VN Ren'Py A Mother's Love [Part 1-14 Plus] [OrbOrigin]

[RogMR]

I think that what is happening here is a debate over an "interpretation" of what NTR is. NTR or Netorare is a simple concept that really isn't debatable nor is it open to interpretation. It is a concept that is black and white, yes or no when used in a story line.

Dictionary.com - Netorare story lines typically focus on the internal distress caused by one member in a relationship cheating on the other.

Urban Dictionary - A term used for a story theme that focuses on a particular type of cheating or unfaithfulness.

Correct, but here in f95 the tags are used differently. NeToRi and NeToRare are not the same thing. Because generally those who love Netori, hate Netorare. Possibly the opposite is also true.
Netori is when the MC fucks the married woman. MC + Nicole (Netori = cheating TAG on f95 ). Netorare for John. But John's POV doesn't matter. Important is the player/MC's POV.
- Chloe fucking any NPC = Netorare = NTR (avoidable)
- Any love interest (LI) of MC fucking NPCs is NTR.
- John (or any NPC) fucking Silvia or side girls = Voyeurism on f95 (unavoidable). From Nicole's point of view it is NTR. But what matters is the MC's POV.

As you said, just misinterpretation, because f95 tries to make life easier for players who like one type of NTR but not the other type. I love this game, but I ignore 100% of games with unavoidable NeToRare.

For me, Netori (cheating here) is good. Netorare or Voyeurism with John are useless, but the MC story with Nicole saves the game and makes it one of my favorites.

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

Correct, but here in f95 the tags are used differently. NeToRi and NeToRare are not the same thing. Because generally those who love Netori, hate Netorare. Possibly the opposite is also true.
Netori is when the MC fucks the married woman. MC + Nicole (Netori = cheating TAG on f95 ). Netorare for John. But John's POV doesn't matter. Important is the player/MC's POV.
- Chloe fucking any NPC = Netorare = NTR (avoidable)
- Any love interest (LI) of MC fucking NPCs is NTR.
- John (or any NPC) fucking Silvia or side girls = Voyeurism on f95 (unavoidable). From Nicole's point of view it is NTR. But what matters is the MC's POV.

As you said, just misinterpretation, because f95 tries to make life easier for players who like one type of NTR but not the other type. I love this game, but I ignore 100% of games with unavoidable NeToRare.

For me, Netori (cheating here) is good. Netorare or Voyeurism with John are useless, but the MC story with Nicole saves the game and makes it one of my favorites.

Finally someone with intact cortex.

 

[KeyvinCarter]

Honestly? I don't think so. So far, each of the women shows jealousy whenever the MC does something with one of them.

I just want Nicole.
I don't care about Chloe at all. She prefers the old teacher anyway. Even when we play without the NTR when Chloe hasn't cheated on us, we can often see that she praises the teacher and never offends him, and when teacher insults the MC, Chloe doesn't even intend to defend the MC. She only says that Beeman is right.

But okay, because here I left the topic a bit away..

I don't think we got the MC x Nicole x Chloe scene.

MC alone, strives to be with his beloved Nicole, forgetting even his stupid girlfriend.

I, more than a threesome with Chloe and Nicole, would prefer Nicole to find out about John's affairs and be already fully in relationship with the MC. And I would like to finally hear from her words: "I love you.."

Can you please tell me which game is the girl in your first signature from?

 

[Qmil679]

Can you please tell me which game is the girl in your first signature from?

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[Cigzag]

Let's hope for best and prepare for worst.

We're probably going to get more Marilynn like always

 

[sleepingkirby]

Correct, but here in f95 the tags are used differently. NeToRi and NeToRare are not the same thing.

Just a reminder:
寝取られ(netorare) is a euphemism. It literally means sleep taken away from you. (the -rare part means done to you.)
寝取り(netori) is the same word/verb but conjunctive form. Usually mean that someone is doing.

