Ren'Py A House in the Rift [v0.7.15r3] [Zanith]

[mrttao]

You seem to be insisting however that they need to go back to their former life exactly as it was.

No, I am not.
I am arguing against the claim that the anchor is making them unhappy, and it is doing so by "keeping" them away from returning to their "old lives".

But they can still go back to their old world and their general old ways to varying degrees with a varying amount of work to be done beforehand.

"Varying amount of work" is... just such a gross under statement it is not even funny.
Aside from Rae (can return easily. but was really unhappy with her old life).

The other 4 require you to conjure up a miracle before they would even consider returning.
You do in fact manage to conjure up a miracle for Cait, but by the time you conjure said miracle for her she is no longer unhappy and does not wish to return. (because it is better for her to be the grand apprentice of an archmage instead of mass education)

It is honestly quite a coincidence that Rae's teacher is an archmage in good standing from Cait's college. Who is willing to use nepotism to solve her problem.

 

[Cartageno]

The only thing I saw was the claim that the anchor is what is preventing them from permanently returning to their own realms. Which it is.
Not seen someone claiming the anchor as being the cause of their unhappiness?
Cartageno stated that the girls were "decidely not happy yet" & that they "long for a possibility to go back to their old lives".
This does not claim that the anchor is the source of their unhappiness.

However I can ease things up by making the claim now: being anchored is one source (not the source as in one and only mind you) to their unhappiness as I perceive it.

No, I am not.
I am arguing against the claim that the anchor is making them unhappy, and it is doing so by "keeping" them away from returning to their "old lives".

But you argue by stating that this person is dead and that person is hunted and so forth. Which is true but completely besides my point. Yona can reclaim her honor and return to her world, in a different role but in the world she knows. Naomi can go back and go pirating. Cait can go back and be with her friends and study.

"Varying amount of work" is... just such a gross under statement it is not even funny.
Aside from Rae (can return easily. but was really unhappy with her old life).

Firstly, I don't see the obstacles nearly as large as you do because I do not want to "correct" as much stuff as you seem to think I do. Secondly: yes, that is what stories do. Overcome the stuff that was stated as impossible.

You do in fact manage to conjure up a miracle for Cait, but by the time you conjure said miracle for her she is no longer unhappy and does not wish to return.

I might have missed something because I do not remember her stating that. Can you give a cite? (Honest question)

 

[MashUp47]

"Resurrection" Why? non of the girls died. As for what keeps them anchored to the house I think we need to ask the question what guiding force made the MC dream about the girls and save them rather then looking at the girls issue's as the problem why they can't leave. I see the house as a kind of a place were the girls have a chance to reform them selfs so when and if they return to there home/other worlds they are stronger and able to make better choice's. please do correct me if i'm wrong in my thinking.

 

[whichone]

I see the house as a kind of a place were the girls have a chance to reform them selfs so when and if they return to there home/other worlds they are stronger and able to make better choice's. please do correct me if i'm wrong in my thinking.

Yup, I think the same. Effectively they each have their own version of "

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" to undertake.
The "resurrection" aspect of the discussion gives the impression of a strawman.
IDK if it is, but it certainly looks & feels like one.

 

[MashUp47]

Thanks whichone it means alot to know that i'm not misinterpreting the story to much. I just got confussed with the term's resurrection and trying to return to a time when the the character's were at there lowest point, to carry on with there life's as nothing had happened. it just makes no sense for a character to do that.

 

[BunnygirlBoobies]

sad. Another game where development has stagnated to a laughable level

you could go support them if you wanted faster updates. its laughable to complain about updates on a pirate site.

 

[mrttao]

"Resurrection" Why? non of the girls died

For their dead relatives. not for themselves.

Naomi's girls are probably dead from kraken. Even if there were survivors at least one must have perished
Yona's family has explicitly been recently killed
Lyriel's is a former princess who fairly recently lost her noble status, is an exile, and whose only surviving family is her aunt. This suggests her parents and maybe some other family members died recently

 

[The_fallen_dragon]

Yes



No. Releasing the anchor is step 4. after resurrecting the dead and mass mind control

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You only read 1 single post.

One where I only gave Yona as an example to explain the apparently super difficult concept that just because you can physically return to your old country does not magically revert time to undo whatever bad things happened that made you flee it in the first place.





