Unity A Long Journey [v0.9.4] [Marvellous Lunatic]

[osanaiko]

theres no fucking universe imaginable, multiverse even that she's forgivable. I swear to god, I will lose my shit if season 2 if its even hinted at being fixed.

I dont know if I'm more upset that the character is written so atrociously with absolutely nothing to suggest her actions would make the tiniest of sense, or the fact that theres a potential future MC forgives what happened.

I understand what you are saying, but there is an important counter argument, one that could change any man's mind:

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[metamorphMP]

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She is not in the washing machine and definitely not stuck., but looks tempting

 

[Avaron1974]

a character that would sacrifice themselves for another on every level is the last culprit to do that same act of spite to someone else. They understand it the best, so they wouldn't force them into that position, its just stupid. Could see if the most extreme thing happened as a way to force suffering onto someone, they'd have to go through the tragic event to snap like that but otherwise nah just doesnt line up.

To be perfectly honest, if it was me and my twin in that position I would be more than happy to sacrifice someone elses family to save her.

 

[Renply]

Yeah, unfortunately. making Selene do this kills either her as a LI ( at least) or the games entire story. with what we know of MC he will never and should never forgive this. so either we space the bitch for essentially killing our entire family or the dev tries to write his way out of this. which, just isn't possible to do in any sort of satisfying way. literally no one on this ship should want them alive or at least around. trying to write around that will just kill the game in a bad writing sort of way.

this is a great story, shit it finally made me voice my thoughts about a game. but the dev essentially just threw out 4 years of relationship development between selene and MC, its simply not salvageable. Sleeping with your husbands brother is less of a betrayal then what she just did and i dare you to find any relationship that has survived that. again, she just killed everyone he cares about. and all the people on the ship have had their lives ruined by her. so even if MC could be idiotic enough to trust this snake any more, no one else on the ship would. She has to go, i really see no other way the story can move forward while still taking itself at all seriously if she stays around as anything other than a corpse or a prisoner.

if thats the plan, then again, great writing my dude. A serious gut punch, but if its not. i really don't know how you can pull this off.

 

[Raziel_8]

To be perfectly honest, if it was me and my twin in that position I would be more than happy to sacrifice someone elses family to save her.

True. That being said, if me and especially my family were on the receiving end of the backstabbing or 'sacrifice', you could bet your ass this wouldn't be something i would forget or forgive, no matter if i can understand her reasons.

 

[Knight_of_the_lance]

There is a need to put things in their context. Selen comes from a part of the society that you could define as slums, so basically where there is a lot of poverty, crime and all around misery. She's been marked by that and is basing her understanding of the world on that. She done fucked up! She is expecting consequences, so expecting that she tries to find a way to flee her problems and escape said consequences. Airlocking her or something similar would only serve to prove her point. Also in the environment they all find themselves in she could be useful in the long run. Should she have consequences for her actions? absolutely, but but going for the harshest vengeance possible is stupid. She must serve her time, but also be rehabilitated to live in the small community that will emerge and contribute. Once that is done everyone will reap the benefices even if they are not immediately obvious. And other aspect is her sister, a true victim in this case. sentencing her sister to death would do what to her perception of the MC and others and her mental state? No air locking Selene is not the answer and you can't simply lock her away for the rest of the voyage and be a burden on the others as her basic needs need to be met by the others working.

The appropriate punishment is up for debate as well as what should be done to reintegrate her with the others, but you can't have a debate about it if everyone is so emotional that they go straight to their basic instinct of vengeance and murder. Also as a victim the MC is in his right to have a similar initial reaction as the more vocal people here, but he would be the one needing to take actions in the end. would he do it? He isn't even the one that ejected Ridick. (If I remember the name and guy correctly.)

 

[Raziel_8]

Selen comes from a part of the society that you could define as slums, so basically where there is a lot of poverty, crime and all around misery. She's been marked by that and is basing her understanding of the world on that. She done fucked up! She is expecting consequences, so expecting that she tries to find a way to flee her problems and escape said consequences.

True, albeit irrelevant.

Airlocking her or something similar would only serve to prove her point. Also in the environment they all find themselves in she could be useful in the long run.

Prove what, that essentially fucking up their lives obviously should be punished hard ?

And other aspect is her sister, a true victim in this case. sentencing her sister to death would do what to her perception of the MC and others and her mental state?

Also true, but sympathie for the sister should not influence the punishment.

hould she have consequences for her actions? absolutely, but but going for the harshest vengeance possible is stupid. She must serve her time, but also be rehabilitated to live in the small community that will emerge and contribute.

It's a hard punishment for a hard crime and well, economically as well as practically. Prison for a long time is not really an option and would be a waste of precious resources.
As for rehabilitated her in that community...well i see it differently, especially as she pretty much fucked their lives, so what would you do if the others wouldn't want contact with her, that would be a pretty understandable reaction.

 

[Knight_of_the_lance]

True, albeit irrelevant.

It is relevant in the confine of the fact that her upbringing thought (not sure if the homonymes are spelled the same in English) her that owning her fuck ups and acknowledging that she must suffer the consequences for her actions will help her face her jugement.

