Ren'Py A House in the Rift [v0.7.15r3] [Zanith]

[MoarDakka123]

I sometimes pick jerk choices just to see the reactions and have a laugh, but never really go through with them. I always roll back and do it properly. As for Lyriel, I most likely could never bring myself to be mean to her

Ditto, dialogue is so good that I always save at the start of an event, try the options, then feel like shit whenever I pick the mean choices

 

[Cartageno]

I can agree. Not always, but quite often it really is worth it to go through all possible permutations. Especially with Lyriel and Cait.

 

[Master of Puppets]

So, does anyone know why could this traceback error happen? During Lyriel's and Naomi's argument, right after you you can hug Cait

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That's some kind of problem with the system that decides where each girl is at what times. Only ZanithOne can fix that I'd say. It would help him if you post your save file and let us know if it was a new one or one brought forwards from an earlier version.

 

[Eugie]

It's a new save file from version 5.5r1

Event happens when you go to the Living Room and gives that error right after it.

Edit: I also thought it was due to Naomi's training events but it happens even after them

 

[DanglyBang]

ZanithOne
Okay, I figured out the problem with my error not starting the game.
Ren'Py can't deal with special characters like the checkmark ✓ I use on the parent folder name within which I place the game updates, because it's mentally castrated. As soon as I remove the checkmark, the game starts up fine. I had it happen again with another Ren'Py game with checkmark and connected the dots.
So, putting special characters into folder names of Ren'Py games on Windows 10 results in an error where the game can't start. You can add that as a caution or something. I use checkmark to label games which I've placed in my big list of recommended games.

 

[QQP_Purple]

Why would you use anything but alphanumeric characters in file names anyway? That's just...

I mean, as a professional software developer I applaud your ability to deliberately find the most imaginative possible ways to break windows. But like... well....

Forget it. I applaud your insane creativity. Like that's such a good test case that I can only tip my hat to it.

Have you considered a carrier in software testing?

 

[MashUp47]

DanglyBang b
Why not disable the check box in windows 10? or are you using a Tablet?

 

[DanglyBang]

Why would you use anything but alphanumeric characters in file names anyway? That's just...

I mean, as a professional software developer I applaud your ability to deliberately find the most imaginative possible ways to break windows. But like... well....

Forget it. I applaud your insane creativity. Like that's such a good test case that I can only tip my hat to it.

Have you considered a carrier in software testing?

I know a few alt-codes in the back of my brain so I gathered why not use a checkmark in the folder name to basically visually tag which games I put into my signature list. Windows doesn't ban the checkmark character like it does slashes and : and | and ? in file naming, so I gathered it shouldn't be a problem. I just didn't expect the machine spirit of Windows 10 or Ren'Py would have such great PTSD at the sight of it probably reminding it of its school days. Alas.

DanglyBang b
Why not disable the check box in windows 10? or are you using a Tablet?

I don't know what you mean, it's the ASCII checkmark character in the folder name which is the problem.

 

[Cartageno]

I know a few alt-codes in the back of my brain so I gathered why not use a checkmark in the folder name to basically visually tag which games I put into my signature list. Windows doesn't ban the checkmark character like it does slashes and : and | and ? in file naming, so I gathered it shouldn't be a problem. I just didn't expect the machine spirit of Windows 10 or Ren'Py would have such great PTSD at the sight of it probably reminding it of its school days. Alas.


I don't know what you mean, it's the ASCII checkmark character in the folder name which is the problem.

Well, Windows can display Unicode but doesn't work with it so it uses a different internal name than display name. This might cause some problems, similar ones are known for actual language signs, like Japanese characters on a non Japanese computer.

It's your best bet to go with 7 bit ASCII (still almost 96 signs to choose from - first 32 are non usable, some are used by Windows itself). 8 bit ASCII should be fine in most cases, too. Beyond that - wouldn't try it. And the checkmark isn't part of either if you mean what I think you mean (can't really see anything in the picture, the joys of getting old include "brownish red on brownish orange is indecipherable").

 

[QQP_Purple]

You know something else that's fun? Windows only allows file names (full path) to go up to 256 characters. So beware of long folder names and deep nesting.

 

[DanglyBang]

Well, Windows can display Unicode but doesn't work with it so it uses a different internal name than display name. This might cause some problems, similar ones are known for actual language signs, like Japanese characters on a non Japanese computer.

It's your best bet to go with 7 bit ASCII (still almost 96 signs to choose from - first 32 are non usable, some are used by Windows itself). 8 bit ASCII should be fine in most cases, too. Beyond that - wouldn't try it. And the checkmark isn't part of either if you mean what I think you mean (can't really see anything in the picture, the joys of getting old include "brownish red on brownish orange is indecipherable").

