Ren'Py 2 Love Genex [P2 v2.1.0] [Reboot Love]

[Finisterrex]

how to get the hearts

You'll be able to get hearts once you tame a girl in the prison.

 

[Finisterrex]

Don't you think that dillutes the love between the two of them, if Kate is falling for another guy? Because, from her perspective, she might love the MC but is now starting to fall for someone else. From her perspective, that would mean she's letting go of the MC, even if in the future she finds out they are the same person it should make her ""colder"" towards the MC, in the sense that she wont act romantically toward him in the time when she still doesnt know they are the same person, since she's actually falling for someone else.

EDIT: Wait, it says Game Dev on your profile, are you the dev for this game?

Hi, yes, I'm the dev.

I really don't think it will cold the love or situation. I believe otherwise... I believe it will make that moment even special. I know we all want for them to know each other's secret, but I also strongly believe that the more it's hidden, the greater it will be when it happens. I'm pretty sure one of them is about to find out, maybe in 0.3.5 if I get to do those 2 or 3 events I need. And then things will change a bit. That will be a game changer for that one, which will understand how everything comes together. Some time after the other one will find out too. Then, the things will became like most games, with a normal relationship, which sounds pretty sad actually.

 

[PervySageKem]

Hi, yes, I'm the dev.

I really don't think it will cold the love or situation. I believe otherwise... I believe it will make that moment even special. I know we all want for them to know each other's secret, but I also strongly believe that the more it's hidden, the greater it will be when it happens. I'm pretty sure one of them is about to find out, maybe in 0.3.5 if I get to do those 2 or 3 events I need. And then things will change a bit. That will be a game changer for that one, which will understand how everything comes together. Some time after the other one will find out too. Then, the things will became like most games, with a normal relationship, which sounds pretty sad actually.

Oh, I didn't know you were the dev! Well, congrats on the cool game!

I see your point. I'm just getting some feelings of jealousy, I don't like the idea of Kate falling in love with another man, it makes it akward for me to like her if she so easily falls in love with a different guy (even if that guy is still me, to her it isnt).

Then, the things will became like most games, with a normal relationship, which sounds pretty sad actually.

Well, you should do what you want with your games! It doesn't need to be sad, you can always spice it up. I was just giving my opinion as a super-jealous guy.

I trust you can keep things interesting, she's best girl for me even though she has almost no scenes.

 

[S1nsational]

Then, the things will became like most games, with a normal relationship, which sounds pretty sad actually.

That's a depressinly toxic attitude. Like are all relationships in this game "sad" then? Because to me the majority of them seem pretty healthy and normal. Not realistic, most of them, but healthy and normal. Not lots of drama.

Normal is good. Healthy is good. Doesn't matter if it's incest or not.

If you want some healthy spice and drama, have the sister become Our sidekick. Hell, considering we seem to have a similar effect on non-GenX girls as we do on GenX girls, I think it'd be cool and interesting if we can not only take powers from people but unlock them in others. So like after fucking the sister she gets powers, maybe something we already have or maybe something new and different.

 

[PervySageKem]

That's a depressinly toxic attitude. Like are all relationships in this game "sad" then? Because to me the majority of them seem pretty healthy and normal. Not realistic, most of them, but healthy and normal. Not lots of drama.

Normal is good. Healthy is good. Doesn't matter if it's incest or not.

If you want some healthy spice and drama, have the sister become Our sidekick. Hell, considering we seem to have a similar effect on non-GenX girls as we do on GenX girls, I think it'd be cool and interesting if we can not only take powers from people but unlock them in others. So like after fucking the sister she gets powers, maybe something we already have or maybe something new and different.

I agree, having a normal/good relationship with the main LI doesn't make it sad...

 

[YogSothoth1982]

If you want some healthy spice and drama, have the sister become Our sidekick. Hell, considering we seem to have a similar effect on non-GenX girls as we do on GenX girls, I think it'd be cool and interesting if we can not only take powers from people but unlock them in others. So like after fucking the sister she gets powers, maybe something we already have or maybe something new and different.

