VenusWaltz

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I don't understand why people are feeling like they are forced to pursue girls. you can reject every girl as a love or sexual interest.
I've tried to rationalize everything the MC does as much as possible. He's never done anything just to do it. I thought I achieved some nuance with it and made it not so black and white. I've never put the MC in a situation he couldn't handle and I never will. But losing that control and not being able to make a choice about it is the problem and enough for some people to dislike the game as a whole. It's the principle of the MC not making that decision, even though I've tried to make it as one-sided as I can. Some people are okay with it. Some people aren't. That's fine. I can't please everybody.

I understand the need and want to have choices and to have everything play out in different ways but I have to compromise and be realistic about my capabilities. So, the big story plots will have to be on rails, while the choices (down the line) around your relationships with the girls will be the variations.
 

Ripson

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Mod updated. I have added a cheat menu to it, where u can edit stats and unlock the gallery.
 

Geffe

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I like the game, particularly the character designs. Nice to see a game where the girls are slim and toned instead of thicc for a change. Maybe it's a bit too 'slow burn'-ish though? 4 episodes in and (unless I'm missing something) the mc can only have sex with a couple of side characters. Meanwhile the 5 main girls have very little in the way of erotic content. Seems weird to have more sex scenes for side characters than for the main cast.
 

NoxLaw

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All the LIs in this game are either really unlikeable or completely uninteresting to me, except Vanessa, I actually kind of like her but I'm not really sure why. Anyway you are forced to deal with all of them in one way or another and since I couldn't care less about any of them (except Vanessa) and Mc is just being ordered around without you being able to do anything about it, there's probably no point in me continuing this.
 
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RogMR

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I really like the "useless choices" in the dialogues. What makes the game good is that you can speak as prefers. And the NPCs reacting according to the choice of the MC/player. I test several answers just to see it makes sense. Best point of game for me. Congratulations Venus Waltz.

Option to reject one or the other woman, if the player detests any of the women, I think it is valid, but without making multiple paths. Multiple paths can make the game extremely short, even when DEV creates a lot of content. The Way, for example. It was one of my favorites at v0.16. The game was divided into 3 paths. I played until v0.22 and stopped completely, because each update is extremely short, because each player only sees 1/3 of the effort that DEV (Zee95) puts into the game.

Multipath is a trap for DEV. A DEV should only think about doing multipath when the DEV / DEV team can produce a lot of content with each update.
 
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Gorse

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It's been that way since the first episode. Even though my game's not popular and a lot of people here seem to hate it, I owe it to my handful of supporters to keep going.
I really enjoy your game & appreciate your efforts and that you keep it going, man! (y)

So don't let yourself down if people dislike anything... even in an unconstructive way - that's pretty "normal" unfortunately cause these people are only consumers, not creators. They don't see the hard work behind any creation, only themselves. :rolleyes:
However, there are those who appreciate and support. It's always good to focus on them instead of the grumblers!

Thanks for the update, VenusWaltz :cool:!!!
 

extractied

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Reading all the previous comments from this thread so far, I gotta agree that this kind of "useless" choices throughout the gameplay is a plus.

To be fairly honest, I'm not a big fan of replaying something just to explore another "this or another minor scene" path, and also the vast majority of the games that utilize this system often seem lost in their own timeline, and the projects come to an infinite complexity.
 
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Pinsel

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I am wondering, have someone a positive response from Vanessa in the car after the party, when MC can touch her?

( Pls make Marissa a LI ;))
 

BGRW2020

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you know there is harem tag, right?
I think is pretty much clear.


most harem games have harem route whether is canon or not that doesn't matter, so no, we don't have to just pick one, if he will add solo routes for the girls I dunno but so far is implied for us to go for all.
Actually I just got the choice for Harlow to pursue or not - I chose not, but keep her as a friend, I am assuming we will be given the choice with all the girls and since it does not make sense to go harem I want Riley or Vanessa
 

BGRW2020

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I've tried to rationalize everything the MC does as much as possible. He's never done anything just to do it. I thought I achieved some nuance with it and made it not so black and white. I've never put the MC in a situation he couldn't handle and I never will. But losing that control and not being able to make a choice about it is the problem and enough for some people to dislike the game as a whole. It's the principle of the MC not making that decision, even though I've tried to make it as one-sided as I can. Some people are okay with it. Some people aren't. That's fine. I can't please everybody.

I understand the need and want to have choices and to have everything play out in different ways but I have to compromise and be realistic about my capabilities. So, the big story plots will have to be on rails, while the choices (down the line) around your relationships with the girls will be the variations.
Your story so far is really good, don't get side tracked by people asking you to do silly things, the relationships are or seem real, you asked in the game whether the MC wanted to pursue Harlow, a good choice for some but we need these choices as everyone out there will chose for different reasons a different girl. I won't chose the stripper no matter how shes presented - but I will help her, she deserves that. my choice rests with Riley or Vanessa at present and can't wait to have the choice to pursue one of them, I don't believe in harems, they NEVER work and you end up usually alone
 

linkinn

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She never said that she will dance. I read the whole scene twice just to make sure. She basically said that she was afraid of how people would look at her and judge her because she works in a strip club. Yet she never said that she would dance. She states that they pay her just to look and talk to her. So she is still a viable LI. Even so Marissa being a stripper is not a breaking point because she was a stripper when you met her. Now if we do see that Marlow starts stripping yeah that would change people's view of her. Until then she is one of my favorites.
I'am with you here, nothing wrong so far, but if she goes to another route it'll be a problem, for me at least.
 

