time and are definitely not mature enough to be able to take a step back.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Ultimately, there is no blackmail that is escape proof. It is the blackmailer that makes the choices easier to give in to. If someone is willing to take a certain hit but, forever remove the threat, then the blackmailer loses power.

In Aiden's case the solution is boarding school or later in game talk to her best buddy Morello and have a horse head delivered to Aiden's Uncle. He will get the idea real fast no matter how much he thinks he is a big shot lawyer.

In Bennett's case he will need extensive reconstructive knee surgery.

Sophia will be indebted to Morello and it will be a totally different path of corruption. However. the debt would be hers and the guilt hers. Unlike the situation with Liam where he is doing nada and getting his debt cleared. He does not see a consequence except for a few days stress. Something KillJoys is accurate in pointing out.

However, this is not our game. It is L&P's game and he is driving a different car on a different route and we are just sightseers.

I always believe the boarding school is not a "solution" but a "safety measure". ( Now L&P can't make a storyline showing how Aiden is trying to take down Dylan even at the boarding school in order to back his words to Sophia ). The Aiden threat exists even then. Which also makes sense with the fact that L&P gives two separate solutions for Aiden. At task 4 and later at 9. He always mentions 2 solutions to Aiden, not three, meaning he does not include this as a solution.
( Outside game logic, he had to give his players an option to not play the blackmail route as well, so he made the boarding school route, which also helps people who don't like Dylan. )

 

[ancienregimele]

As I read this I think the "fashion business" should be a celebration for you and a good substitute for the missed Bennet opportunity.

Stopped playing a couple of years ago. I still visit the thread sometimes but couldn't stand the 'grindfest.' Life's too short & I prefer a story with an element of realism & adult themes, however tenuous.

 

[hzjujk]

Stopped playing a couple of years ago. I still visit the thread sometimes but couldn't stand the 'grindfest.' Life's too short & I prefer a story with an elememt of realism & adult themes, however tenuous.

Somehow, based on your previous contributions, I expected exactly this answer from you.

 

[hzjujk]

L&P shows an unbelievable naivety of Sophia and Liam in dealing with the Mafia. From the narrator's point of view, this could mean he doesn't want to give much importance to the whole Morello Path. As far as the realism of history is concerned by L&P, however, this point of view cannot be understood at all. Not if the Parker family owes 400,000 bucks to Morello. But no matter it's L&P story, there is nothing I can do about it, and maybe something will come.
But at the moment it is completely unclear to me how Sophia finds out that Morello, through his brother, now feels obliged to her. The word "Cumae" was used, but I had to goggle the meaning. How would you react if the most powerful mafia boss calls you and tells you he owes you a favor to ask him for a favor. If at the same time you owe the mob boss a large amount of money. Then on the phone would you say "I have a problem with someone"? Or would you reject everything that the mafia lets back into your life? Actually, it would be incredibly naive and unrealistic to let Sophia get involved with it.
As for the choice between Aiden or Bennett. Aiden threatens your son's life / health and appears to have powerful allies. With Aiden, Sophia thinks she can control the situation. Bennett is a direct threat to your son's future and also to Sophia. In real life, the decision wouldn't be that easy. In this game, the developer made the decision for me by shortening the Bennett route. (Which is not to say that I would have decided otherwise than to set Morello on the repulsive pig Bennet.)

 

[Bane71]

Progress Report. Ver. 0.150

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The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
It was relatively fast.
I think if this pace of work continues, we can expect an update by the end of October or the beginning of November.

 

[RockDancer]

The work on the plot with Natalie is over!
It was relatively fast.
I think if this pace of work continues, we can expect an update by the end of October or the beginning of November.

The update might be smaller this time.

 

[Dan5k74]

The work on the plot with Natalie is over!

Let's celebrate!

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[Sabertooth__]

The update might be smaller this time.

What gave you that impression. It's approximately 850 renders at this point.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

The update might be smaller this time.

Per L&P, the update is supposed to be smaller than the last one. This update contains only four events and the current one has six events.

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1) Nathalie 30%
2) Dylan/Ellie 20%
3) Sam 35%
4) Cathy/Andy 15%

but I wouldn't say it would be smaller. It all depends on his render count. If his render count explodes as it did in v1.30, then this update could be just as large as v1.30 with fewer events.