I think that the MC has to be able to control his power at some point: if he wants to steal power, he does, if he doesn't want to steal it, he doesn't. With time he might even be able to duplicate it without having to steal it, or even grant the power (or give it back) even without actually losing it to the MC. There are many options that open up.

 

[S1nsational]

I think that the MC has to be able to control his power at some point: if he wants to steal power, he does, if he doesn't want to steal it, he doesn't. With time he might even be able to duplicate it without having to steal it, or even grant the power (or give it back) even without actually losing it to the MC. There are many options that open up.

Possibly, and I'm not against any of that. I'm simply going off the fact we're an aphrodisiac to all women, not just GenX, our power, so far, has no need to easily seduce normal women. So to me it just makes sense that our power can do something with non-GenX girls if in a different way to GenX.

And of course our power can tell the difference, otherwise it'd have been active from the start not after having sex with a GenX girl.

 

[Finisterrex]

Oh, I didn't know you were the dev! Well, congrats on the cool game!

I see your point. I'm just getting some feelings of jealousy, I don't like the idea of Kate falling in love with another man, it makes it akward for me to like her if she so easily falls in love with a different guy (even if that guy is still me, to her it isnt).



Well, you should do what you want with your games! It doesn't need to be sad, you can always spice it up. I was just giving my opinion as a super-jealous guy.

I trust you can keep things interesting, she's best girl for me even though she has almost no scenes.

Actually, MC is more himself when he's suited, since he can be anything he wants to really be, so, she's really falling for the real one, or that's what I wanted for it to feel like. And I'd like to say, it isn't easy for her actually, she's really struggling with her mixed and hidden feelings, that's why she's having those weird dreams that only confuses her further. Thanks for the words man!

 

[Finisterrex]

Possibly, and I'm not against any of that. I'm simply going off the fact we're an aphrodisiac to all women, not just GenX, our power, so far, has no need to easily seduce normal women. So to me it just makes sense that our power can do something with non-GenX girls if in a different way to GenX.

And of course our power can tell the difference, otherwise it'd have been active from the start not after having sex with a GenX girl.

Spoiler: About non genex girls

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[PervySageKem]

Actually, MC is more himself when he's suited, since he can be anything he wants to really be, so, she's really falling for the real one, or that's what I wanted for it to feel like. And I'd like to say, it isn't easy for her actually, she's really struggling with her mixed and hidden feelings, that's why she's having those weird dreams that only confuses her further. Thanks for the words man!

The MC might be more himself when he's suited, but from Kate's perspective it's someone completely different. That means it could actually be someone else, like one of the other superheroes, and she would also fall in love with them.

Since I don't want a disloyal girl like that, I'll probably ignore her ahahah

The game is still very interesting and good and I look forward for development!

The animations are very crisp, I hope you develop the fights a little bit more aswell. I usually don't like grinding, but fighting in this game feels kinda cool. You should experiment with a thing I saw in a different game: superpowers changing based on the power you use before. For example, if you use Wind power oen turn the next time you use Superstrength it also gives you a speed buff for 3 turns, or if you use Superstrength first the next time you use your Wind power it's like Telekinesis and you throw rocks at the enemy.

I know this isnt an RPG, but it might be cool ahahahah!

 

[Shadowen]

In regards of the "save the girl": Yes, MC knew where the attack was, but Winter's info changed everything, he learn that it was a small attack, and trusting his abilities, he was sure of being able to take down 3 Hingetus, that's why Lynx team and Erick were close, but "not that close".
And he did good, even if it's unknown, them being there, saved a lot of lifes. I thought it was pretty well stated, but I'd have to take a look at the script to check again.

The conversation between Erick/Lynx/Seneko, while setting up for the fight(s), makes it clear that it was the MC who told them exactly where to go. I will concede that it does state that they are close by - and they do talk about where to go after finishing off their current fight, and that they'd be close enough to support each other if/when needed, and he did tell Lynx/Seneko to go aid Erick 1st (as you said, he was confident he could take the 3 Hingetus without needing further help).

Later on, after the whole prison stuff with Foxy, we get confronted with Erick who demanded how we knew exactly where everything would go down. Except the MC wouldn't have known exactly where everything would go down, all bar 1 place. The MC could have reasonably guessed where other incidents were possible to happen.