You are forgetting some important issues these girls had in their former worlds.

I had done a full analysis on all the girls and it explains why for each of them the anchor is not the problem. Here it is:

I just read your little analyst and you're still wrong.

You seem to also lack the ability to differentiate between "a can't" as in having the inability to or not being ability to do some event/action/etc and a "might not want to" as in having the ability to choose not to do an action/event/etc.

99.9% of what you said falls under "might not want to" not "they can't.

Succubus:
Nothing about what you said actually stops her from going back to her happy little life. In fact you would've had a stronger case in you brought up the fact her disappearance actually interfered with the mission she was on for her queen which is why she needed to go talk to her teacher and ask for help explaining to the queen what happened and that she is now trapped.

You also left out the fact that she emits that staying in the mc world isn't realistic and just a whimful dream.

Sorceress:
Wow this was dumber then your first one, again the only thing we have that could stop her from returning we already resolved. And you moved the goal post, I thought I would ignore it at first, the argument you made was they can't return to their old lives, not that they don't want to which are NOT THE SAME THING.

THE CHOCOLATE:
Assumption, you don't know her crew is dead you can just assume they are. So until we get story confirmation that they all died and not some plot armor w/e reason. They all survived you have no argument here.

Sexy submissive elf:
You're trolling me at this point, there's no way you're being serious. None of that, literally none of that stops her from returning to her old life, she may not want to return but that doesn't stop her from it.

The literal I only one that literally can't return is yona because of what happened.

Rae can return to being a spie for her queen.

Cait can return to her studies and afterwards her family, can still work to be an archmage.

Nomi can return to being a pirate, she can get another ship, and we know nothing about her crew. Yet.

Ly can return to be with her family and go back to hated her aunt being a whore and hating humans.

Nothing has happened or has already been resolved that stops them from returning. You're purposely conflating what they may want with an invisible barrier of "they can't" and as I said before, THEY ARENT THE SAME THING. The only can't the only barrier stopping them from returning is the anchor.

 

[mrttao]

Nothing about what you said actually stops her from going back to her happy little life

Are you allergic to reading? You literally quoted me saying Rae is the exception in that she can in fact go back.
But her life was not happy before.

Sorceress:
Wow this was dumber then your first one, again the only thing we have that could stop her from returning we already resolved.

You failing to read does not make my statements dumb.
You are literally quoting me addressing her situation both before and after the resolution
Before: She literally can not go back
After: She can go back but no longer wants to.

THE CHOCOLATE:
Assumption, you don't know her crew is dead you can just assume they are. So until we get story confirmation that they all died and not some plot armor w/e reason. They all survived you have no argument here.

You literally quoted me saying "presumed dead". Again, just how bad are you at reading?

Sexy submissive elf:
You're trolling me at this point, there's no way you're being serious. None of that, literally none of that stops her from returning to her old life, she may not want to return but that doesn't stop her from it.

No, you are trolling me.
As I literally explained. She has two "old lives".

Old life 1:
Happy old life she yearns for: Her parents were alive and she was a princess living in elflands
Old life 2:
Old life she utterly loathes with all her heart: She is an exile commoner pauper living in a brothel in human shithole.

It is unclear exactly how much time she has been at old life 2. but it looks like maybe a few months.
She can't go back to old life 1, which is the one she would actually yearn for.

Yes she can go back to old life 2 but that is an utter nightmare for her. not something to be desired.

Cait can return to her studies and afterwards her family, can still work to be an archmage.

Cait was not living with her family. She was living on her own as an adult woman in a college.

There are two phases to her story.
Phase 1: She literally can not return because she will get executed
Phase 2: You conjured up a miracle for her and she can now return. But does not WANT to because returning means giving up on her apprenticeship. Being the apprentice to an apprentice of an arch-mage is far far better than being a common student for her education.

Ly can return to be with her family and go back to hated her aunt being a whore and hating humans.

She does not WANT to.
She wants to return to being a princess in an elf nation.
She does not want to return to living in a fucking brothel and being pressured into becoming a whore for humans.

Nomi can return to being a pirate, she can get another ship, and we know nothing about her crew. Yet.