Prove what, that essentially fucking up their lives obviously should be punished hard ?

her point is that her life integrity is at stake and that fleeing and further antagonizing the others is of little consequences since she would face death anyways. So sabotaging things and making sure she can stay independent and free from the others is preferable for her. In the short term a confrontation with her will be more resource demanding than leaving her alone. She also doesn't have any in demand skills that would prevent the others from thinking twice about getting rid of her. She is essentially only good for grunt work. She has nothing guarantying her safety is her point. I think that if she could have her life be safe 100% she would not have fled the consequences.

Also true, but sympathie for the sister should not influence the punishment.

It should since executing murdering Selene summarily would make her someone the MC is unable to trust or even an other enemy that could further fuck up the vessel and kill them all in the name of vengeance. Watching her constantly would make Selene's sister someone draining resources more than she could contribute to everyone. Would you kill her too just to be sure? It can go far like that.

It's a hard punishment for a hard crime and well, economically as well as practically. Prison for a long time is not really an option and would be a waste of precious resources.
As for rehabilitated her in that community...well i see it differently, especially as she pretty much fucked their lives, so what would you do if the others wouldn't want contact with her, that would be a pretty understandable reaction.

I agree that long term jailing isn't an option, but a confrontation with the sisters could be even more taxing in the short term. If she could have her life safe with enough guaranty, for her sister, I'm pretty sure Selene would turn herself in. Beyond that the harshness with which she should be treated is up for debate though. I'm not here saying she should get a get out of jail free card, far from it.

Could she be sentenced to do grunt work in a corner alone with an other member of the crew assessing her work in exchange for a meal at the end of each day cycle? Yeah it's an option, a harsh one, maybe a fair one even in the eyes of some people. At least then she would be alive and her sister could visit her sometime and she would contribute to better the lives of the other crew members that are awake.

Yes she screwed the life plans of a group of people condemning them to take hard decisions but she didn't kill them, those persons can still make the most of their lives. To me a fair punishment would be for Selene to make sure that the lives of those people is as fulfilling, pleasant and hastle free as possible. Basically putting herself at their service. For how long before she can be considered an equal? I'm less sure of that.

It also all depend on what the crew decide to do in the future.

My ultimate point is that her demise and death would be more costly for the crew than any other alternative especially if no one is holding trial since it would undermine the confidence everyone would have in the others starting with Selene's own sister, but not necessarily limited to her. It could sow distrust in the others fearing for their life, competing for power to safeguard their lives instead of truly working together to better the lives of everyone. If anyone could decide that because you screwed up you could be tossed overboard the environment would become malignant fast.

 

[Raziel_8]

It should since executing murdering Selene summarily would make her someone the MC is unable to trust or even an other enemy that could further fuck up the vessel and kill them all in the name of vengeance. Watching her constantly would make Selene's sister someone draining resources more than she could contribute to everyone. Would you kill her too just to be sure? It can go far like that.

No, i wouldn't just to be sure. True it would drain resurces, which is not preferable, but that she would do either way to a large degree, i mean, she can't really do much without being thought.

Yes she screwed the life plans of a group of people condemning them to take hard decisions but she didn't kill them, those persons can still make the most of their lives.

Frankly, i don't remembe how long they were on the jurney and how long it would take them back.

Could she be sentenced to do grunt work in a corner alone with an other member of the crew assessing her work in exchange for a meal at the end of each day cycle? Yeah it's an option, a harsh one, maybe a fair one even in the eyes of some people. At least then she would be alive and her sister could visit her sometime and she would contribute to better the lives of the other crew members that are awake.

Well that doesn't sound bad.

My ultimate point is that her demise and death would be more costly for the crew than any other alternative especially if no one is holding trial since it would undermine the confidence everyone would have in the others starting with Selene's own sister, but not necessarily limited to her. It could sow distrust in the others fearing for their life, competing for power to safeguard their lives instead of truly working together to better the lives of everyone. If anyone could decide that because you screwed up you could be tossed overboard the environment would become malignant fast.

Normaly i'd say it's up to the captain, or the MC as they were alone.
Now i'd say either the highest ranking member of the crew which is awake or letting the awoken crew judge her and go with the majority vote.

 

[Renply]

Frankly, i don't remembe how long they were on the jurney and how long it would take them back.

64 years give or take. so yeah, a death sentence to everyone she just woke up.

 

[Igetby]

I understand what you are saying, but there is an important counter argument, one that could change any man's mind:

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My thought was the last time she knocked him out. You should see that punch coming at this point, but I agree I am putting her through the air lock myself. Especially after what I did for her sister.

I do want to give the developer credit for one thing. No other game in this genre got an emotional reaction out of me like when you realize she woke up his entire family after he risked his life again to save hers. This is a visceral reaction AAA games cannot pull off.

 

[Marvellous Lunatic]

Greetings,

I appreciate the discussion about the game and the decisions made in the story-telling and character choices. It's interesting to see different viewpoints and arguments. I won't spoil how the story and character-progressions will go on but I'd like to give some of my viewpoints on some arguments.

