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Thanks loads, that will have taken you a while to pen down. I'm no game developer, you will have guessed that, but often can't be satisfied with just playing games so I take some time thinking about how they're made. Not entirely different than imagining you're engaging with an author while reading a book. 4th wall breaking and all that. It's great to get a sobering insight into the toils of actually making something happen like the the scenes one may think of, let alone a coherent story and game. TBH I never pondered on the trouble of making 3dcg visuals. I guess Ren'Py makes it particularly important, as the text per screen is much more limited than what you get with other engines, especially those more geared towards text like twine/sc and qsp. My only attempt to develop anything was in qsp, using "real porn" - which makes it doubly easier compared to ren'py. I noticed some ren'py authors circumvent part of the trouble by reutilising sprites instead of rendering a unique scene each screen change. May seem lazy, but it works, when you have a lot of text, to have sprites with different poses and expressions that let you change something on the screen when the text changes without having to create an entirely new render. "Shattered" comes to mind, that endless wall of (great) text. Only full renders are sexy scenes, if memory doesn't fail me.
If you ever decide to poke around Ren'py (or just watch some tutorials), you'll find that the "standard" process is actually just what you mentioned: static backgrounds with character sprite overlays. In fact, a good chunk of the screen language that it uses is dedicated just to that, and is set up to to layer compositing (such as having a base character, and then multiple expressions that can easily be changed without reloading anything else) to streamline the art development even more and dramatically reduce the number of unique renders needed. Remember that it was originally designed for pure visual novels, so the core of the engine was built around the needs of narrative and dialogue.
Then, of course, the wonderful degenerates of the internet got ahold of it, took DAZ (originally just a content creator for Poser, which was really just intended to be an artist's tool to replace reference mannequins), and hit the ground running like they stole something (they did, we did, and everyone is still giddy about it).
The sprite style of Ren'py games definitely has its place, in that it provides a more "interactive" seeming style of play (generally more movement on-screen because of the sprites sliding/popping in and out, and those style of games are generally heavier on the dialogue), but for the AVN market, in my opinion at least, AFV's style of fully rendered scenes to drive the story is far more engaging. It might be a bit metric fucktonne more work, but the visual payoff is huge. As strenif mentioned above, if you ever decide to start dabbling with DAZ, it can be a lot of fun, and very rewarding. There's a massive asset release thread here on F95 (because we're dirty, dirty pirates), and you can find more at Shadowcore, render-state, and several other sites if you really get into it (and have a couple spare hard drives lying around).

This is how I ended up developing AFV with Will btw.

Went from fan, to making story suggestions, to learning DAZ so I could do fan art, to being a part of the team once my DAZ skills were up to par.
All because I wasn't satisfied with just playing the game =D

It's very rewarding if you ever decide to dip your toe into these waters.
I've always wondered how you managed to sneak your way on board lol. I remember seeing your renders start popping up in the fanart thread a few years ago when I was a solid lurker, and the next thing I knew, you were officially working on AFV. Honestly, I hold you and Will personally responsible for recently getting me into DAZ and deciding to make my own game, so thank you for all the sleepless nights and hours of cursing all the control sliders in Golden Palace. Like, seriously, why are vaginas so fucking complicated? You know you've spent too much time in DAZ when you start looking at porn frame by frame just to figure out how everything is supposed to move :ROFLMAO:
 
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strenif

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Haha. I know exactly what you mean.
I was very hesitate at first because I knew I'd start looking at every h-game with a critical eye instead of just enjoying the game. Sure enough, I did.

"Oh, I like that trash bag assets they used here."
"Ugh, the lighting could be better."
"Her tits look weird in that shot, they should have used a different camera angle."
 

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Haha. I know exactly what you mean.
I was very hesitate at first because I knew I'd start looking at every h-game with a critical eye instead of just enjoying the game. Sure enough, I did.