My assumption was that the MC assumed there would be other fights near where he was, and took a gamble and so asked Erick and Lynx/Seneko to stand guard in places nearby... so if he guessed right there would be an incident near them, then Erick and/or Lynx/Seneko would be there to deal with it.

It's just the way it's presented to the players (based on my memory of it), it seems as if he's acting 100% of actual knowledge - with no mention/thinking prior to the fight when they are waiting that he was guessing/hoping he'd picked right places for them (ie that there would be other Hingetus nearby where he fought, due to the fact it was a widespread attack based from Winter's info).

TBH Not sure how it could be fixed/stated. Maybe a small inner-thought of MC prior to the fight of "I hope I picked right place for E/L/S, they will be close, and due to scale of fight due to W info there should be something there" (or maybe that was there and I've just forgotten)... and combined with them conversing about being close enough... it closes the loop. I guess for me the issue is MC only really focused on his fight, and thankful E/L/S are there, and in the aftermath we only get Erick's POV with a "In a dream bro" as answer for why the exact spot, and the info from W reinforcing the need for asking for help.

 

[5k1n3xt]

Talking about the MC x Kate situation, while I don't outright HATE it or anything, I DO find a little akward tbh, like, sure, let's say the MC is more himself with the mask on, something like him being only 90 or even 85% himself w/o the mask and 100% himself when he's in his hero persona. That doesn't change the fact that she has been living with him from 18 years.

The feelings Kate has for him have been cultivated over a long time, which make it so it doesn't really make sense that just because a slightly more MC version of the MC appeared she's now infatuated with him, same as if you have a girlfriend you love and whom you have spent years with you are not gonna immeadiatly fall in love with a person who has her same personality but a bit better.

Even if she's not really aware of what her feelings for him actually are (or if she's denying it subconsciously due to him being her brother) she still has them somewhere inside her, right? So, while the example of you falling in love with a girl a bit better than your girlfriend doesn't 100% apply due to them not being lovers, it still feels strange that she's ready to give her first kiss to a guy she barely knows w/o thinking even a little bit of the one she has been in love for maybe years now.

Maybe a good way to make that story line less akward would be to add some dialogues of her thinking about Marco while she's doing it and feeling a little guilty but not being sure why she's feeling that way, or some more interactions with her and the MC while he's not in his hero uniform, maybe he does something kind for her? or they go out as a way to thank her for consoling him? and she feels warm while being alongside him, which makes her realize she's feeling the same way she has been feeling while training with hero Marco, which in turn makes her rethink how she feels about him, even if she doesn't fully realise her mental barriers about them being together are slowly falling, due to her recognizing, even if for a second, that the feeling she has about her brother are the same feelings of attraction she has about that hero.

Because right now it feels a bit like if the hero Marco was a real person she would just throw herself at him w/o thinking about her brother who she has been in love for years for even a second while doing so, while it shouldn't be so easy (even if he has the exact same personality that her brother) she doesn't share the same memories with the hero that she does with her brother, she hasn't seen that hero struggle for years to achieve his dream of protecting people, no matter how his own safety may be endangered, she hasn't seen that hero in his most vulnerable state after not being able to save a life, she hasn't seen that hero grow as a person, she hasn't lived her daily life with that hero like she has with her brother, she hasn't shared her hobbies with that hero, she hasn't seen how that hero is with other people, she hasn't seen what that hero enjoys doing. And yet, she feels attracted to him because of what? Because he saved her life? Her brother also put himself at risk for her, even while having no powers. Because he's somehow more her brother than her brother?

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it's almost worse if she has loved him for years, because I can understand it better if she stopped herself from developing feelings for him in the first place just by the taboo of their relationship not allowing it to be, and then when she realises the guy she feel in love was actually her brother all along she also realises that that taboo that stopped her from catching feelings all those years ago don't mean nothing to her anymore. But knowing she did love him beforehand, aware of it or not, and yet she is welling to throw that love away at the first guy that can serve as a replacement to her brother because she can't actually be with the man she shared all those years of her life feels almost as a betrayal, to him, to herself, and to their love.

