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Yeah, that's the part I played and it's not really that she's a racial supremacist. After the war they keep talking about, all of the men were executed and they were prevented from having full blooded male children. The order that Rae is apart of wants to create a male succubus (incubus?) to continue their race so that they don't die out. (And technically it would be species, not race.) So it's not like she wants to eradicate all of the other species - just keep hers from fading away. The rest of it sort of tracks though - she hasn't actually met the head of that order yet - unless it's happened in the last 2 or 3 updates. She met her old friend who she betrayed as part of that order. Edit: Also it would be wrong to say that she's been playing on the emotions of MC since she arrived - she did at first. She reacted the way she has been trained to when she didn't know who or what he was or anything about her new situation. but she says that it's not the case anymore and she wants to MC to come with her to meet the head of her order (because she can't go alone) - even though they definitely will not react well since he's an outsider and a human being brought before the head of their secret order - and she wants him to trust her. That was where I left off - she hasn't let him give her an answer yet.
sillyrobot
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I misunderstood which rooftop conversation you were referencing -- I thought it was the rooftop of MC's Earth where Rae talks about her past.
I'm agnostic to Rae's situation as I haven't played the last couple of releases and probably won't for a couple more. That said, the problem with a confession after exposure is people have a rightful concern the confession is only performing damage control. "You discovered I did this thing you don't like in the past, but I swear I've changed! You can trust me now even though I hid this stuff from you and you only found out because I was exposed by another!" rings hollow. Broken trust may not be impossible to repair, but it is both a delicate and time-consuming process. Such loss of trust is often enough to turn a potential life-mate into someone fit for only for recreational use or abandoned entirely.
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The reason trust is valuable in the first place is that it makes people give you the benefit of the doubt when it's not easy to do so. We'll see what happens, but I'll put all my chips on Rae coming through when it counts.
This is true. Rae says she is trying to save her race - whether you believe that or not is up to you. But there is a very good argument to be made that continuing to work with someone whom you know or suspect to be planning a genocide (or does not care about people being harmed) is just as culpable as the mastermind. I don't think we know if Lady M is the mastermind or not, but she seems to be Rae's "handler".
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This lack (or destruction) of trust is mentioned as part of the conversations outside the library. I'm glad that it was mentioned at least, because I hope it gets addressed properly going forward.
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It will be interesting to see where the dev takes it after this. Unfortunately, since the story is railroaded except some small flavor text/choice, we'll have to go with what they think is best. I hope we would pull back from Rae until trust is rebuilt or something happens because I think that's the only reasonable response to this revelation. But I think most people would want the dev to wrap it up quickly because it's been going on for so long already.
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Again, I don't think the phrase "planning a genocide" applies here. To the best of my knowledge she is trying to save her own race, not wipe out anyone else's. It's sort of the opposite of genocide. As for people being harmed, it's unfortunate but in a world of cloak and dagger high level politics, people getting hurt is par for the course. I tend to self-immerse in these things more than I should by from my POV, MC would be floating in the void without a clue about what was going on or why without Rae. Maybe Cait could have helped a bit, maybe but she definitely couldn't have taught MC to etherwalk or do things like summon the back yard into being. I don't even know if the rest of the cast could survive whatever is coming without Rae's guidance. So, I'll put all my chips on Rae coming through and if that results in some kind of bad end, so be it.
I don't know who you're referring to when you say "she". Rae or Lady M?
If you're referring to the latter, then she (or her masters) is certainly planning on something big and not caring who she hurts, especially if they're non-infernal.
If you're referring to Rae, then I don't think she's manipulating or planning anything anymore (she did have some sort of plans at the start). I would agree that Rae seems to want the best for her race, but she is not sure how far her actions should take her to accomplish that mission.
This scenario is the standard example of "does the end justify the means?". Is it moral to kill/injure x number of people to save y number of people? Some may think if y > x, then it's ok to do it. Some may think killing 1 person is too much.
Everyone in the house would be stuck without her, for sure. But how much does that absolve her of the evil/not-good actions (or reasonably foreseeable consequences of her actions) that she has done or plans on doing? As well as potentially involving everyone else in those plans now.
If I was MC, I'd be very cautious about doing things Rae wanted to do from this point onwards. Assuming that I believe Rae wants to save her race with minimal casualties, I'd have to wrestle with how my involvement would likely injure others (physical or otherwise), rather than potentially saving a race - there is no guarantee that MC intervening would change anything from what I've read in the current release. (Since the infernal situation was created by a world I didn't know existed, was initiated long before I was born, and seemingly has a long time to find another solution after I've gone)
I imagine the story will have Rae be "good" from now on, and they'll be a situation where she has to choose between this organization and MC/house, and she chooses MC. I wonder if the dev will have Rae tell the whole house about the situation and we'll see their reactions.
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But I like the filler? Do people like me not get a say in this? I know the main story is not really progressing at the rate you liked, but I really liked all the 'filler' that he puts out, I don't really care about the main story all that much tbh.
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I think people have PTSD from liking games but then they get abandoned and they don't get to see an ending. I can't see this game going that way Zanith and his team really seem all in on the game and I'd be shocked if they didn't finish it.
Not the first time I've thought that and been wrong though so I understand why people are getting a bit freaked out by the slow progression of the main story. I like all the content we're getting - "filler" and main story progress. That being said, I think the main story is progressing a bit slowly now though would like to see some issues get resolved (the peeking person who offered power, Lyriel's family & Naomi's crew feel like they've been in limbo for quite a while) more than I would like to see new issues presented.
