Hlextor

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Incest between Sophia and Dylan, sure. Between Sophia and Ellie, of course. But Sophia and Ellie look at Dylan completely differently. Ellie is practically jumping for joy if he goes to boarding school.
The codes are telling you, no sex between Ellie and Dylan, right? Always your codes. You make me laughing. Don’t forget to choose the right path next pd.
 

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I know Dylan is becoming a "Ninja," but this is no Hobo drinking alcohol that Dylan could take on with 3 days of MMA training. Logan's physique is more about muscle and appears to be in great shape physically. I would think Dylan would have to outwit Logan instead of fighting him, like maybe slashing his car tires. Aiden, IMO, would be a much more believable person to fight and win. A couple of things come to mind about your thought here.

  1. Either Dylan tries to pick a fight, maybe to defend Ellie from something, and loses. This will show Ellie that her brother would defend her no matter the cost.
  2. Or if there is a confrontation and Dylan is on the winning side, He must have used The Hyperbolic Time Chamber for training (DBZ reference) since we are way out of the realm of realism now.
I think the training is more in line with Marie's story, as she likes MMA stuff, and it may lead to a sparring match between Dylan and Marie to find common ground to advance their relationship. However, even the walkthrough shows Dylan's training is for the side story, in which Dylan and Ellie's story started as a side story, but the next P.D. will be a choice between Sophia and Ellie. This tells me that Dylan/Ellie's story will replace Sophia/Dylan's if the reader chooses this path.

Lets not forget that Dylan isn't taking 45 minute Karate classes with Sensei Steve at the local dojo he's training three hours a day with a Navy Seal close quarters combat expert somebody that has likely used those skills to kill in combat situations plus Logan has no way of knowing Dylan is training (or even that he exists) so he has the element of suprise like with the hobos.
 
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Alley_Cat

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Have you not been paying attention to Dylan/Ellie's Side Story? You may want to play Dylan/Ellie Side Story again. You will see Ellie's attitude is starting to change towards Dylan. The is will be Brother and Sister argument, but it seems to be changing now.
Play the bonus storyline again? What makes you think I have played it once? All information I have about it comes from this thread, or from the code. I've openly stated I get out of the Dylan and Sam routes at the basketball game.

But that doesn't matter anyway. If you have a look at both the Ellie and Sam routes, there is evidence on both sides that something might happen between them. Sam admits to finding Ellie attractive when he is talking to Sophia on day 18 in the backyard. And Ellie admits to finding Sam cute during one of the showers, he's just too young. There's nothing in the Ellie route to indicate a change in attitude in her opinion of Dylan.

I'm not saying that Ellie wont relax her disdain for him. Them having an amenable relationship would be a good thing. Only that it wont lead to sex.

That Christine is now in the bonus storyline opens up her as an LI for Dylan. Which I see as ar more likely than anything significant between Dylan and Ellie.
 
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Question for the ITK folks because I have a hard time keeping it straight: is it possible that there's a Dylan/Ellie path and a Sophia/Ellie path in the same play through? Or will they be completely exclusive of each other? Like, say you're on the Sophia+Dylan path, and then Dylan chooses the Ellie path, where does that leave Sophia? I guess I should stop thinking so hard....
I was led to believe that choosing between Sophia and Ellie would work like choosing between Ellie and Alyssa that it wouldn't end a path but just delay one? guess I was wrong.
 

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But that doesn't matter anyway. If you have a look at both the Ellie and Sam routes, there is evidence on both sides that something might happen between them. Sam admits to finding Ellie attractive when he is talking to Sophia on day 18 in the backyard. And Ellie admits to finding Sam cute during one of the showers, he's just too young. There's nothing in the Ellie route to indicate a change in attitude in her opinion of Dylan.

I'm not saying that Ellie wont relax her disdain for him. Them having an amenable relationship would be a good thing. Only that it wont lead to sex.
The day Dylan gets a haircut Ellie is very obviously shocked by her brothers looks and basically does a double take when seeing him so in my opinion she finds him cute at the least and after he fixed her computer she seems to bond with him and is even playful with winking at him at the end of the event. It's really not unreasonable for something to develop between them.
 

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I was led to believe that choosing between Sophia and Ellie would work like choosing between Ellie and Alyssa that it wouldn't end a path but just delay one? guess I was wrong.
It would depend entirely on how many Dylan points you can get during the Sophia/Dylan event. Even if it's just one, then playing the bonus storyline will rule out further Sophia/Dylan, since you generally need maximum relationship points (and more than maximum for the latest Dylan event) in order to continue the routes for the characters.