So basically, one means someone "took sleep" from you while the other you're (sometimes implied) "taking sleep" from someone else. So basically, someone managed to cheat with your significant other (with the connotation of it being stolen or taken) while the other is simply someone is cheating.

So while it's all "cheating" the who and in which direction is different in both.

Not saying anyone is wrong or right, but let's not forget basic Japanese grammar.

 

[mica116]

Is there any discord server to be able to see the spoilers of this next release? In previous pages the images have expired. Thanks

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

Nice explanation.

So while it's all "cheating" the who and in which direction is different in both.

Though i have a doubt, If the female li already in relationship is having affair with mc behind her husband's back without him knowing does it mean she is just cheating/infidelity or ntr/netori? Does pov matters here? as it's just cheating according to mc, buts gets complicated if you look at it through the pov of husband. So does having the protagonist pov somehow changes the notion or you are saying cheating is ntr in disguise or both are same?

 

[Sk8587]

Any news about upcoming update?

 

[sleepingkirby]

Though i have a doubt, If the female li already in relationship is having affair with mc behind her husband's back without him knowing does it mean she is just cheating/infidelity or ntr/netori? Does pov matters here? as it's just cheating according to mc, buts gets complicated if you look at it through the pov of husband. So does having the protagonist pov somehow changes the notion or you are saying cheating is ntr in disguise or both are same?

If memory serves me right, there are other words in Japanese for what we in English call "cheating" like 浮気 (uwaki) and 不貞(futei). The connotation I get (not a native Japanese speaker, just took like 2~3 years of it in college and have been reading Japanese off and on for like 15+ years in addition to growing up around Japanese culture cause Japanese occupation.) is that ntr is specifically someone who's significant other was "taken". Either by seduction, blackmail or something similar. Netori is you doing the taking.

So yes, the POV does mattering for ntr/netori because both of those are verbs with explicitly or implicit direction written into the verb. The infinitive would be "netoru" which doesn't imply and direction.

So, in this case, the husband is being ntr, the mc is netori and the wife is just futei (不貞). But since seduction and/or corruption is involved, you can also potentially say she's "fallen" (堕ちる).

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

If memory serves me right, there are other words in Japanese for what we in English call "cheating" like 浮気 (uwaki) and 不貞(futei). The connotation I get (not a native Japanese speaker, just took like 2~3 years of it in college and have been reading Japanese off and on for like 15+ years in addition to growing up around Japanese culture cause Japanese occupation.) is that ntr is specifically someone who's significant other was "taken". Either by seduction, blackmail or something similar. Netori is you doing the taking.

So yes, the POV does mattering for ntr/netori because both of those are verbs with explicitly or implicit direction written into the verb. The infinitive would be "netoru" which doesn't imply and direction.

So, in this case, the husband is being ntr, the mc is netori and the wife is just futei (不貞). But since seduction and/or corruption is involved, you can also potentially say she's "fallen" (堕ちる).

So like RogMR said earlier and contrary to beliefs, admins at f95zone forum or connotation outside Japan changes so as it becomes just cheating when it comes to netori or other forms of cheating but only netorare is considered as ntr.

 

[sleepingkirby]

So like RogMR said earlier and contrary to beliefs, admins at f95zone forum or connotation outside Japan changes so as it becomes just cheating when it comes to netori or other forms of cheating but only netorare is considered as ntr.

No, not really. The meaning/connotation didn't change. People are just ignorant of what it actually means because if you do a dictionary translation, it comes up as "cheating." Like if you directly translate the Chinese name of the dish "kung pao chicken" into English, you get "the temple explodes the chicken cube". Ideas and words from other languages don't always translate one to one into English. But because most Americans like to pretend they're right and/or the authority on things they're not an authority on, they'll never admit they were mistaken or wrong. They'd rather make excuses and rationalize rather than learn about other cultures. I'm a fairly rare breed. A Taiwanese that learned Japanese that grew up in America. I've had my high school teacher approached me about the wonders of Chinese meditation. I've seen a blonde girl wear kimonos and have tea sets laying out because she was so into Japanese culture only for me to turn over the tea set and see the words "Made in China" on it. I've seen people with the tattoo " surname paralytics shake" on their neck because they think it means "sex drugs rock n' roll". I've been to museums that displayed cups, bowls and other china for their beautiful prints and ancient characters, only for me to read them to say "Made in Shanghai". You can either ignore the origins of a language and become that ugly American that the world hates, including the culture you very desperately try to enjoy and embed yourself into while said the people of said culture shun you, or you can learn that ignorance of a culture is a sign that one should learn more about it.