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There's filler, like when a planned scene is going to take more time to make than the developer might have expected, so they come up with something to keep interest. Those interested in the game know that the story will continue, it's just on hold for a while.
And then there's filler for the sake of filler, month after month. And you don't know whether or not the next update is going to continue the story.
And a lot of people feel we've been getting a lot of the latter.
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I personally don't agree with that, but I will admit I may be wrong and biased at that. I personally just don't like the doom and gloom in this thread.
This game is so screwed up, I've got like 7 or 8 different evening events trying to auto-trigger over each other and I am literally never able to do the one I want to do. Cait wants to do a spooky dinner and get her glasses on the same evening, then there is Naomi who wants to go after her crew, and Rae then jumps in for some other random crap, and on by the way I am on an unspecified timer to progress the main story of the dwarf girl but she requires evenings too...and that's probably not all of it either. The entire game is completely fucked at this point.
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This is a known issue. (Devs are aware of it.) From what I gather, they can't really fix it in a way that won't break some saves. (I can think of a few ways, but they're all complex and horrible.)
The only workaround for it is to basically exhaust everything before pushing on with the main story. Even then, you'll get some overlap if you progress in certain ways. My advice would be to advance the newest house member until they block, before picking up news ones, or moving on with the story. It's a hacky solution to a problem that stems from the game being years old and their assumption being that people will play it (unguided) as if it were being released to them.
The good news is that newer content gets better at it.
The bad news is that there are a host of 'legacy' triggers that you could trip over later.
To throw in my two cents, I don't mind the 'filler' that much. I don't like the Lost and Found filler much, because it feels like those are all dead ends, but it's possible that all of that is part of lore building (to stop a plot hole later). But with that said, we get story progression every update. The issue is that people want specific stories advanced, and there's the main story, the 'find out about the main character' masked subplot/story, and every girl has their own primary story, as well as their own sex storyline.
We've stopped getting so much of the sex storyline stuff (I'm more than fine with that), and it has been replaced by generic filler (so it feels more scattershot). But the filler/sex content didn't really block the real story progression being released. So the issue is now that for one story to advance, others have to be at a point where it doesn't add to the existing story progression issues.
Rae's story releases had to come together (if you consider update sizes, it being split made sense). The problem with that release block is that a lot of people didn't care for/about the art (I'm 'didn't care about'), so it felt light on the written/spoken content in exchange for something that I could take a pass on. (I played a lot of VNs and AVNs back when animations were rare, or not even there, so I'd have been fine with more talking.) The other problem is that I feel the devs are taking a lot of feedback on story arcs, so the story is probably in flux. Though Rae's reveal was kind of a shrug for me, because most of it was obvious, and none of it changes how I read her character. (The only 'lie' was that we didn't save her when we pulled her into the house; she reverts her position on that. It may not have been a lie, she may only have pieced it together afterwards, and the way she originally phrased it may have been more a sign that she thought that she could handle herself.)
If we take the story progression and compare it to other games, we're getting a similar amount of content to other games with similar sized teams (when factoring time). The problem is, as before, the percentage of filler content to main content masks that, as, in other, more linear, games, the way it's slipstreamed in impacts it. On the whole, I shrug.
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To put it another way. The last time Yona got a story update was, what, two maybe nearly three years ago? Meanwhile we've gotten nearly 4 straight months of the alchemy minigame.
Can you see how frustrating the filler at the cost of content can be?
Can you see how frustrating the filler at the cost of content can be?
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That happens with this game sometimes and it all evens out eventually. Just remember when Rae or Cait or whoever says "let's do this this evening, come to my room" - none of them can tell one day from another. You can show up in three days, at their room, in the evening and still be right on time.
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BigCosyStoryFan
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I already understood the issue. But I also know that Caitlin's 'heist' related arc had been running since then. It was primary focus, and it's pretty obvious that they had to do a lot of background work to make that happen. The same is true of what we saw of Rae's two months of updates. (I would've been fine with her in front of whatever room telling me things, but they chose this approach, and other than noting that it probably ate into dev time, I'm not complaining.)
That releases don't appear to synchronise with the work being done is the nature of the kind of release they're doing. I'd imagine a lot of people would get upset if they moved to a quarterly update schedule. Many/most of the sex scenes seem to use common/premade animations, so the work to render those out would be lower than posing Naomi's crew, or Yona's village. To that end, I don't really care too much about those things. As I've written a few times now, I half expect some of what they're doing with the chemistry/alchemy nonsense to have some meaning/value later, but even if it doesn't, if it's what the Patreon backers/community wants, it's what'll happen.
Personally, I'd rather the sex scenes have more value tied to the story content, but it is what it is.
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Version 0.7.20r1 Changelog
Observe Yona as she prepares for her mission (or at least pretends to)
Check out new scenes in the Anniversary Event! (now available to replay!)
Animated ending for Demure Naomi sex scene
New Actions for Blair and first action-related sex scene (also for Blair!)
Observe Yona as she prepares for her mission (or at least pretends to)
Check out new scenes in the Anniversary Event! (now available to replay!)
Animated ending for Demure Naomi sex scene
New Actions for Blair and first action-related sex scene (also for Blair!)