VN Ren'Py 30 Days [v0.4b] [AllNatural]

[AllNatural939]

Starting with the topic of forced choices, which was even discussed here a while ago... There isn’t a single game that doesn’t make you do things according to the needs of the story.

Thats a joke right? you cant be serious with such a comment.....theres a shitload of stories where you deside every thing where you can freely pick who to have relationships with, who to fuck, who to make pregnant or not, thats what a visual novel is supposed to be....having narrative branches meaning

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branching storylines, which frequently use multiple branching storylines to achieve

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, allowing non-linear freedom of choice along the way, similar to a

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novel....some is just a copy/paste from wiki since im to lazzy to write it all.....

In an adult novel to me personaly and alot of others, the most importen aspect is the relationships and sex part, meaning freedom of choice unless its a kinetic novel and you simply just dont have any freedom in this, its more in-line with kinetic/linear when it comes to sex and thats what i hate and no its not just Emma saying theres alot of points to be had from sex she has nothing to do with it, its due to no matter which route you pick at the start with the 2 girls (bad route? i think) or if you turn them down, both routes has forced sex scenes which makes it a fuckfest with forced harems and that im just not into.

I know you cant give freedom of choice with 18 girls at the start i know it would take a billion renders due to any combos of 4 girls and all that shit, but you could very easy give the choice to not have sex with someone and not force a single sex scene, it comes down to what your plan is, if its to make a fuckfest competition like Emma talks about or a choice driven survival game in the hunger games style with a mutant twist, but sadly it looks like you went the fuckfest route.

To me main plot would be to get out alive and side plot is due to them being mutants but call it main plot it dosent really change anything, i dident skip anything untill it started forcing relationship/sex scenes then i did since i dont like kinetic/linear games.

And you're overlooking one of the most important choices... If you pick the wrong option, MC can die. What’s Kinetic about that?... Are you completely sure you actually played before reviewing?.

Thats called fake choices which is commen in linear/kinetic novels where you have no real choice and no i never saw that or i would have warned people about fake choices as well since that will always be an idiotic thing to have in a game, i tried both routes and never saw MC getting killed, i dont try out every single choice in every game who would? so never saw that.

No, this is absolutely not a joke. The thing is, you see sex everywhere, and I’m not just talking about sex. And on the other hand, YES, there’s already a branch here that’s different from the original, though later both branches will merge again... and in the future, several more will split off. I’ve said from the start on my Patreon that this will have multiple endings… The problem is that you’re looking at this as sex, sex, sex, sex, as if it were already finished, when we haven’t even reached the end of DAY ONE out of THIRTY. But well, it’s inevitable that people analyze things based on what they personally like or don’t like, without being objective.


Why have I forced two sex scenes? Simple. They are an essential part of the story. Linda and having sex with her are extremely important to the story’s development, and there’s no way I would include an option to skip it. Anyone paying attention to the dialogue could understand why.
The sex scene with Emma is also important to the story, and I can’t say why because I’m not going to spoil more than necessary.


WTF... I was reading in parts before replying, and I read something that convinced me... you're crazy. Well, that's on you. This is the last thing I'll say, and I'm leaving for good.

"Thats called fake choices which is commen in linear/kinetic novels where you have no real choice and no i never saw that or i would have warned people about fake choices as well since that will always be an idiotic thing to have in a game, i tried both routes and never saw MC getting killed"


When it comes to volunteering or not: If you don’t volunteer, nothing happens—that’s the option any sane person would take. But, if you do volunteer, a variable immediately activates with a 50% chance of being either zero or one. If it’s zero, nothing happens. If it’s one, after about 10 minutes, the MC dies for being an idiot and not thinking.
Either way, if you volunteer, the dialogue in the scene changes right away and isn’t the same as when you don’t. And it’s not just a one or two line change... If you think that’s a fake choice, then you’re seriously missing a screw. See? If I don’t give choices, you don’t like it. If I do give choices, you don’t like it either. Hahaha.

Bye. See you in two or three months.

 

[Walter Victor]

No, this is absolutely not a joke. The thing is, you see sex everywhere, and I’m not just talking about sex. And on the other hand, YES, there’s already a branch here that’s different from the original, though later both branches will merge again... and in the future, several more will split off. I’ve said from the start on my Patreon that this will have multiple endings… The problem is that you’re looking at this as sex, sex, sex, sex, as if it were already finished, when we haven’t even reached the end of DAY ONE out of THIRTY. But well, it’s inevitable that people analyze things based on what they personally like or don’t like, without being objective.


Why have I forced two sex scenes? Simple. They are an essential part of the story. Linda and having sex with her are extremely important to the story’s development, and there’s no way I would include an option to skip it. Anyone paying attention to the dialogue could understand why.
The sex scene with Emma is also important to the story, and I can’t say why because I’m not going to spoil more than necessary.


