VN Ren'Py A Life Worth Living [Ch. 5.5 Fix Public] [FiTB_Games]

[sandwichpuncher]

It states in multiple places, that swinging is not avoidable. That the characters will have sex with people who are not their spouse. So at what point would someone download our game, not knowing that they were going to get fucked by other people. And if they did, that is on them. Not us.

Again, most people consider swinging to be NTR. Whether they see your dev notes in time is irrelevant. When you tag a game, you're tagging it for everyone who sees the game. In fact, a lot of people would download your game and then be pissed off, if you didn't just happen to have it tagged "NTR", because swinging doesn't necessarily apply to the protagonist's wife. It could be some minor character or even the protagonist himself - which is not NTR.

Normally, people do not scroll down to the comments before downloading a game. They only do that when it's tagged with NTR. A good chunk of people also would not check the dev notes or genre notes because they'd assume you're using the tagging system correctly. The tags are there for everyone who's looking, not whatever niche group of perverts your game appeals to, who you think compartmentalize MC's-wife-adultery and MC's-wife-adultery (NTR edition ™), and are totally fine with one but not the other.

 

[Gattsu#Struggler]

Joshy, can you DM me on this please. Want to see if I’m guessing it right too.

I would just ignore that guy because if its who I'm thinking it is he just goes around trolling NTS threads with his 27 accounts.

Yep, that's the sicilian troll here on f95. He reveals himself by ignoring to set punctuation in his long texts and instead uses commas.

 

[Joshy92]

Again, most people consider swinging to be NTR. Whether they see your dev notes in time is irrelevant. When you tag a game, you're tagging it for everyone who sees the game. In fact, a lot of people would download your game and then be pissed off, if you didn't just happen to have it tagged "NTR", because swinging doesn't necessarily apply to the protagonist's wife. It could be some minor character or even the protagonist himself - which is not NTR.

Normally, people do not scroll down to the comments before downloading a game. They only do that when it's tagged with NTR. A good chunk of people also would not check the dev notes or genre notes because they'd assume you're using the tagging system correctly. The tags are there for everyone who's looking, not whatever niche group of perverts your game appeals to, who you think compartmentalize MC's-wife-adultery and MC's-wife-adultery (NTR edition ™), and are totally fine with one but not the other.

If people don't read comments first that's their fault. There are pure netorase games on here, but they are tagged with netorare even if the devs say it's not netorare.

Basically, you can't just trust the tag system you have to do research first.

 

[Doshima]

The Creators perhaps did not understand the true meaning of the final controversies, if I understand correctly, and it is also my opinion, we know that there would have been consequences, if you put Fred who cheats, but the point of the player, who follows the game with passion, he sees Fred's betrayals as wrong, but as an end in itself, for Fred at that moment he was having sex for fun, it's not a justification, but the way you handled Fred's revenge, it's clear to everyone, he didn't like it to many fans, no because he fucked a perosan, which then, it was not the first time that Fred watched Mary fuck with another, but it was the bad and humiliating way towards Fred, she trampled on him in such a way as to really be killed, I I would have killed Mary, if I had had a similar humiliation, I accept that she had to take revenge, but after all the fucks and misdeeds that had been done with Fred with other couples, and even alone, her behavior was not right, nothing justifies it . It was something evil, and the next sentences, she shamelessly said, I still love you. Well gentlemen, at least for me, the game is over, dead, I repeat, you decide, but the latest updates have been a bitter failure of style on your part. I say this with regret.

 

[doomulol]

is the wt updated?.

 

[Dessolos]

Is it just me but whenever I see a negative review because they hate Mary I assume it's cause they played the cheating path. As the other path I found Mary very loveable tho that's just me. I understand why some might not like her or as much or find her boring on the other path just not hate.

 

[Talmadge]

Well. Just started playing, and for a choice driven game, I haven't seen many choices. I did just do the strip poker game with Lexi. Don't know if whomever you pick changes anything. Other than that, the only choices I had was to tell the girlfriend that her clothes was see-through when wet.
Also, I do like the fact the MC isn't packing. His package is truly looking more average sized for his physic and not 14 inches like most games do. So I like the reality of it.
But, like I say, just started, so I'll hold most judgment until I play a bit.