Her girls were last seen losing a fight to a motherfucking kraken who just broke their ship.
Their odds of survival are not great.
Do you no remember the part where there was an entire arc to coax her to even try looking? because their prospect was so bleak that she was afraid to even LOOK. afraid she will only find out that they are really dead?

And yea, maybe they are all alive (doubtful considering how the author does not shy from dead loved ones tropes). But we are still looking at conjuring up a miracle for her.

 

[MashUp47]

For their dead relatives. not for themselves.

Naomi's girls are probably dead from kraken. Even if there were survivors at least one must have perished
Yona's family has explicitly been recently killed
Lyriel's is a former princess who fairly recently lost her noble status, is an exile, and whose only surviving family is her aunt. This suggests her parents and maybe some other family members died recently

Ok but I get the feeling that the story is more about recovering from a bad past and exploring a new, learning new experience's, making new freinds,relationships not trying to save the world and old relationships or bring the dead back to life. Naomi has a new crew, Yona has a new family/tribe, Lyril is treated like a princess yet offers to serve others of her free will rather then being forced plus get to be center of attention, Rae has Master to give here power, Cait has new friend's who do not pick on her plus more books then she could dream of. and if they able to or decide to go back home people respecte them more now then what they did before the MC saved them.

 

[mrttao]

Ok but I get the feeling that the story is more about recovering from a bad past and exploring, learning new experience's, making new freinds,relationships not trying to save the world and old relationships or bring the dead back to life. Naomi has a new crew, Yona has a new family/tribe, Rae has Master to give here power, Cait has new friend's who do not pick on her plus more books then she could dream of. and if they able to or decide to go back home people respecte them more now then what they did before the MC saved them.

I fully agree with you here. I think your analysis is spot on on what kind of game it is.
This is a story of healing and moving forwards. Of making new friends and new family. Of building a new life from the ashes of the other.

This entire argument basically started when someone said they find this story unsatisfying, because the waifus are unhappy, and the solution to that unhappiness is to break the anchor so the waifus can return to their old lives.

I completely disagreed that this is the solution. Arguing that the cause of their unhappines is not the anchor. And the solutions for which vary but are mostly in line with what you said. Build a new life.

 

[Shawnchapp]

I have tried running the patch from inside and outside the game folder I also ran it as admin and I get the same error every time.
View attachment 1663177
Any help would be appreciated.

same issue, any fix?

 

[Thelonely6]

Anyone know where to find these? In which house section?

 

[greggus]

Point is, there is no reason for dev to doing smt more - his patreon is 12k per month when rare updates dont have much content. Ideal milking.

 

[jahall]

same issue, any fix?

From the number of people reporting this issue, it sounds like the patch might have a bug. The obvious work-around woulod be to download the full game, tedious as that might be if you have a slow connection.

 

[draaco]

got this after applying patch and loading 0.5.13r3 save

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[Megathron]

Anyone know where to find these? In which house section? View attachment 1665741

Believe it's on the landing of the 2nd floor, wall lamp on the right.

 

[marspig]

I made a Lyriel's signature.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

got this after applying patch and loading 0.5.13r3 save

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In the future, could you please do one of the following when you report an error here?

1. Wrap this type of thing in SPOILER tags (in the toolbar above where you type your post, click the ••• button and choose "SPOILER").
2. Better yet, take the traceback.txt file from the main game folder (i.e., the folder above the one called game) and attach it to your post.

It helps so others don't have to scroll as far to get beyond your post, since most likely only the developer of the game and possibly 2 or 3 others will find the error report useful.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

ZanithOne, I figured I'd pass on an odd transition I haven't seen reported yet. My MC slept with Lyriel and kissed her goodnight. In the morning, instead of waking up in her bed without her there, the MC heard a knock at his own door with Cait wanting to ask if they could go get her glasses.

While it wasn't terrible or anything, this did seem a bit odd. I thought a possible solution might be to use a conditional to check where the MC is.

• Is he in his own room? Then show the scene as normal.
• Did he spend the night in someone else's room? Briefly have the game explain that he woke up a bit earlier than expected, returned to his own room, and then fell asleep again. Then you could still show the same scene, because the MC will have awoken to Cait entering his room, the only difference being his sleep had been broken up a little.

Anyway, this was just a thought I had that might fix this small issue with minimal work.