Every day, Taiwanese people at work ask me questions about America and English. They know they have misconceptions and they want to learn from it. Just yesterday, they asked me what delineates a hamburger from a sandwich. We try to take our ignorance as an opportunity to learn. We would very much hope you'd do the same instead of making up your own definitions because you didn't want to learn.

Addendum: I didn't want to stir up any trouble by saying someone is right or wrong, but now that I've gone this far, RogMR is right. He says POV doesn't matter and that's true if you're looking to define netori. The POV affects which direction it is. He wrote

Netori is when the MC fucks the married woman. MC + Nicole (Netori = cheating TAG on f95 ). Netorare for John. But John's POV doesn't matter. Important is the player/MC's POV.
- Chloe fucking any NPC = Netorare = NTR (avoidable)
- Any love interest (LI) of MC fucking NPCs is NTR.
- John (or any NPC) fucking Silvia or side girls = Voyeurism on f95 (unavoidable). From Nicole's point of view it is NTR. But what matters is the MC's POV.

I won't speak about how one wants to tag games because some people like to know. Some people like the option being available. But if a movie's rating is "blood, violence and sexual content", I would expect to see it but I wouldn't necessarily expect it all to happen to the main character. So if this game is tagged with netori and netorare, I can understand. If some people are put off by one or the other and only want to know what they'll have to experience, that's fine too. I personally feel that tags, summary of movies, game ratings, etc. will never be able to tell the entire subject matter of a media. However people want to tag it is their own choice..

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

Not saying anyone is wrong or right, but let's not forget basic Japanese grammar.

But because most Americans like to pretend they're right and/or the authority on things they're not an authority on, they'll never admit they were mistaken or wrong.

Cheers buddy, On lighter note though multiculturalism does add weight too it and don't think anything wrong in it

 

[sleepingkirby]

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Cheers buddy, On lighter note though multiculturalism does add weight too it and don't think anything wrong in it

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. And I literally speak 3 languages.

 

[mica116]

Is there any discord server to be able to see the spoilers of this next release? In previous pages the images have expired. Thanks

Someone? The teasers?

 

[Mograx]

No, not really. The meaning/connotation didn't change. People are just ignorant of what it actually means because if you do a dictionary translation, it comes up as "cheating." Like if you directly translate the Chinese name of the dish "kung pao chicken" into English, you get "the temple explodes the chicken cube". Ideas and words from other languages don't always translate one to one into English. But because most Americans like to pretend they're right and/or the authority on things they're not an authority on, they'll never admit they were mistaken or wrong. They'd rather make excuses and rationalize rather than learn about other cultures. I'm a fairly rare breed. A Taiwanese that learned Japanese that grew up in America. I've had my high school teacher approached me about the wonders of Chinese meditation. I've seen a blonde girl wear kimonos and have tea sets laying out because she was so into Japanese culture only for me to turn over the tea set and see the words "Made in China" on it. I've seen people with the tattoo " surname paralytics shake" on their neck because they think it means "sex drugs rock n' roll". I've been to museums that displayed cups, bowls and other china for their beautiful prints and ancient characters, only for me to read them to say "Made in Shanghai". You can either ignore the origins of a language and become that ugly American that the world hates, including the culture you very desperately try to enjoy and embed yourself into while said the people of said culture shun you, or you can learn that ignorance of a culture is a sign that one should learn more about it.