WTF... I was reading in parts before replying, and I read something that convinced me... you're crazy. Well, that's on you. This is the last thing I'll say, and I'm leaving for good.

"Thats called fake choices which is commen in linear/kinetic novels where you have no real choice and no i never saw that or i would have warned people about fake choices as well since that will always be an idiotic thing to have in a game, i tried both routes and never saw MC getting killed"


When it comes to volunteering or not: If you don’t volunteer, nothing happens—that’s the option any sane person would take. But, if you do volunteer, a variable immediately activates with a 50% chance of being either zero or one. If it’s zero, nothing happens. If it’s one, after about 10 minutes, the MC dies for being an idiot and not thinking.
Either way, if you volunteer, the dialogue in the scene changes right away and isn’t the same as when you don’t. And it’s not just a one or two line change... If you think that’s a fake choice, then you’re seriously missing a screw. See? If I don’t give choices, you don’t like it. If I do give choices, you don’t like it either. Hahaha.

Bye. See you in two or three months.

I have no idea why you were so upset about that post. That's because I have that individual on ignore. You might consider that option; it might save you some grief. Arguing with trolls is pointless.

 

[Canto Forte]

This is a horror concept, just like SAW or Squid game - movies and shows where characters are suddenly and swiftly killed or punished with incomprehensible and total prejudice. Frustration and dismay is the intended shock value, so arguing with players who feel these emotions while playing this game and expressing their disdain once the game is over is pointless and contrary to the game substance.

Any and all gore oriented game designers, producers, coders, visual artists eat this up and call it as the pit falls of any well made game: the emotionallly draining shock oriented hienous acts depicted in their games have a strong and lingering emotional impact on their audience (rape, murder, regicide, parricide, child molestation in GOT and house of the dragon, and those acts going utterly unpunished and Karma never reversing, those carefully depicted horrible deeds are painstakingly exacerbated in great graphic gory detail, yet they are the norm in those shows: nobody is arguing about these heinous acts for being something anyone should accept in their lives, ever)

 

[MikesDK]

No, this is absolutely not a joke. The thing is, you see sex everywhere, and I’m not just talking about sex. And on the other hand, YES, there’s already a branch here that’s different from the original, though later both branches will merge again... and in the future, several more will split off. I’ve said from the start on my Patreon that this will have multiple endings… The problem is that you’re looking at this as sex, sex, sex, sex, as if it were already finished, when we haven’t even reached the end of DAY ONE out of THIRTY. But well, it’s inevitable that people analyze things based on what they personally like or don’t like, without being objective.


Why have I forced two sex scenes? Simple. They are an essential part of the story. Linda and having sex with her are extremely important to the story’s development, and there’s no way I would include an option to skip it. Anyone paying attention to the dialogue could understand why.
The sex scene with Emma is also important to the story, and I can’t say why because I’m not going to spoil more than necessary.


WTF... I was reading in parts before replying, and I read something that convinced me... you're crazy. Well, that's on you. This is the last thing I'll say, and I'm leaving for good.

"Thats called fake choices which is commen in linear/kinetic novels where you have no real choice and no i never saw that or i would have warned people about fake choices as well since that will always be an idiotic thing to have in a game, i tried both routes and never saw MC getting killed"


When it comes to volunteering or not: If you don’t volunteer, nothing happens—that’s the option any sane person would take. But, if you do volunteer, a variable immediately activates with a 50% chance of being either zero or one. If it’s zero, nothing happens. If it’s one, after about 10 minutes, the MC dies for being an idiot and not thinking.
Either way, if you volunteer, the dialogue in the scene changes right away and isn’t the same as when you don’t. And it’s not just a one or two line change... If you think that’s a fake choice, then you’re seriously missing a screw. See? If I don’t give choices, you don’t like it. If I do give choices, you don’t like it either. Hahaha.

Bye. See you in two or three months.

I dont see it as sex sex sex.....i dont care if theres a shitload of sex or barely any sex aslong as its a choice thats the hole point and when you make it forced from the very first day its already to late to undo the feeling of a fuckfest game, forcing players to fuck someone they might hate in one way or another can kill the hole game even before it gets started, alot of players dont mind it since they play all games like fuck everything that moves, i do not....i like story alot more then just the sex part, not that i dont enjoy good sex scenes.

But well, it’s inevitable that people analyze things based on what they personally like or don’t like, without being objective.

Thats the only way you can analyze things and you cant really be objective on my point, its either forced sex or not, it can only be one or the other, could the game become choice driven later sure but it wont help much if players are already turned off by forced girls and sex scenes, also im not a fan of the sex being importen for the story, why whatever is planed cant be done as just being friends but has to have sex is a very stupid move since it will alienate all players who dont like Emma or whoever else is forced on them, also the "has to have sex to gain power kind of plots" has been so overused and feels like a childish way to just add sex scenes, no clue if thats why they have to fuck in this one but it will proberly be something like that.

