A gay element in netorare

[ChadChan3D]

You mean the kind of lesbian ntr that ntr fags claim is not real ntr and always complain when the tags is added because of it?? Because they cant get it up with it?

Male and female netorare might as well be different fetishes:

• Male netorare is pain; suffering, misery, anger and frustration.
• Female netorare is pleasure; empowerment, desireability, success.

A man is basically worthless in male NTR while he is supremely valuable in female NTR. Furthermore, male NTR has elements of misogyny (women are whores), while female NTR has elements of femdom (women call the shots).

This thread and its attempt to typecast NTR readers as closeted gays misses the point.

Deep at their core, most fetishes are combinations of pain and pleasure.

Sexuality, age, race and everything else are then layered ontop. It's a more complicated discussion than you want to make it.

 

[ChadChan3D]

I could probably enjoy the sadomasochistic aspect of it if the content was focused on the relationship between the MC and the woman instead of being a nonstop barrage of "look at his big cock".

Straight men look up "big cocks" in their porn searches, across all websites, ten times more than women do (Book: "A Billion Wicked Thoughts").

It's a misconception that girls care about big dicks; men love to see big dicks.

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on this very observation.

But why's that? Are straight men lowkey gay? In the same way OP suggests that straight men who like NTR are actually faggots?

Nope. It doesn't make sense that straight men are gay.

What makes more sense is that males, whose sexual organ is a penis, associate sex with penises. Think of it this way: You're a hammer. You love looking at nails but for you to relate you wanna see a big hammer whacking those nails.

Association and familiarity explains a big part of it. Men want to put their penises into vaginas; they don't really care to see vaginas so much as they want to visualize what it's like to penetrate a vagina. And for that, you need dicks.

Men also want to compete. When a man is shooting ropes, most men feel compelled to shoot ropes too so that their sperm can outswim the other guy's sperm up the girl's uterus. It's why men can stay hard waiting their turn in gangbangs.

But would OP say straight men in gangbangs are gay men? Is everything and everyone gay?

There's way richer discussions to have when you observe sexual behavior without judging it.

But when you write threads like these you push a conclusion you've already reached as the truth for everyone else: "NTR is a gay man's fetish." Nonsense!

This very behavior is the reason so many porn games suck. We're making erotica without being conscious of the erotic feeling we're trying to capture with pixels and text.

 

[EvilLadyKitten]

There are gay NTR lovers. They tend toward sissification stories as those have clear male-on-male sexual interaction.

But what's your need to pigeon-hole a fetish like this? It must be gay because it's a fetish that you dislike? Are you old enough to be on adult forums?

Next mindblowing thread by OP: "Woman want to be raped because they have rape fetishes!"

if you read any of my other comments you would know i don't say gay i say bisexual and never in a negative way it's just a fact and one i would love they accept more so i can fuck them like i do their wife the only one thats sees negativity in saying gay is you not me

 

[Chinel]

Straight men look up "big cocks" in their porn searches, across all websites, ten times more than women do (Book: "A Billion Wicked Thoughts").

It's a misconception that girls care about big dicks; men love to see big dicks.

Comedian

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on this very observation.

But why's that? Are straight men lowkey gay? In the same way OP suggests that straight men who like NTR are actually faggots?

Nope. It doesn't make sense that straight men are gay.

No one is saying gays are faggots, that is a judgement you seem to be making.
Now I wonder why that is your first thought...

What makes more sense is that males, whose sexual organ is a penis, associate sex with penises. Think of it this way: You're a hammer. You love looking at nails but for you to relate you wanna see a big hammer whacking those nails.

Association and familiarity explains a big part of it. Men want to put their penises into vaginas; they don't really care to see vaginas so much as they want to visualize what it's like to penetrate a vagina. And for that, you need dicks.

There's also a competitive element to seeing hard cocks: Men want to compete. When a man is shooting ropes, most men feel compelled to shoot ropes too so that their sperm can outswim the other guy's sperm up the girl's uterus. It's why men can stay hard waiting their turn in gangbangs.

But would OP say straight men in gangbangs are gay men? Is everything and everyone gay?

There's way richer discussions to have when you observe sexual behavior without judging it. You discover truth.

Lots of claims here.
Could you please bring up some sources? Because I don't think men have sex because 'Must get a woman pregnant'.
That...requires a lot of evidence, hell. I know people who have sex and they don't have it thinking about kids or feeling like having kids.
The only ones who do are those trying for kids or Christians...