Yeah, unfortunately. making Selene do this kills either her as a LI ( at least) or the games entire story. with what we know of MC he will never and should never forgive this. so either we space the bitch for essentially killing our entire family or the dev tries to write his way out of this. which, just isn't possible to do in any sort of satisfying way. literally no one on this ship should want them alive or at least around. trying to write around that will just kill the game in a bad writing sort of way.

this is a great story, shit it finally made me voice my thoughts about a game. but the dev essentially just threw out 4 years of relationship development between selene and MC, its simply not salvageable. Sleeping with your husbands brother is less of a betrayal then what she just did and i dare you to find any relationship that has survived that. again, she just killed everyone he cares about. and all the people on the ship have had their lives ruined by her. so even if MC could be idiotic enough to trust this snake any more, no one else on the ship would. She has to go, i really see no other way the story can move forward while still taking itself at all seriously if she stays around as anything other than a corpse or a prisoner.

if thats the plan, then again, great writing my dude. A serious gut punch, but if its not. i really don't know how you can pull this off.

64 years give or take. so yeah, a death sentence to everyone she just woke up.

I'm a bit on the edge about the stance of Selene "essentially killing Elios' family" and "death sentence". She woke them up and they have food for a while and with access to storage and other locations also access to more supplies and more food. If they wouldn't find a way to advance there situation in any direction they would still have a life, maybe not the most pleasant or existing, depending on what they do with it, but still are alive.
You could see the spaceship as a flying prison cell or as a space for opportunities (and stories to tell, especially kinky ones ).

And depending on what you think Johannes and Reddick would have done with the ship upon return, the crew may would have died in their sleep anyway. I purposely left that open for interpretation for now.

There is a need to put things in their context. Selen comes from a part of the society that you could define as slums, so basically where there is a lot of poverty, crime and all around misery. She's been marked by that and is basing her understanding of the world on that. She done fucked up! She is expecting consequences, so expecting that she tries to find a way to flee her problems and escape said consequences. Airlocking her or something similar would only serve to prove her point. Also in the environment they all find themselves in she could be useful in the long run. Should she have consequences for her actions? absolutely, but but going for the harshest vengeance possible is stupid. She must serve her time, but also be rehabilitated to live in the small community that will emerge and contribute. Once that is done everyone will reap the benefices even if they are not immediately obvious. And other aspect is her sister, a true victim in this case. sentencing her sister to death would do what to her perception of the MC and others and her mental state? No air locking Selene is not the answer and you can't simply lock her away for the rest of the voyage and be a burden on the others as her basic needs need to be met by the others working.

The appropriate punishment is up for debate as well as what should be done to reintegrate her with the others, but you can't have a debate about it if everyone is so emotional that they go straight to their basic instinct of vengeance and murder. Also as a victim the MC is in his right to have a similar initial reaction as the more vocal people here, but he would be the one needing to take actions in the end. would he do it? He isn't even the one that ejected Ridick. (If I remember the name and guy correctly.)

You could choose the eject Reddick. If you decided against it, Selene takes it in her hand and ejects him anyway. A choice that I'll take up on later.

My thought was the last time she knocked him out. You should see that punch coming at this point, but I agree I am putting her through the air lock myself. Especially after what I did for her sister.

I do want to give the developer credit for one thing. No other game in this genre got an emotional reaction out of me like when you realize she woke up his entire family after he risked his life again to save hers. This is a visceral reaction AAA games cannot pull off.

Well, that's awesome to hear. The reaction is pretty much what I wanted to achieve.
I do have to acknowledge the last scene in the engine room is a bit clumsy and rushed. I had planed a longer fight and longer dialogues but felt the development cycle was already to long and the story a bit stretched at times. I never really found the right pace for the story I guess, but that's me learning writing. I'm not a professional writer, merely a hobbyist, so not everything is perfect and I know that. But I also don't want to revise everything over and over again. I want to move forward.

So, I do understand the immediate, emotional reaction to want to go rogue on Selene from the point-of-view of Elios. But I still think if you look from Selene's point-of-view like others pointed out, you could follow her decisions. You don't have to agree with them, or feel you would do the same, but for me it would be enough to acknowledge that you think I person could react/act like that. If you look at it objectively. I'm trying to create different personalities (and not just different in kinks they have )

Now there are new characters awake with even more different opinions on what happened and what should happen now. Similar to discussion here. Well, this basically is part of the plot/story for the next season how this group or single persons will act upon this situation.

My goal was to create a scenario, where it's not simple to decide what is/was right, what is/was wrong. Where it depends on which point-of-view you look from. I try my best to include different viewpoints, discussion and follow-ups in the story as best as I can. I'm pretty happy with what I've laid out for the story to come. I understand that not every decision I made story-wise is to the liking of everyone but I want to keep tension and drama in the story and not a simply all ever happy-ending. Things need to go wrong to keep the story interesting in my opinion. At least in my opinion. But I wont go completely dark or go in lecturing mode. At least that's not what I want to end up doing.