"Oh, I like that trash bag assets they used here."
"Ugh, the lighting could be better."
"Her tits look weird in that shot, they should have used a different camera angle."
But that's how it goes when you're on the other side of the fence. I love reading, especially sci-fi. I love good stories, no matter the genre and it's easy to say yay or nay about a story until you actually begin dabbling into writing. Then you have to learn things like story outlines, protagonist/antagonist backgrounds, plot set-ups, formatting, central conflicts, and dozen of other things. When you're on the inside and see just how much work is involved, you learn to appreciate those folks that can pull off a great story and make it look seamless. This applies to other RL jobs. It's easy to say, "Why don't you (fill in the blank)" when you don't understand what it takes to do something successfully. That's why I can appreciate and support the great devs, artists, writers, and modders out there. To quote a wrestling character in the old days, "Pimping ain't easy."
 
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Bro the walkthrough for this game is either wrong or i am braindead,if you dont go for romance on the first date with mom,you are basically stuck in the infinite loop of having sex with her on every date.
 

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Haha. I know exactly what you mean.
I was very hesitate at first because I knew I'd start looking at every h-game with a critical eye instead of just enjoying the game. Sure enough, I did.

"Oh, I like that trash bag assets they used here."
"Ugh, the lighting could be better."
"Her tits look weird in that shot, they should have used a different camera angle."
Trash bag asset???? WHERE? I NEEDZ DAT! ..for like...something...maybe?...yeah Oh ye olde gods, I'm coming to realize that I'm a total asset hoarder now that I'm working with DAZ. Lighting is its own little nightmare when I start thinking about volumetrics now. And tits? I used to think that girls were great because they were soft and smelled good. Now I feel like I need an advanced physics degree just to understand why a nipple looks like it's mocking me. Curse you, DAZ. And bless you to the bottom of your digital heart.

But that's how it goes when you're on the other side of the fence. I love reading, especially sci-fi. I love good stories, no matter the genre and it's easy to say yay or nay about a story until you actually begin dabbling into writing. Then you have to learn things like story outlines, protagonist/antagonist backgrounds, plot set-ups, formatting, central conflicts, and dozen of other things. When you're on the inside and see just how much work is involved, you learn to appreciate those folks that can pull off a great story and make it look seamless. This applies to other RL jobs. It's easy to say, "Why don't you (fill in the blank)" when you don't understand what it takes to do something successfully. That's why I can appreciate and support the great devs, artists, writers, and modders out there. To quote a wrestling character in the old days, "Pimping ain't easy."
I couldn't agree more. I grew up immersed in books, but it wasn't until I started writing (and then took some actual classes, which changed my entire thought process) that I really started to understand how difficult it is to build a world and then have characters living on the damn thing. Everything seems to look easy from the outside, whether it's writing, game development, or waiting tables. It's not until you start to understand what's actually required to make those things happen (and make sense) that you truly start to appreciate them for what they truly are.
That's really the primary reason that I appreciate AFV so much. There's a solid core behind the story that doesn't rely a slew of MacGuffins (Google it...everyone knows what they are, even if they don't know the term), and even though the "world" is small in terms of scope, it's well thought out and ties into itself well. There's enough character depth that the MC and LIs aren't just I R WALKING PENIS and I HAS VAGINAZ THING, which everyone has seen too many times. One of the greatest things a creator of any kind can do is to make their audience actually care about their creations. It's not an easy thing, but I think AFV has managed to pull that one off pretty well, and not just for the MC. Look through these forums, and you'll find plenty of examples of people who are looking to play the game without "upsetting" various characters, or they want to do quite the opposite. That...right there...is good writing, and should be lauded for the effort and creativity it requires.