 

[Finisterrex]

Yes, it may feel that way, but she's also struggling with this. I'm not sure if you played 0.3.0, but she's really confused and having mix feelings about MC and MC Hero. She's starting to realize about her feelings at the same time, that she knows it's impossible. Going behind someone else, may help her overcome the feelings she has for her brother. I'm not saying this is the way or anything, I think all ppl has its own pov and likes/dislikes. Maybe I should have worked their hero story a little more before jumping to a first kiss. But it felt correct at the moment, and I can't undo what's been done.

But I really picture this from her side, she's been always there for him, but she knows it's not happening, he's in another "level" for her. His worries, for her, are saving the world, training and getting better. In most of the scenearios Kate can picture, she's only "The sister of that dude trying to play Heroes and Dragons". She needs to move on, and have her own life. Of course, at the same moment, she wants to be part of his life, that's why she's trying to become something like MC (a Genex without Genex).

Once again, I'm not saying this is the way, but this is the love story I thought for Kate's branch, trying to leave the ordinary sisterly love route from most games I played (which are really only a few, I actually dislike playing VN....but that's another topic).

 

[5k1n3xt]

Yes, it may feel that way, but she's also struggling with this. I'm not sure if you played 0.3.0, but she's really confused and having mix feelings about MC and MC Hero. She's starting to realize about her feelings at the same time, that she knows it's impossible. Going behind someone else, may help her overcome the feelings she has for her brother. I'm not saying this is the way or anything, I think all ppl has its own pov and likes/dislikes. Maybe I should have worked their hero story a little more before jumping to a first kiss. But it felt correct at the moment, and I can't undo what's been done.

But I really picture this from her side, she's been always there for him, but she knows it's not happening, he's in another "level" for her. His worries, for her, are saving the world, training and getting better. In most of the scenearios Kate can picture, she's only "The sister of that dude trying to play Heroes and Dragons". She needs to move on, and have her own life. Of course, at the same moment, she wants to be part of his life, that's why she's trying to become something like MC (a Genex without Genex).

Once again, I'm not saying this is the way, but this is the love story I thought for Kate's branch, trying to leave the ordinary sisterly love route from most games I played (which are really only a few, I actually dislike playing VN....but that's another topic).

The last version I played was 2.52, so sorry if some of my complaints don't apply anymore in 0.3.0, as I didn't play it yet and don't know what happens.

But again, i don't actually dislike how their story unfolds, i think it's interesting for them to get to understand their feelings to each other via them meeting and being attracted to their secret identities. I just feel like it's at least a bit jarring that she doesn't question herself even a little bit earlier, like, going back to the kiss for example:

She goes to that party looking specifically for her brother, she probably wouldn't have even gone there in the first place if it wasn't to try and surprised him with her costume, and yet when she doesn't seem him there she's like "fuck it, guess i'm with the hero now" and the she's 100% ready to kiss him w/o even 1% of regret over having her first kiss with the first random hero she saw doing his job on the street, like, at that point she barely knows him, would she kiss anyone as long as they saved her once and was relatively nice afterwards?

I'm not saying it shouldn't have even happened in the first place, but things like her first reaction after it happens being: "wow, so that's how it feels to kiss someone with superpowers, huh?" Instead of: "shit, should i really have done that? That was my first kiss" or the fact that she doesn't really even hesitate to do it, knowing she's not only in love with another guy, but also completely inexperienced make it feel odd to read.

I think the disconnect of 1- How Kate actually feels (her feelings of thinking her brother is completely off limits and how she's struggling with knowing deep inside her that she can't be with him the way she doesn't even know she wants, but yet wanting to be by his side to support him in whatever he needs as his sister) and 2-The way that it may come off as a reader, originates from a lack of clarity on what's she's thinking at that point, sure, I as a player already came to the conclusion that she's in love with him beforehand, but then when i see he doesn't come to her mind even for a moment when she's flirting with a new guy it just makes me question if I was wrong from the start, I mean, there's no way she's in love with him but she forgets all about him immediatly when he's not literally in front of her eyes, right?