 

[SlapE]

Well. Just started playing, and for a choice driven game, I haven't seen many choices. I did just do the strip poker game with Lexi. Don't know if whomever you pick changes anything. Other than that, the only choices I had was to tell the girlfriend that her clothes was see-through when wet.
Also, I do like the fact the MC isn't packing. His package is truly looking more average sized for his physic and not 14 inches like most games do. So I like the reality of it.
But, like I say, just started, so I'll hold most judgment until I play a bit.

Yeah the choices start to ramp up later on, after getting through the initial stuff.

 

[simarimas]

Is it just me but whenever I see a negative review because they hate Mary I assume it's cause they played the cheating path. As the other path I found Mary very loveable tho that's just me. I understand why some might not like her or as much or find her boring on the other path just not hate.

I cracked up at the latest one. Good game! Don't like 1 unavoidable character. 1 star

 

[simarimas]

Well. Just started playing, and for a choice driven game, I haven't seen many choices. I did just do the strip poker game with Lexi. Don't know if whomever you pick changes anything. Other than that, the only choices I had was to tell the girlfriend that her clothes was see-through when wet.
Also, I do like the fact the MC isn't packing. His package is truly looking more average sized for his physic and not 14 inches like most games do. So I like the reality of it.
But, like I say, just started, so I'll hold most judgment until I play a bit.

Yeah, we are not into the stupid donkey dick/balloon boobs.

Hope you enjoy the game. As SlapE said the choices will start showing up, just had to get to the point in the story where they would fit in. (Plus that was early on in our first game, so we were still, and are still, learning.)

 

[Talmadge]

Yeah, we are not into the stupid donkey dick/balloon boobs.

Hope you enjoy the game. As SlapE said the choices will start showing up, just had to get to the point in the story where they would fit in. (Plus that was early on in our first game, so we were still, and are still, learning.)

I can understand the wanting to get the plot flushed out and understood before opening it up to choices. Most games that are choice driven seems to lose the plot within the first few minutes because they focus too much on the choices, imo.
And, it's a nice change of pace to have the characters more natural looking. Hope y'all keep up the great work. Seems to be gripping right now.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Did I play the wrong cheating path?

As I often mock those who complain about it - I decided I'd try to to see what all the fuss is about, so I did.

I wonder if I picked a wrong variable somewhere because frankly it wasnt that bad. Sure, there's the webcam fuck scene with more humilating dialogue than the hotwife version, and the ending (Bryce? Or was it Johnny, i get the kiddos mixed up) fuck with mc watching, but that was pretty much it.

Hell playing Badik and getting rejected by Maya/Josy feels more of an ntr sting than this.....

Yeah, we are not into the stupid donkey dick/balloon boobs.

I would like this 10000x times if i would.... I'll never understand why these games with cartoonish bolt-ons get any traction over something that resembles an attractive girl in the real world....one makes my dick hard other doesnt.

 

[simarimas]

Again, most people consider swinging to be NTR. Whether they see your dev notes in time is irrelevant. When you tag a game, you're tagging it for everyone who sees the game. In fact, a lot of people would download your game and then be pissed off, if you didn't just happen to have it tagged "NTR", because swinging doesn't necessarily apply to the protagonist's wife. It could be some minor character or even the protagonist himself - which is not NTR.

Normally, people do not scroll down to the comments before downloading a game. They only do that when it's tagged with NTR. A good chunk of people also would not check the dev notes or genre notes because they'd assume you're using the tagging system correctly. The tags are there for everyone who's looking, not whatever niche group of perverts your game appeals to, who you think compartmentalize MC's-wife-adultery and MC's-wife-adultery (NTR edition ™), and are totally fine with one but not the other.

I think you over estimate 'most' people. Perhaps you mean the vocal NTR haters, but I doubt very seriously that 'most' people see it that way, just the ones who are looking to be triggered.

And in what way have we not tagged the game properly? And we 'didn't just happen' to tag our game with NTR, we actually have NTR, and tagged it that way on purpose.

Finally, what the majority of NTR haters find to be NTR is irrelevant. What the TAG means is what is relevant. And Netorare is not swinging. If someone wants to cry over that, oh well.

 

[Dessolos]

I cracked up at the latest one. Good game! Don't like 1 unavoidable character. 1 star

yup and can almost guarantee they played a path they don't like of their own choosing.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Hell playing Badik and getting rejected by Maya/Josy feels more of an ntr sting than this.....