Thanks for info. Signature pic is me fucking with Stylus and styling web pages, that's why I linked to the post with game links and list in full.
God I hate Windows. Remember when you could change the font color on desktop icons and folders, and then they disabled it because, and this is an official nonsense statement, they found that "the default font color contrasts the best with some wallpapers hurrp durrp", when in reality they don't know how their own registry system works anymore at Microsoft and have basically turned into a parody of the 40k Mechanicus. Anyway, to slide away from off-topic, time to go back to fixing the orc waifu to be more assertive .

 

[zerdeca]

I know a few alt-codes in the back of my brain so I gathered why not use a checkmark in the folder name to basically visually tag which games I put into my signature list. Windows doesn't ban the checkmark character like it does slashes and : and | and ? in file naming, so I gathered it shouldn't be a problem. I just didn't expect the machine spirit of Windows 10 or Ren'Py would have such great PTSD at the sight of it probably reminding it of its school days. Alas.

You could customize the folder icon for each game as an alternative. I just checked and there's a few checkmark icons available by default but you could always add a custom one if none of the options are what you want.

Right click -> Properties -> Customize -> Change icon

 

[Master of Puppets]

Why would you use anything but alphanumeric characters in file names anyway? That's just...

I mean, as a professional software developer I applaud your ability to deliberately find the most imaginative possible ways to break windows. But like... well....

Forget it. I applaud your insane creativity. Like that's such a good test case that I can only tip my hat to it.

Have you considered a carrier in software testing?

What's really fun is that Renpy shits the bed if you have a colon character anywhere in the path when you try to run it. That's an actual key on the keyboard, and is in the name of a number of games...

 

[kvier]

Ren'Py would have such great PTSD at the sight of it probably reminding it of its school days.

Ren'Py is python2, and python2 has Problems with unicode.

What's really fun is that Renpy shits the bed if you have a colon character anywhere in the path when you try to run it.

That's a Windows problem, not a ren'py problem.

Doesn't matter whose fault it is, if it still doesn't work.

 

[Master of Puppets]

That's a Windows problem, not a ren'py problem.

I don't use Windows.

 

[Dayswithoutincident69]

been loading old saves and continued playing didn't know the new game had new animations and (sort of) interactions. NOICE

if only I wasn't some 3rd world fucker I'd be a patron.

 

[Cierne]

She was never going to be turned into a slave. She has a fetish for that kind of thing which was reflected in her dreams, and I expect we will get some less vanilla scenes with her later on, but come on dude; she wanted us to be gentle for her first time.

Eh don't think she's got a fetish for it, that seems to have been mostly low self-esteem, especially since she thought the people back home hated her.
Plus from what I remember Zanith says she's mostly just really horny, if you want slave stuff I think that's where Yona comes in.

 

[Aerrae]

I need Lyriel to go to Yona's room to progress her story but she never goes there. Do I have to interact with Yona too? I'd prefer not to personally.

 

[ciderapple]

In a game that, to me, seems to be largely built around the characters and their social interactions? I have to disagree, I think their wants are very important.

The fictional character is not potentially paying the developer of the game real money. One of the big draws of these games is to at least have the illusion of choice for the player. To introduce a potential line of the story and then have it go absolutely nowhere feels disengenous to the player base.

Remember how pissed people were at the end of mass effect 3? The reason for that was the illusion of choice was entirely broken at the end of the story. It generated such a huge negative response that the developers eventually added extra things to the end of the game so that the players choices throughout the series would be better respected, and the community responded positively to that change. Choice is important, if you put it in your game, try to respect the choices the player might choose and have them actually matter. Or don't and people are likely to be unhappy. That's the way it is.

And if you happen to not like that choice, then don't pick it. But don't try to make an argument for why it shouldn't even appear in the story when the option was obviously worked into the game for it to have worked out in another way.

 

[MoarDakka123]

The fictional character is not potentially paying the developer of the game real money. One of the big draws of these games is to at least have the illusion of choice for the player. To introduce a potential line of the story and then have it go absolutely nowhere feels disengenous to the player base.

Zanith to me seems to have, at the very least, a modicum of artistic integrity, so I definitely think the wants of the characters matter.

Now, I didn't scroll back so I might be missing some context from your conversation, but if you wanted go straight into brutal slave-fucking then the content is already there in, like, three different scenes, one of them having two branches, another four or five or something like that, and then there's the pillory scene. And if you're asserting that Lyriel should actually become a slave for MC then you are, frankly, stunningly tone-deaf, because that has not been hinted at and does not at all fit in to the story. It's a kink that will be (and has been) catered to, and that's as far as you should read in to it.

As for the scene with a bunch of branches, that is to my recollection a Patreon-only scene so it exists solely because Zanith is already being paid real money, so citing that as a reason to completely veer away from the established narrative is just... eek.