Also i did volunteer but nothing happend i even tried that a second time and nothing happened, well outside a girl getting killed ofc which was close to that time as well i belive.

And no you wont see me in a few months, so dont worry about that and be happy since you wont hear from me again
Once ive rated a game i normaly dont go into the forums and before downloading games i always check my rating to see if i should try it agan or not at a later date, the only reason im even in this forum is due to you typing in my name and i got the alert for it and it dosent feel right to just ignore that.

 

[siath70]

I dont see it as sex sex sex.....i dont care if theres a shitload of sex or barely any sex aslong as its a choice thats the hole point and when you make it forced from the very first day its already to late to undo the feeling of a fuckfest game, forcing players to fuck someone they might hate in one way or another can kill the hole game even before it gets started, alot of players dont mind it since they play all games like fuck everything that moves, i do not....i like story alot more then just the sex part, not that i dont enjoy good sex scenes.

But well, it’s inevitable that people analyze things based on what they personally like or don’t like, without being objective.

Thats the only way you can analyze things and you cant really be objective on my point, its either forced sex or not, it can only be one or the other, could the game become choice driven later sure but it wont help much if players are already turned off by forced girls and sex scenes, also im not a fan of the sex being importen for the story, why whatever is planed cant be done as just being friends but has to have sex is a very stupid move since it will alienate all players who dont like Emma or whoever else is forced on them, also the "has to have sex to gain power kind of plots" has been so overused and feels like a childish way to just add sex scenes, no clue if thats why they have to fuck in this one but it will proberly be something like that.

Also i did volunteer but nothing happend i even tried that a second time and nothing happened, well outside a girl getting killed ofc which was close to that time as well i belive.

And no you wont see me in a few months, so dont worry about that and be happy since you wont hear from me again
Once ive rated a game i normaly dont go into the forums and before downloading games i always check my rating to see if i should try it agan or not at a later date, the only reason im even in this forum is due to you typing in my name and i got the alert for it and it dosent feel right to just ignore that.

All stories, even if they're flooded with choices that actually go somewhere, have forced scenes you can't avoid to push the story forward.

I like choices more than anyone, but even I have to accept sometimes you have to force things to push the story along.
I mean the dev could have just gave you a choice to fuck Linda or not and if you didn't you died (flash forward in time to see the MC's death at a later point in the game).
Could have also given you the choice to fuck Emma or not, and again flash forward where the girls lose their trust in the MC's and he dies.
I've seen many games do this.

But it wouldn't change the fact you would have to go back and choose to fuck either one of them.

To the Dev:
I for one like the story, and yes the sex in the story. So, keep up the great work! I am interest in where this will end up. I have played both paths and each one is great depending on how you want to play.

 

[Orlox]

I was pretty disappointed that we couldn't really see the actual sex in the sex scene with Emma. I'd rather have fewer positions and being able to actually see the penetration and the MC cumming inside than some kind of softcore montage that doesn't show anything.

 

[AllNatural939]

I was pretty disappointed that we couldn't really see the actual sex in the sex scene with Emma. I'd rather have fewer positions and being able to actually see the penetration and the MC cumming inside than some kind of softcore montage that doesn't show anything.

Things don’t always go the way you plan. You might have something all figured out, then decide to change it... The scene was supposed to be longer, but I had to cut it short because I ran out of time.
I don’t like making people wait too long between updates, and honestly, since I'm just starting out, the less time I take, the better it is to gain more followers... That’s why I always set myself deadlines. No one asked me to—I did it on my own. My rule is an update every 3 months max... This one took longer than expected because my computer died—literally. I had to scrape up some money and build a new one fast. Ended up borrowing from a relative.
Then Christmas came around with everything that brings. On top of that, I’ve got a real-life job that’s usually part-time, but during that period it turned into almost full-time for two weeks... All of this was rendered on a GTX 1050 with just 2GB. You know how long it took to render just one of the sex scenes—just one of the 8 animations (granted, the longest one)? Over 25 hours of real-time... Even so, this is the biggest update so far, with over 700 images. Rendering the animations added something like 800 extra images, but they’re not counted as “images” since they’re part of the animations (videos).
Life throws stuff at you sometimes, and you just gotta adapt. That’s why the scene turned out the way it did—and not any other way. I fell way behind, but it was all because of stuff out of my hands.
That’s the misunderstood life of a dev. You might dream up something really cool, and then hit a wall trying to make it happen—and suddenly you gotta rethink everything. It’s all about adapting or dying...
Anyway, I’ve got an RTX 3060 now for rendering. My current rig is way more powerful than what I had back then, so at some point after update 0.6, I’m gonna redo a bunch of the animations... But it won’t be anything drastic. Mostly just to boost the quality and fix small stuff—it’s not about changing the core of those scenes.
So yeah, the first time with Emma will stay as it is, ‘cause I need to keep things consistent with what I’ve already done.

