Ren'Py A House in the Rift [v0.7.16r4] [Zanith]

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Cartageno

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Risbue said:
Don't you think that a guy developing a porn game at home is not going to use that tool, if he's in a hurry for releasing an update?
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Not necessarily. I mean some certainly are, and I have tried games where I am certain they have used it even though it is not declared or even denied. But there is a difference between a journalist who is on an external schedule and needs to meet an (often unreasonable) deadline for publishing, and a dev who doesn't do this as a job and more as a hobby, where the game is kind of a child of love. They want their game to be good.

Granted, even with this start things may change. A dev may still feel pressured by the forums as an example when people invariably will complain that we don't get a GB/week of new content. Or having writer's block, just tried AI and it is so much easier. But still in general I would guess the smaller games here are less prone to using AI.

(That many of them are even worse than AI is also true, but a completely different matter)
 
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Cartageno said:
Not necessarily. I mean some certainly are, and I have tried games where I am certain they have used it even though it is not declared or even denied. But there is a difference between a journalist who is on an external schedule and needs to meet an (often unreasonable) deadline for publishing, and a dev who doesn't do this as a job and more as a hobby, where the game is kind of a child of love. They want their game to be good.

Granted, even with this start things may change. A dev may still feel pressured by the forums as an example when people invariably will complain that we don't get a GB/week of new content. Or having writer's block, just tried AI and it is so much easier. But still in general I would guess the smaller games here are less prone to using AI.

(That many of them are even worse than AI is also true, but a completely different matter)
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I propose a little experiment: go to the Midreal.ai page, for example. The first 24 hours are free, and then you can continue to use it although with limited functions. Create a character called Azraesha, give her attributes: she's a succubus with a youthful appearance but who has lived for centuries, she's mischievous and sarcastic but not evil... etcetera, you know. Then create a character called MC, who is a man of let's say 25 years old, normal and ordinary, whatever.... Create the scenario that they are trapped in a house and ask the AI to generate dialogues on any topic you can think of and scenes with them as the main characters, including porn. You will be surprised.
 
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I propose a little experiment: go to the Midreal.ai page, for example. The first 24 hours are free, and then you can continue to use it although with limited functions. Create a character called Azraesha, give her attributes: she's a succubus with a youthful appearance but who has lived for centuries, she's mischievous and sarcastic but not evil... etcetera, you know. Then create a character called MC, who is a man of let's say 25 years old, normal and ordinary, whatever.... Create the scenario that they are trapped in a house and ask the AI to generate dialogues on any topic you can think of and scenes with them as the main characters, including porn. You will be surprised.
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I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to say. My main point was that many devs will not do it because they feel it is their brainchild, which it wouldn't be if they employed AI.
 
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Cartageno said:
I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to say. My main point was that many devs will not do it because they feel it is their brainchild, which it wouldn't be if they employed AI.
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At some point, it becomes a business for every dev. It's a lot of work. And devs that can't make their games a business, sooner than later abandone them. That's why there are so many abandoned games here. This dev even has other people working for him, if I'm not in a wrong. And, after all... 'brainchild'? This game? I don't think the dev considers his 'brainchild' all the filling material in this game, all the dull conversations at breakfast or while watching television, all the childish and silly situations, or the vanilla sex scenes. Let's face it: at least half of this game could have been written by an AI, just with a few tweaks here and there from a writer. Probably way more.
 
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At some point, it becomes a business for every dev.
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Since I read your original statement as a general observation more than specifically pertaining to this game and answered in this vein: it certainly does not for every dev. The vast majority of devs don't even make $100 per month. That can only be a hobby with some nice trickle of money, but not a business.

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It's a lot of work. And devs that can't make their games a business, sooner than later abandone them. That's why there are so many abandoned games here.
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While that certainly is an aspect, I would guess there are other points which are more important for the number of abandoned games. My personal guess is "people who completely underestimated the scope of a multi-year project, and possibly overestimated their own abilities when setting the scope of their game." Got no data to back that up though.