But when you write threads like these you push a conclusion you've already reached as the truth for everyone else: "NTR is a gay man's fetish." Nonsense!

This very behavior is the reason so many porn games suck. We're making erotica without being conscious of the erotic feeling we're trying to capture with pixels and text.

You could argue it is nonsense.
Problem is when you have elements such as making a guy drink another guy's cum without him knowing.

...if you think there is not a gay element in there...then...I don't know.

 

[BangB420]

If you are on F95Zone, you are gay

 

[Death Panda]

No one is saying gays are faggots

Obviously not, because unlike "NTR is gay" that is self-evident and requires no mental gymnastics.

Because I don't think men have sex because 'Must get a woman pregnant'.

Now I can't tell if you are intentionally trolling or not.

 

[ChadChan3D]

Lots of claims here.
Could you please bring up some sources? Because I don't think men have sex because 'Must get a woman pregnant'.

I cited my source. Every claim I made in that post is knowledge gained from the sex research book,

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[Yngling]

I don't think it is that.
It is simply dehumanization of the enemy.
If you see them as a 'horde' of rapists, hating will be easier. There are no humans, only things to be crushed and destroyed.

And sincerely? I think the desire to destroy and kill is what actually drive that desire, there is a certain pleasure in bloodshed, not any desire for sex.

There is definitely something animalistic in any kind of sex.

In some ways, porn (that is, a movie which is just showing the sex scene, without story or context) is also dehumanising.
Actual people have reasons why they have sex with another person.

 

[Chinel]

There is definitely something animalistic in any kind of sex.

In some ways, porn (that is, a movie which is just showing the sex scene, without story or context) is also dehumanising.
Actual people have reasons why they have sex with another person.

There might be.

The issue is that go further in that side, and you might have something sexual, but I doubt anyone would like it.

But there is something I would like to talk about dehumanization here. There is a differencr between porn/sexuality/desire/fetishism and dehumanization to disgust/hatred/indifference/callousness and dehumanization.

As an example? Japanese War Crimes in Asia. Oh indeed they raped the Chinese, in ways that none NTR Artist or Porn Game maker would reproduce out of how fucked up and evil it was (play soccer with a baby's dead corpse? Or throwing a baby on fireplace and laughing about it?), but when you read their memories of the events?

During sex they would 'see' them as 'human', but in a 'relief' sort of manner. A certain kind of fetishization I would say.

After sex? Pure disgust. They were 'pigs' and unlike in a porn game where that means 'fuck her more'?

They would just kill them, by driving knives into them and other sort of insane shit so evil (google it up if you wanna see a picture of a woman who had a glass bottle shoved inside her and then broken...it is...well...disturbing to say at least) that you wonder how were they even human. All because 'after sex, they were pigs to be slaughtered'.

There is an specific reason why I am wary of such comparisons. Those women were not kept alive, and gods weren't those soldiers utter monsters...very animalistic.

 

[Yngling]

There might be.

The issue is that go further in that side, and you might have something sexual, but I doubt anyone would like it.

But there is something I would like to talk about dehumanization here. There is a differencr between porn/sexuality/desire/fetishism and dehumanization to disgust/hatred/indifference/callousness and dehumanization.

As an example? Japanese War Crimes in Asia. Oh indeed they raped the Chinese, in ways that none NTR Artist or Porn Game maker would reproduce out of how fucked up and evil it was (play soccer with a baby's dead corpse? Or throwing a baby on fireplace and laughing about it?), but when you read their memories of the events?

During sex they would 'see' them as 'human', but in a 'relief' sort of manner. A certain kind of fetishization I would say.

After sex? Pure disgust. They were 'pigs' and unlike in a porn game where that means 'fuck her more'?

They would just kill them, by driving knives into them and other sort of insane shit so evil (google it up if you wanna see a picture of a woman who had a glass bottle shoved inside her and then broken...it is...well...disturbing to say at least) that you wonder how were they even human. All because 'after sex, they were pigs to be slaughtered'.

There is an specific reason why I am wary of such comparisons. Those women were not kept alive, and gods weren't those soldiers utter monsters...very animalistic.

Horrible stuff for sure.

But I am not sure the example you make is a good one. In this particular example, the fetish-lust and the disgust-hate seem to be combined or at least close to each other.