I can almost understand her not thinking too much about it in the heat of the moment with the kiss, sure, I feel like she would have thought a bit more about it, seeing it's her first ever kiss, but alright, it can happen. And yet when she comes to her house hours later she still doesn't think anything about it, her biggest concern is: "How much of my boobs should i include in this photo so he doesn't think i'm a slut and keeps talking to me?". She never questions if she should be flirting with him given she doesn't know him. Or when she's training, she does think a bit about Marco and mentions how she is training to one day help him, but yet the thought never passed her head: "What would Marco think if he knew i'm meeting this guy i barely know, alone in an abandoned warehouse, in an outfit that barely covers me, knowing full well he's interested in me in that way due to all the flirting?"

Again, i haven't played 0.3.0 yet, maybe this issue is completely resolved at this point and we get to see more of her internal struggle, but even then it feels strange that she never thought about these things even a bit earlier in the story, like when she thought to herself "I can't tell him about the hero", maybe it was a missed oportunity for it to be something like: "I can't tell him about the hero he wouldn't understand, I'm meeting with him to be able to help Marco one day, but i know he would worry about me being alone with him......... Wait, what am i thinking? Marco is my brother, he wouldn't be jealous of me like that, would he? Get your head out of the gutter Kate!" instead, you know?

Maybe you completely disagree with me, it is understandable after all, as you said, different people may have completely different points of view, and thus I'm not saying these issues I see are something that you have to fix, as it may not even be an issue for you + this is one of my favourite games in this site at the moment, so I wouldn't want you to feel pressured to develop certain story lines in the future while trying to mind what other people may think about them and limiting yourself thanks to it. What i'm trying to convey is why this specifc part of the game feels strange to me and why I think some people may have the same feelings I have about it. Not trying to say that what I think may be better for some dialogues is actually better for the whole story, as I don't have the whole information of how it will unfold, who knows, maybe if she did start questioning things a bit earlier it would end up making the story less compelling in a way? Something like players asking themselves: "Oh, if Kate know her brother may dislike her meeting with the hero why doesn't she just ask him in the first place???"

 

[KingWeWuz]

Yeah, funnily enough, the Kate situation struck me as a bizarre case of mc accidentally pseudo-ntring himself. To some, this might be comedy gold, but for me, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[bobdillan]

Yes, it may feel that way, but she's also struggling with this. I'm not sure if you played 0.3.0, but she's really confused and having mix feelings about MC and MC Hero. She's starting to realize about her feelings at the same time, that she knows it's impossible. Going behind someone else, may help her overcome the feelings she has for her brother. I'm not saying this is the way or anything, I think all ppl has its own pov and likes/dislikes. Maybe I should have worked their hero story a little more before jumping to a first kiss. But it felt correct at the moment, and I can't undo what's been done.

But I really picture this from her side, she's been always there for him, but she knows it's not happening, he's in another "level" for her. His worries, for her, are saving the world, training and getting better. In most of the scenearios Kate can picture, she's only "The sister of that dude trying to play Heroes and Dragons". She needs to move on, and have her own life. Of course, at the same moment, she wants to be part of his life, that's why she's trying to become something like MC (a Genex without Genex).

Once again, I'm not saying this is the way, but this is the love story I thought for Kate's branch, trying to leave the ordinary sisterly love route from most games I played (which are really only a few, I actually dislike playing VN....but that's another topic).

You need to be careful with that though, because the hero IS a mask. And it is quite shallow if you have her story become someone falling in love with the mask and not the person.

And people will hate it (as you can already see there are problems with that). So you need to have a good look at her story and see how you can improve it, because if people are already feeling that way... well it is already a problem.

You want the whole story to flow neatly, so you gotta curate each step. You know her side, but the player doesn't so you have to look at it as if you don't and how the player would see it.

And drama and fuckery isn't something people love, so if its purpose is only for drama I would cut it.

Also an important note: People control their response to their emotions, and if you have her make too many choices acting upon the ones that make her look bad... people will simply hate her, that is unavoidable. And while it might not be physical, emotional cheating and attention cheating is a very real thing for the female side, and that is likely how players will feel, even though hero is MC she doesn't know that, so it matters.