 

[AllNatural939]

Oh right, on that note, this is version 0.5... see? Time and a few more resources really make a difference...

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[Niels Holgersson]

When can we await a new update? Getting rather impatient, can't wait to see how the story continues.

 

[AllNatural939]

When can we await a new update? Getting rather impatient, can't wait to see how the story continues.

Version 0.5 should be ready in two weeks max (for patrons), and I'll release it here for everyone a month later

 

[nutka]

Oh right, on that note, this is version 0.5... see? Time and a few more resources really make a difference...

please don't misunderstand me, but in my eyes animations don't contribute much to the development of the story. And if you have limited resources then animations should be at the very end of the rendering pipeline. Maybe in a future version… I for one am more grateful for a good story with well staged emotions and facial expressions than repetitive motion. I always fall off my chair when I think about how many images there are in a second and multiply that by the time of an animation. I don't know when it was established, but RenPy games used to be some simple graphics of the characters with a fancy background and a good story. Now it's single unique renderings per line of dialog with movie sequences … and all the fans are asking when it's ready.

I noticed something about your game that I didn't notice before. Long, drawn-out transitions between dialog scenes with a few renderings that radiate calm or try to calm down the violence of a blatant scene beforehand. I particularly like this in your game and actually like it more than synthetic human movement that hasn't been created with motion capture. I should have written earlier and not now, after you have worked wonders with limited stone age hardware.

Please don't let my chatter dissuade you from your artistic vision, though. I just want to say that sometimes less is more. And praise you and thank you for your original work.

Maybe one more idea: maybe use $ renpy.pause(0.25, hard = True) for this transition scenes (0.25 is a little bit extreme but 3 seconds would seem right). It's strange to click on next (image) in a scene like walking or transporting a corpse away.

 

[AllNatural939]

please don't misunderstand me, but in my eyes animations don't contribute much to the development of the story. And if you have limited resources then animations should be at the very end of the rendering pipeline. Maybe in a future version… I for one am more grateful for a good story with well staged emotions and facial expressions than repetitive motion. I always fall off my chair when I think about how many images there are in a second and multiply that by the time of an animation. I don't know when it was established, but RenPy games used to be some simple graphics of the characters with a fancy background and a good story. Now it's single unique renderings per line of dialog with movie sequences … and all the fans are asking when it's ready.

I noticed something about your game that I didn't notice before. Long, drawn-out transitions between dialog scenes with a few renderings that radiate calm or try to calm down the violence of a blatant scene beforehand. I particularly like this in your game and actually like it more than synthetic human movement that hasn't been created with motion capture. I should have written earlier and not now, after you have worked wonders with limited stone age hardware.

Please don't let my chatter dissuade you from your artistic vision, though. I just want to say that sometimes less is more. And praise you and thank you for your original work.

Maybe one more idea: maybe use $ renpy.pause(0.25, hard = True) for this transition scenes (0.25 is a little bit extreme but 3 seconds would seem right). It's strange to click on next (image) in a scene like walking or transporting a corpse away.

Speaking as a player, I personally don't care much about animations. I appreciate it when they're decent or better, and I hate it when they're just plain bad... You can never please everyone with this. Some people want animations, others don't... And the thing is, most devs are just one-person teams doing everything, without the money to 'bring in' someone else. So it all depends on me alone, and the only way to get good at something is by practicing, over and over. That obviously applies to animations too... I have to render thousands of images and I can't practice making animations that won't go into the game. So I can only practice within my own game... And that can be a problem, because a lot of people see this as a finished product and don’t stop to think it's still in development. I'm not just speaking from personal experience — it's something I see all the time. It happens to all of us. Most games on F95 are still in that stage, and people judge them like they're already finished.
For example, I’ve planned to redo several animations to fix some issues and, more importantly, to render them in better quality now that I can. I also still need to convert a few of the early ones I did in RenPy into actual videos. That’ll happen after I finish version 0.6, and my Patrons have known this for a while.
A few months ago, I also went through all the text to improve it and make it sound more natural for English speakers.
Nothing you see right now is 100% final — or maybe it is... that’s what 'in development' means...

About the pauses, especially in that scene you mentioned... there's no need to press anything. Just let it play out — the scene flows on its own. I haven’t added any 'infinite pause' anywhere. That specific scene has variable pauses, but most of them are just one second between images. I’m not going to redo the timing, because that would mean rushing something that was designed to be experienced exactly the way it is.

And please, don’t take this as me criticizing your feedback (which, by the way, is totally valid and well-written), it’s just my point of view on a few things.