Yep. I didn't continue playing the game much longer after that happened.

I would like this 10000x times if i would.... I'll never understand why these games with cartoonish bolt-ons get any traction over something that resembles an attractive girl in the real world....one makes my dick hard other doesnt.

100%

 

[simarimas]

Did I play the wrong cheating path?

As I often mock those who complain about it - I decided I'd try to to see what all the fuss is about, so I did.

I wonder if I picked a wrong variable somewhere because frankly it wasnt that bad. Sure, there's the webcam fuck scene with more humilating dialogue than the hotwife version, and the ending (Bryce? Or was it Johnny, i get the kiddos mixed up) fuck with mc watching, but that was pretty much it.

Hell playing Badik and getting rejected by Maya/Josy feels more of an ntr sting than this.....

I would like this 10000x times if i would.... I'll never understand why these games with cartoonish bolt-ons get any traction over something that resembles an attractive girl in the real world....one makes my dick hard other doesnt.

I think most of the people complaining about it, are just looking to get triggered, as I said earlier. They want to get upset, so they play the path that will get them there. Then they get to become keyboard warriors and show everyone how Alpha they are. But those of us who actually have lived a life know better.

 

[simarimas]

I can understand the wanting to get the plot flushed out and understood before opening it up to choices. Most games that are choice driven seems to lose the plot within the first few minutes because they focus too much on the choices, imo.
And, it's a nice change of pace to have the characters more natural looking. Hope y'all keep up the great work. Seems to be gripping right now.

We are trying to! Hope you enjoy the rest of the game, and I look forward to hearing what you think.

 

[simarimas]

a character, if told badly, destroys the whole plot, having created a bad and bitter Mary has turned the beauty of the game upside down, the Devs continue with this fairy tale, that Mary's reaction is justified, nothing could be more false, you can't to say that you were an evil witch is then to say that you did it out of love, the two things are not compatible, and this makes the twisted mind understand, I kill you because I love you. What a delusion

I am guessing you have never been around real people. If you think people can't be vindictive assholes, who think what they are doing is 'out of love' then you need to get out more.

I have known countless women who's boyfriends/husbands beat them, cheat on them, abuse them, and she keeps coming back for more, because he says he loves her. I have known several guys like this as well.

 

[simarimas]

With that, I have to go back to work. I will answer other questions, when I get back home this evening. Have a great day all!

 

[Dessolos]

Did I play the wrong cheating path?

As I often mock those who complain about it - I decided I'd try to to see what all the fuss is about, so I did.

I wonder if I picked a wrong variable somewhere because frankly it wasnt that bad. Sure, there's the webcam fuck scene with more humilating dialogue than the hotwife version, and the ending (Bryce? Or was it Johnny, i get the kiddos mixed up) fuck with mc watching, but that was pretty much it.

Hell playing Badik and getting rejected by Maya/Josy feels more of an ntr sting than this.....

I would like this 10000x times if i would.... I'll never understand why these games with cartoonish bolt-ons get any traction over something that resembles an attractive girl in the real world....one makes my dick hard other doesnt.

yeah I played it and honestly don't see it as a big deal anyways. I have yet to see how it plays out in this update but I checked out the "game over" people complained about not ready to play the update just yet. I don't see the big deal of the whole "game over" thing, it just takes you in another direction of branching for the final update and ends the update quickly which makes sense , since this game is about Fred and Mary not just Fred. Not like Fred is building a harem or has a second secret girlfriend all of his cheating was a fling and nothing serious. Sure they could of spent extra time to show scenes of him kicking Mary out and packing her bags small things like that but wasn't needed either and waste of time especially for a path they didn't want to introduce to begin with.

also simarimas not sure what kind of game your next one will be but if it has some similar elements to this one if I may id have a recommendation even if it's a bit early since you still have Chapter 6 to create. If it has NTR and you handle it the same as this one where it depends on how often and how many times the MC cheats. I think it was a bit of a missed opportunity in this game on the cheating path that all the times Fred cheats was a fling but never had a secret girlfriend. Tho that might of been a bit to much out of character for Fred to have such a path all the same I think that could of been an interesting alternative path on the cheating branch.