Plus there are flags that might be missing if you do the bonus storyline.
 
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t3alqdansam

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But, maybe slowing down as well? The latest estimates show the timeline has increased by nearly ten days already...
Pct CompleteFactorPct of Update
Created Scenes30%55%16.50%
Rendered Scenes20%30%6.00%
Art edited with PS5%6%0.30%
Programming & Translation0%9%0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed22.80%
Start Date7/5/2021
Current # Days of Production25
Delay (in days) cuz Bullshit Excuses30
Estimated Completion Date11/21/2021
just moving to the holiday time frame I predicted. Just sayin'!
 
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t3alqdansam

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Well it makes sense that he would slow down. As he moves into the Sam event it's going to require entirely new locations and art. The Natalie event had the advantage of using preexisting locations and art, so it could be done "quickly". Nothing else matters in terms of this update's development speed until we know more about the Sam event. That event absolutely has the potential to drag this update out until 2022.
True. And has he actually taken vacation yet? We do know he took time off after the last update. But, was that his planned vay-cay or just a needed break.
 
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Play the bonus storyline again? What makes you think I have played it once? All information I have about it comes from this thread, or from the code. I've openly stated I get out of the Dylan and Sam routes at the basketball game.
Then why are you making the statement you really do not know about? The code tells you the storyline, but it doesn't show the entire picture. The body language comes from the visual side, which you need to see when you're reading the story.

L&P doesn't lay out the emotional details in his story that often. That's where the visual comes into play.

But that doesn't matter anyway. If you have a look at both the Ellie and Sam routes, there is evidence on both sides that something might happen between them. Sam admits to finding Ellie attractive when he is talking to Sophia on day 18 in the backyard. And Ellie admits to finding Sam cute during one of the showers, he's just too young. There's nothing in the Ellie route to indicate a change in attitude in her opinion of Dylan.

I'm not saying that Ellie wont relax her disdain for him. Them having an amenable relationship would be a good thing. Only that it wont lead to sex.

That Christine is now in the bonus storyline opens up her as an LI for Dylan. Which I see as ar more likely than anything significant between Dylan and Ellie.
Alley_Cat, When you played or if you played Dylan's POV in the Yoga Event. L&P was creating an opening for that hook-up of Dylan and Marie, a love interest pair. However, as the story played out, Dylan looked at all the women in the Yoga event and spied on them, and Patricia made an advance in the touchy-feely department and commented to Dylan about looking at not only her but also Sophia. Also, Dylan has thoughts of a threesome in that car ride home.

The same thing could play out here too. Christine may be a love interest for Dylan, like Marie and Emma, in which Ellie could end up being almost like a little Patricia with some boundaries. I mean, the spa scene with Sophia/Ellie/Patricia should have hinted at that as she was acting like Patricia somewhat. Remember, L&P likes to use the same theme for multiple scenarios. Does the Blackmail theme ring a bell?

I'm not saying that Ellie wont relax her disdain for him. Them having an amenable relationship would be a good thing. Only that it wont lead to sex.
How do you know this??? Unless you have something from L&P saying this doesn't happen or have his script, I would not bet on it.
 
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Lets not forget that Dylan isn't taking 45 minute Karate classes with Sensei Steve at the local dojo he's training three hours a day with a Navy Seal close quarters combat expert somebody that has likely used those skills to kill in combat situations plus Logan has no way of knowing Dylan is training (or even that he exists) so he has the element of suprise like with the hobos.
Basic rules of combat from a Sensei I had (who was in the Olympics for Judo among the seven styles he had black belts).

-- Joe bag of doughnuts loses to a street fighter, Street fighter loses to trained martial artist (trained), Martial artist loses to trained boxer, Boxer loses to trained wrestler.

I won't go into his rationale other than the amount of time listed, 3 hours a day over how many days 2, 4 6, 8... (what happened to his soccer team practice and homework) he has to learn and apply this, is minimal in L&Ps world.

Not seeing it unless Logan is merely a 'little leaf' beefcake and has some 'rhoid issues. Dylan could learn to do basic defense and that is about it. Which may be all he needs as he 'stands up' for Ellie. Just being in the way would be more important to Ellie than kicking Logan's ass. She would see it as way more courageous if 'little Dylan' was not backing down but taking the heat for Ellie.
 
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