Every day, Taiwanese people at work ask me questions about America and English. They know they have misconceptions and they want to learn from it. Just yesterday, they asked me what delineates a hamburger from a sandwich. We try to take our ignorance as an opportunity to learn. We would very much hope you'd do the same instead of making up your own definitions because you didn't want to learn.

Addendum: I didn't want to stir up any trouble by saying someone is right or wrong, but now that I've gone this far, RogMR is right. He says POV doesn't matter and that's true if you're looking to define netori. The POV affects which direction it is. He wrote

I won't speak about how one wants to tag games because some people like to know. Some people like the option being available. But if a movie's rating is "blood, violence and sexual content", I would expect to see it but I wouldn't necessarily expect it all to happen to the main character. So if this game is tagged with netori and netorare, I can understand. If some people are put off by one or the other and only want to know what they'll have to experience, that's fine too. I personally feel that tags, summary of movies, game ratings, etc. will never be able to tell the entire subject matter of a media. However people want to tag it is their own choice..

Bro people typically jerk off to the video games here, not their own linguistic knowledge. Good on you, sincerely, but if you actually cared about other people learning it, you wouldn't talk shit about an entire country of people while making such a claim. Only an ignorant child paints an entire group of people with one brush.

You're just smelling your own farts at this point. Go back to reddit or sit down.

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

Bro people typically jerk off to the video games here, not their own linguistic knowledge. Good on you, sincerely, but if you actually cared about other people learning it, you wouldn't talk shit about an entire country of people while making such a claim. Only an ignorant child paints an entire group of people with one brush.

You're just smelling your own farts at this point. Go back to reddit or sit down.

Why don't you follow the advice you have given from start to end.

 

[cccxxx]

semantics
games should have english - english being the language used here - terms:
example
mc gets girls
competition gets girls you watch
competition gets girls you don't know
group sex
multiple marriages
ghost fucking

you get the picture
and yes it is about fapping - at least intelectually if not always phisically
it is not a site about wheater , politics or swimming with sharks

 

[sleepingkirby]

Bro people typically jerk off to the video games here, not their own linguistic knowledge. Good on you, sincerely, but if you actually cared about other people learning it, you wouldn't talk shit about an entire country of people while making such a claim. Only an ignorant child paints an entire group of people with one brush.

I'm sorry if you feel like I was shitting on Americans. I was talking about my literal experience as someone that lived and grew up there (29 years). I'm not trying to be a stickler to the linguistics, but merely trying to inform a misconception. I do the same with Taiwanese people with English.

Nothing I've said is anything new or surprising to people outside the US or people inside the US. So much so that it's a recurring topic with women in the US, black people in the US, and even a trait featured about a certain former US president :

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to which, many of his admirers considers a strength:

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So you feel that me talking about true things in which the very people I'm allegedly "painting with one brush" complains about and/or reveres is bad because... reasons? Are you insisting that I should spend my time telling lies, because that's not something I'm use to or would want to do.

All-in-all, if you feel so bad about being corrected or feel personally attacked about my recounts of my past, maybe I'm touching on something you've done/said? I know my college academic advisor (whom ended up being my advisor for my senior year project as well) also feels defensive when I bring up that he thought I'd never graduate.


Either way, I've explained what netorare is vs. netori. A conversation and question someone else started, mind you. To me, it was like reading 2 people arguing the difference between a cheeseburger and a hamburger (i.e. obvious if you understand the words/names.). I'm not here to make people want to learn, I'm just trying to fill in gaps of knowledge. But note that if, as a person, you put your own personal ego over learning about reality, that says more about you and less about the person supplying said facts no matter how insulting delivery method may be. I think the current term in the US for people who care more about their feelings than facts is... snowflake? I believe?

 

[NewTricks]

Can we take down the temperature in this thread, please? I just want to enjoy a funny game about banging my girlfriend's mom. One of y'all need to be the bigger man and bury this hatchet or I'm gonna start reporting these posts for being off-topic. I don't want to resort to this, mind you, but some of these posts are bordering on abusive.