So be very careful for that, since that can kill that character for many, and since it is an incest character could kill the game for them too.

 

[bobdillan]

Finisterrex Seperate from the previous comment, what is the multiple penetration tag there for?

Also in regards to sharing content will the incest characters have anything like that or MC only? (is a dealbreaker for me even if optional cause ruins those chars personalities tbh since they would be shared).

 

[PervySageKem]

You need to be careful with that though, because the hero IS a mask. And it is quite shallow if you have her story become someone falling in love with the mask and not the person.

And people will hate it (as you can already see there are problems with that). So you need to have a good look at her story and see how you can improve it, because if people are already feeling that way... well it is already a problem.

You want the whole story to flow neatly, so you gotta curate each step. You know her side, but the player doesn't so you have to look at it as if you don't and how the player would see it.

And drama and fuckery isn't something people love, so if its purpose is only for drama I would cut it.

Also an important note: People control their response to their emotions, and if you have her make too many choices acting upon the ones that make her look bad... people will simply hate her, that is unavoidable. And while it might not be physical, emotional cheating and attention cheating is a very real thing for the female side, and that is likely how players will feel, even though hero is MC she doesn't know that, so it matters.

So be very careful for that, since that can kill that character for many, and since it is an incest character could kill the game for them too.

Talking about the MC x Kate situation, while I don't outright HATE it or anything, I DO find a little akward tbh, like, sure, let's say the MC is more himself with the mask on, something like him being only 90 or even 85% himself w/o the mask and 100% himself when he's in his hero persona. That doesn't change the fact that she has been living with him from 18 years.

The feelings Kate has for him have been cultivated over a long time, which make it so it doesn't really make sense that just because a slightly more MC version of the MC appeared she's now infatuated with him, same as if you have a girlfriend you love and whom you have spent years with you are not gonna immeadiatly fall in love with a person who has her same personality but a bit better.

Even if she's not really aware of what her feelings for him actually are (or if she's denying it subconsciously due to him being her brother) she still has them somewhere inside her, right? So, while the example of you falling in love with a girl a bit better than your girlfriend doesn't 100% apply due to them not being lovers, it still feels strange that she's ready to give her first kiss to a guy she barely knows w/o thinking even a little bit of the one she has been in love for maybe years now.

Maybe a good way to make that story line less akward would be to add some dialogues of her thinking about Marco while she's doing it and feeling a little guilty but not being sure why she's feeling that way, or some more interactions with her and the MC while he's not in his hero uniform, maybe he does something kind for her? or they go out as a way to thank her for consoling him? and she feels warm while being alongside him, which makes her realize she's feeling the same way she has been feeling while training with hero Marco, which in turn makes her rethink how she feels about him, even if she doesn't fully realise her mental barriers about them being together are slowly falling, due to her recognizing, even if for a second, that the feeling she has about her brother are the same feelings of attraction she has about that hero.

Because right now it feels a bit like if the hero Marco was a real person she would just throw herself at him w/o thinking about her brother who she has been in love for years for even a second while doing so, while it shouldn't be so easy (even if he has the exact same personality that her brother) she doesn't share the same memories with the hero that she does with her brother, she hasn't seen that hero struggle for years to achieve his dream of protecting people, no matter how his own safety may be endangered, she hasn't seen that hero in his most vulnerable state after not being able to save a life, she hasn't seen that hero grow as a person, she hasn't lived her daily life with that hero like she has with her brother, she hasn't shared her hobbies with that hero, she hasn't seen how that hero is with other people, she hasn't seen what that hero enjoys doing. And yet, she feels attracted to him because of what? Because he saved her life? Her brother also put himself at risk for her, even while having no powers. Because he's somehow more her brother than her brother?

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it's almost worse if she has loved him for years, because I can understand it better if she stopped herself from developing feelings for him in the first place just by the taboo of their relationship not allowing it to be, and then when she realises the guy she feel in love was actually her brother all along she also realises that that taboo that stopped her from catching feelings all those years ago don't mean nothing to her anymore. But knowing she did love him beforehand, aware of it or not, and yet she is welling to throw that love away at the first guy that can serve as a replacement to her brother because she can't actually be with the man she shared all those years of her life feels almost as a betrayal, to him, to herself, and to their love.