I think that these two are not so far removed from each other as you seem to believe. For example, in the case of NTR, but also sometimes in the case of BBC, Vore, Horror Porn etc. People are disgusted by what they see, but at the same time also aroused.

But obviously as opposed to war crimes, these fetishes are generally "enjoyed" from the "safety" of a person's tablet / PC / phone, and nobody is actually hurt.

 

[zilkin]

Next mindblowing thread by OP: "Woman want to be raped because they have rape fetishes!"

Some of them.... but like I say there is rape and then there is "rape". They want to be "raped".

 

[Chinel]

Some of them.... but like I say there is rape and then there is "rape". They want to be "raped".

You mean 'ravished'. NTR rape is 'ravish', it isn't the same thing.

I mean, being desired is a position of relative power, hence why I state that NTR loses its 'punch' if MC gets someone else, at least for female readers or even male, although it depends on who is reading...although I will like mainly because well...

Gods, it is all about ego that it is hilarious.

 

[EvilLadyKitten]

This has gone out of track of the topic , the topic was how much Netorare fans want their asses filled and stretched with a thick cock but are to scared of being the cheap bitches they truly are and we ended up talking about bullshit

 

[zilkin]

This has gone out of track of the topic , the topic was how much Netorare fans want their asses filled and stretched with a thick cock but are to scared of being the cheap bitches they truly are and we ended up talking about bullshit

Some ntr fans are not aware of their gay homo desires, it is all in subconscious and will not be manifested as what you want, openly gay sex. Some are bi and want the gay action.

 

[EvilLadyKitten]

Some ntr fans are not aware of their gay homo desires, it is all in subconscious and will not be manifested as what you want, openly gay sex. Some are bi and want the gay action.

Poor things

 

[Deleted member 9938671]

I have been thinking about this when I was writing my netorare game, that there is an underlying gay element to netorare (or could be just me). I was writing from the point of the view of the fat ugly bastard who is about to steal the girl and he was commenting on how sexy she is and how the cute boy she is with doesn't deserve her. How he is gonna make him cry and so on... I don't remember the exact details but the point was it was as much about the boy almost as it was about the girl.
That is when I realised there is a gay element to netorare which is making yourself submissive if you are a cuck or making the other guy submissive if you are a bull. There doesn't have to be direct sex involved but it is still pretty gay psychologically.
What are your opinions?
Similar to gay sex in prisons to assert dominance, in netorare the villain is not directly fucking the guy but indirectly through his girl as the extension of the guy who is being cucked. So there is a homoerotic dimension here, in my opinion.

Any sane person would say this, OP. It just means you've ascended.

 

[zilkin]

Any sane person would say this, OP. It just means you've ascended.

I still like netorare lol.

 

[Zakharova]

I still like netorare lol.

Indeed, a narrative progression that's almost never seen in NTR games is the cuckold boyfriend becoming fascinated with the rival bull's dominance and ending up falling in love, getting transformed into a beautiful, effeminate sissy as a way to catch the 'bull's' attention and keep living with the stolen girlfriend. I hope it becomes a trend!

 

[zilkin]

Indeed, a narrative progression that's almost never seen in NTR games is the cuckold boyfriend becoming fascinated with the rival bull's dominance and ending up falling in love, getting transformed into a beautiful, effeminate sissy as a way to catch the 'bull's' attention and keep living with the stolen girlfriend. I hope it becomes a trend!

That is actually popular in mainstream pornos with real actors, but I'm not gay so I'm not into cuck doing gay shit with the bull lol. In a lot of pornos titles are like "cuck sisy serves bull" and so on. They lean a lot more into the gay thing of cuckoldry. I like to watch amateur cheating videos a lot where it's just a woman cheating on her partner with some piece of shit.

 

[eaudecologne]

That is actually popular in mainstream pornos with real actors, but I'm not gay so I'm not into cuck doing gay shit with the bull lol. In a lot of pornos titles are like "cuck sisy serves bull" and so on. They lean a lot more into the gay thing of cuckoldry. I like to watch amateur cheating videos a lot where it's just a woman cheating on her partner with some piece of shit.

Well yeah but it's not really gay is it? Like the bull isn't into the guy, he's hard because of the woman and the cuck just happens to suck him off a little bit because the gf says so I think. Or like cleaning up the woman's pussy after sex, is that gay?