Risbue said:
And, after all... 'brainchild'? This game? I don't think the dev considers his 'brainchild' all the filling material in this game, all the dull conversations at breakfast or while watching television, all the childish and silly situations, or the vanilla sex scenes. Let's face it: at least half of this game could have been written by an AI, just with a few tweaks here and there from a writer. Probably way more.
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First again: I wasn't talking about this game specifically but games in general. Second: we will have to agree to disagree on the merits of those small discussions, I think many of them add flavor and life to the world. Even the ones where you have three options which change nothing but two lines of dialogue.

But more importantly: yes, many people are proud of their work, even if better works are easily available. It is their song, even if only five friends will ever listen to it, their painting, even if any schoolchild can paint at that level if only it takes the time, or here: their game. This obviously is not true for all devs, but I am willing to bet that many will shy away from using AI for that reason.

That being said: cleverly using AI isn't bad either as such. It is, after all, just a tool. It depends on what you make with it. And with LLMs or AI graphics or music, working to get the right prompt is an art in itself. Yes, we are swamped with AI games made without love or care, but you can use it properly.
 
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It's indeed a bit disappointing that the main story hasn't progressed much lately, but at least my 3 favorite girls are the ones getting most of the side content so I can't complain too much when a game provides monthly updates even though the content isn't what most would expect.

It was really interesting playing the heist and finding out that part of Lyriel's bratty attitude is part of elven culture's mating rituals, that elves choose a partner for life and that attitude is just a way to make sure the partner is interested. She loves the MC and is just too bratty to admit it, which is kinda funny.
 
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AI is already used a lot in AVNs for (poorly done) translations to English for foreign devs.

Where it will be used a lot, in my opinion, will be by the AVN farms overseas that will be just trying to get people to buy cheap crap games on Steam or Itch or Oppaiman's platform.
 
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c3p0 said:
So, back to your old tale?

He is making around 24k$ through Patreon. Depending on where he live a big chunk will go awayx for tax. Then, again, depeding on where he live, he need more or less money to live - and I say live not bareilly being able to live. If he have others that are working for him and he paid them, well less money for himself.
Sure, he make some money. And according to Count Morado's Patreon Overview he is in one of the "best" earing devs from Patreon with others who make more than 8k$/month and only are 3.1% of all adult devs can make this.

Therefore, his game need to be very succesfull and over 3400 paying Patrons (average 6.8$) are happy with it. Thus over 3400 Patrons either are happy with it, don't care or are as dumb as bread. Spolier: It won't be the last option.
Also as he earns more than 8k$ since April 21 and after that its only rising up to 24k$, this suggest that their is not such an issue in general. Sure, we won't know what would be, if he would write more for the mainstory, but that is life. We won't know, what would happend if the UDSSR would been the first on the moon, if JFK wasn't shoot, if Carta didn't eat my breakfast, ...
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Changelog v0.7.15
  • Engage in a life of crime with Cait by pulling off the heist of a century!
  • Solve puzzles, make decisions, fight some overgrown flora, and even engage in a spot of dungeon crawling! (It's almost two updates' worth of content in a single quest)
  • Let Rae touch the dollhouse and get yourself a tiny, lickable Rae
  • Celebrate Christmas with the girls once again!
 
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I don't know why someone would even use ChatGPT for something like this. It's incredibly easy to write passable dialog, so it would probably take longer than just writing it yourself. AI art is a completely different matter, and I can understand why people would use an art generator, but in this case the assets are already created and we haven't seen any signs of AI art in the game.
 
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As someone who uses a lot of GPT, it absolutely would take longer than writing it yourself, and be of markedly lower quality. AI is only useful in such a way under certain circumstances, like when you're being paid to write 2 articles a day and so you just have GPT write them in bulk.

Having GPT write the dialogue, only to then edit it, when it would be less effort and time to simply write the dialogue, is nonsensical. People do not do things that take more effort and cause worse results unless someone is either paying them or lying to them to make them believe otherwise.
 
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