Yeah, funnily enough, the Kate situation struck me as a bizarre case of mc accidentally pseudo-ntring himself. To some, this might be comedy gold, but for me, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Amen brothers, good to know I'm not the only one that thinks this Kate situation is making her less enjoyable / likeable by the fans. Like KingWeWuz said, it's basically the MC NTRing himself, she is disregarding her feelings for the MC to fall in love with someone else. The fact that the person is still the MC doesnt change anything, because it could've just as easily not been the MC and she was falling for someone else.

That's why I never choose her to kiss on the party, the idea of her first kiss not being with the MC feels really, really bad.

EDIT: Before someone accuses me, I'm not trying to pressure the dev into doing a game he doesn't want to do, I'm just trying to expose our point of view.

If you say NTR/Sharing is in the game and is avoidable, then you should make it possible for this situation to be avoidable. If you don't add a tag to a game, or if you add a tag and say it's avoidable, then you can't make that content unavoidable...

 

[Finisterrex]

Finisterrex Seperate from the previous comment, what is the multiple penetration tag there for?

Also in regards to sharing content will the incest characters have anything like that or MC only? (is a dealbreaker for me even if optional cause ruins those chars personalities tbh since they would be shared).

If you activate Sharing Options, you'll be presented with the choice to share a girl, most of the times it will mean You + The male present + the girl present. So, you will decided if you get to get sharing options, and share, or not or not getting them at all. Important to mention, sharing is an option, meaning, if you don't share or if you have it disabled, the game won't skip a part of the game, it just won't be a part of the game, girls won't act like if they been shared because they weren't.

But, the multiple penetration tag doesn't mean sharing or similar. MC will have a way to do that all by himself in the future, once again, player choice (when he acquire the abilty he needs to do it)

 

[bobdillan]

Amen brothers, good to know I'm not the only one that thinks this Kate situation is making her less enjoyable / likeable by the fans. Like KingWeWuz said, it's basically the MC NTRing himself, she is disregarding her feelings for the MC to fall in love with someone else. The fact that the person is still the MC doesnt change anything, because it could've just as easily not been the MC and she was falling for someone else.

That's why I never choose her to kiss on the party, the idea of her first kiss not being with the MC feels really, really bad.

To add to this, something else I thought about: Since she is willing to move onto someone who is more MC than MC as dev put it, then all that tells the player is that she will jump to any more MC than MC dude that ever comes along... and given probabilities and how the world works that is 100% likely and thus MC is in for inevitable NTR.

Something else to add Finisterrex tagging because this is extremely important, when a woman truly loves a man, no other man exists to them, they dislike the idea of spending time with other men, they don't want to be around other men, what they want is to be with the man they love, they won't care if it is for a shitty coffee at maccas, or just a stroll in the park, or being on the phone for 3 hours just listening to his voice (I now this one from personal experience.. and also learned the lesson to not listen to women's advice about women too XD "She is into older guys" and thus my two working braincells stopped working correctly and decided she was indeed correct and this chick that would regularly listen intently to me for 3 hours talking about mundane ass shit, was not interested in me at all).

So the simple fact she starts "falling" for MC as a hero not knowing it is MC... is a plothole in of itself, because it implies that she never truly loved MC in that way, because if she did, she wouldn't look at another man until she had truly moved on. I can also speak of this fact.. because I knew a guy who's sister does feel about him this way, and she has never truly been with another guy, she had "boyfriends" but she never actually did anything with them and was just to try and get him to stop her and bring her back (hence she never touched them because she was only for him).
So the mind game stuff was there, but the actually falling for someone else was not, she still loathed the idea of being with someone else.

So if the char does start "falling" for other guys... it's because they didn't truly love him in the first place, now there might be momentary attraction, but one can easily choose to act on it or not, and if they choose to act, that is cheating (if they are in a relationship, but given this is a VN game it still counts, whether or not that "other guy" is secretly MC, is still MC NTRing himself).