SeveredRealms

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What the dev could do is give the player the option to talk Harlow into working elsewhere like the coffee shop. She would basically be doing the same thing talking with the customers and such and it would also add something to draw customers in other then a old bald guy and a young MC. Add a pretty face to the place and pull in different customers. It would change the stance people have about her as well as remove the fear she has of others finding out where she works.
 

VNON

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looking good
enjoyed it until i realized it


yeah its #useless-choices ,
maybe its "another VNs" aka #kinetic-novel disguised itself with choices


probably until near the end of the game then it started calculating your choices
than you need to start from the beginning if you want another endings?

anyway,
the dev knew what they were doing

good luck for the dev.
 

VenusWaltz

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Multipath is a trap for DEV. A DEV should only think about doing multipath when the DEV / DEV team can produce a lot of content with each update.
Thanks for understanding. It's tough rendering things that some people might skip entirely when I don't really have the means to render everything. Part of my problem comes from having to render scenes because these scenes have to occur for story reasons.

I don't expect people to look at things from a Dev's perspective, nor should they. I just have to be practical about development. The MC will not lose and even if he could, nobody would pick those options/choices.

However, there are those who appreciate and support. It's always good to focus on them instead of the grumblers!
I'm grateful for any support. It's nice to know some people share the vision I'm trying to create. I just felt the need to address the people complaining just to let them know I'm open to new ideas and learning. I'm always trying to make things better and improve. I've played and enjoyed VNs. I would never make a VN that I wouldn't enjoy myself.

I read all of the support and I'll keep giving my supporters more of what they want.

I think there's some misunderstanding because nobody knows where I'm going. I already know everybody's story. I know how everything plays out. I know what everything is leading up to. Every character has a purpose and a role. I just can't say anything more without spoiling things.

So nice to be given a choice of how to deal with individual situations instead of being forced to be a brutal ass or trembling simp all the time.
One of the things I see with a lot of VNs is that people see a girl they like and all they care about is making the right choice to sleep with her. It doesn't even matter what the choice says or what happens, just as long as it's the 'right' choice. In my opinion, it totally strips the player from the opportunity of making the MC who they want him to be. Maybe you don't want to be a sarcastic smart ass every single time just because a girl wants a sense of humor. And maybe you don't have to constantly flirt with a girl to let her know that you're interested in her. Just because you compliment a girl shouldn't lock you into her romance. And just because you didn't compliment her doesn't mean you should be locked out. Real relationships don't actually work like that. I know VNs aren't supposed to be realistic but I think it's reasonable to not have every single dialogue choice determine the outcome of a relationship.

I want the player to spend less time looking at a walkthrough in another window and immersing themselves in the game. I put a lot of time into writing the dialogue, so I appreciate it when people take the time to appreciate the difference.

Maybe it's a bit too 'slow burn'-ish though? 4 episodes in and (unless I'm missing something) the mc can only have sex with a couple of side characters. Meanwhile the 5 main girls have very little in the way of erotic content. Seems weird to have more sex scenes for side characters than for the main cast.
It's slow for a couple of reasons. One, I'm still trying to improve animations, so I don't want to do a major scene without a little more practice. The other is that I'm not going to rush it. You're not gonna hook up with a girl without knowing who she is. I've seen too many games where you hook up with a girl and then the relationship gets stagnant. I want to build a real relationship with all of these girls if you're going to sleep with them. Everybody is free to ignore the game and come back later when there's more content, kind of like binging on a show once all of the episodes are out.

And all of that leads to the last point I'll make for this wall of text to address everybody else. A lot of people have said they don't like certain characters, maybe all of them. And my response to that is that you don't know these characters. You don't know them or who they are. And maybe what you've seen is enough to say you don't care to know anything about them and you're done. And that's cool.

From the perspective of the MC, he doesn't see it as a problem. He sees it as a learning experience. He sees it as a chance for his own growth. He sees it as an opportunity, an almost selfish opportunity, for himself. The MC likes people, which includes all of the girls. And I'm not talking about liking girls in that he wants to sleep with them. I mean that he likes girls regardless of whether or not he's trying to sleep with them. If you don't like not having control over friendships, I get it. But he'll never be friends with anybody without a reason.

He's trying to get a psychology degree. He's trying to learn about people and dealing with people, involves dealing with personality types. Imagine him being a clinical psychiatrist and telling someone to 'fuck off' because they've got an attitude problem. I could just have him do that. Instead, the goal of the MC is trying to fix that. The MC is a psychologist. In my opinion, saying he's some gigantic simplord because he wants to help people oversimplifies the situation.

Anyway, that's the wall. Like I say with every wall, I'm not trying to change anybody's mind. I just wanted to explain my reasoning. Everything in the story has a purpose. I appreciate all of your feedback, good and bad. I'm always open to suggestions. It means a lot to me to those of you who gave me a chance, even if you hate the game. I'm trying.
 
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