Less Talk, more enjoy.
Time for an update, else this chan goes (more) nuts. ;)
Oy! We all want an update to enjoy. Personally, I'm hoping for an eventual Kenzie/Mandy/Lauren/MC/maybe the entire fucking swim team and cheerleading squad (just not Matt because fuck Matt) sexfest, but we'll all have to be patient to see what/how/when that does or doesn't happen. For now, the more we discuss the game and what goes into it drives how many people support the development (I would hope), and maybe gets us some of those updates a little quicker.
Not at all disparaging your comment...really just riding its coattails to voice how much I, and I'm sure many other people, are itching for another update, too. Give the devs time. They actually care about the quality of the game and not just the number of renders with tits, which is one of the things that sets AFV apart from so many other h-games.
 

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I am running in circles at this point. I'm tired of trying to complete these other objectives to get the collection over with. Are there some mandatory ones you need to get done first? I gave money and put up perfect posters for weeks and then saw that it said to let her start to lag behind for a couple of weeks to see what she would do. Now I'm back to donating money every week and putting up posters to trigger this election but cannot get it to start on Friday mornings in class. What exactly do I have to do to get out of this loop?
 

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I am running in circles at this point. I'm tired of trying to complete these other objectives to get the collection over with. Are there some mandatory ones you need to get done first? I gave money and put up perfect posters for weeks and then saw that it said to let her start to lag behind for a couple of weeks to see what she would do. Now I'm back to donating money every week and putting up posters to trigger this election but cannot get it to start on Friday mornings in class. What exactly do I have to do to get out of this loop?
To end the election, go to class on Friday morning.
Unless you are on an NTR run, make sure you have won over the School Board member and got his support to change the school uniforms.
 

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To end the election, go to class on Friday morning.
Unless you are on an NTR run, make sure you have won over the School Board member and got his support to change the school uniforms.
I kind of made mixed choices throughout so I don't know which route I'm on. How do I get the option to talk to school board members?

And I do thank you for the assistance
 

strenif

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I kind of made mixed choices throughout so I don't know which route I'm on. How do I get the option to talk to school board members?

And I do thank you for the assistance
If you're talking to Lauren in the HQ, she'll give you a status update on what to do next.
Make sure Mandy has moved in and transferred schools to yours (if she's sleeping with Lauren at night she has).
Make sure you've shown Megan the footage Diaz helped you get of Matt cheating on her.
Talk to the school board member and then have breakfast and tell Jacky about meeting with him.

There's a walk through linked in to OP if you want a step by step guide.
 

MrRick

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If you're talking to Lauren in the HQ, she'll give you a status update on what to do next.
Make sure Mandy has moved in and transferred schools to yours (if she's sleeping with Lauren at night she has).
Make sure you've shown Megan the footage Diaz helped you get of Matt cheating on her.
Talk to the school board member and then have breakfast and tell Jacky about meeting with him.

There's a walk through linked in to OP if you want a step by step guide.
Oh yeah Mandy is already transferred to the school. I keep going to the meetings but I haven't seen nothing about meeting with an official though. My problem with looking at the guide is I'm so far into it and passed some of those parts that I can't even tell which part I should be looking at to get back on track
 

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Oh yeah Mandy is already transferred to the school. I keep going to the meetings but I haven't seen nothing about meeting with an official though. My problem with looking at the guide is I'm so far into it and passed some of those parts that I can't even tell which part I should be looking at to get back on track
Post your save and I'll get it to the end of the election.
 

MrRick

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Post your save and I'll get it to the end of the election.
I'm playing on Android. Don't even know how to do that. Lol. I'd say you've already gone above and beyond to help me out. I'll keep trying to make some different choices in it to see if I can trigger something
 

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I'm playing on Android. Don't even know how to do that. Lol. I'd say you've already gone above and beyond to help me out. I'll keep trying to make some different choices in it to see if I can trigger something
Okay. Well you can always pay Matt 4k to get him to throw the election. If you're sick of it just go to class on a friday morning and end the event.
 
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Okay. Well you can always pay Matt 4k to get him to throw the election. If you're sick of it just go to class on a friday morning and end the event.
When I go to classes on Friday morning there's no option except for attend class. Where are you supposed to talk to matt?
 
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