VN Ren'Py A Perfect Marriage [v0.7.1b] [Mr Palmer]

[DarthSpitz717]

NTR is essentially about humiliation, and therefore making the victim as inadequate as possible, is a fairly necessary component of this genre. If Devs were to make characters like you suggest, it undermines the whole purpose of NTR, making the players share the shame and inadequacy of the protagonist's inability to satisfy his partner, leading him to being degraded when she cheats on him with other men, who are all more well-endowed, masculine, dominant and sexually experienced.

It's no coincidence, that in all Japanese games featuring NTR, the male protagonists are pathetic weaklings. If you're into NTR, you don't want a player character who could easily be one of the antagonists, you want someone who is very obviously a loser. That's what people who generally play NTR games want, which is why most Devs create them that way.

NTR is like having a fetish, so if for instance you were a person who had fetish for rubber clothing, wearing leather instead wouldn't do anything for you. It's no different for this.

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"NTR is essentially about humiliation, and therefore making the victim as inadequate as possible, is a fairly necessary component of this genre. If Devs were to make characters like you suggest, it undermines the whole purpose of NTR, making the players share the shame and inadequacy of the protagonist's inability to satisfy his partner, leading him to being degraded when she cheats on him with other men, who are all more well-endowed, masculine, dominant and sexually experienced."
You have hit the mark with David, Anna's husband, but perhaps not in the way you define NTR, at least not with this story. As a character David is average as far as males go, a good husband, mild mannered, and honest. But Where I think the developers are going is that Anna discovers another side of herself, and David can't scratch that itch that she will discover. We still have to get a clearer picture of Anna inner personality.

We already know the "big dick" trope is in the mix with Chris. Yes, most women prefer "average" dick sizes (6ish inches and etc.) But yes, it's also true every now and then a woman wants to experience big. So already David doesn't compare to Chris and Chris has more experience.

Jake, has looks and perhaps more techniques the David. As far as the plot goes, you have an everyday trope going. A co-worker lurking in the background in a troubled marriage. Now does the Jake route truly qualify as NTR? What if Anna and David were still happy in their marriage and Anna cheats for whatever reason? It's the main reason why I don't care about the Jake route and likely will not play it.... Its conventional, predictable, and boring.

It's no coincidence, that in all Japanese games featuring NTR, the male protagonists are pathetic weaklings. If you're into NTR, you don't want a player character who could easily be one of the antagonists, you want someone who is very obviously a loser. That's what people who generally play NTR games want, which is why most Devs create them that way.

Going back to your definition of NTR, David doesn't qualify as "pathetic," but maybe can be called a simp at worst or just plain. Where the game can take on NTR, is what Anna discovers from the other male love interests as I mentioned. The problems are first gamers' impatience with content to get to the "good parts." But to really nail down the other routes the release after this coming one will have to be a huge in content to explain Anna if it's the developers' goal to get some action started.

Now the Hank and Marcel routes are easier to define and develop. Corruption and submission make for an easy plot to follow with Hank. Still needs some background work to explain Anna's submissive nature to allow herself to be used by Hank where corruption evolves Anna's character. And all Marcel route needs is plausibility of bringing them together.

NTR is like having a fetish, so if for instance you were a person who had fetish for rubber clothing, wearing leather instead wouldn't do anything for you. It's no different for this.

You mentioned "fetish." The only way one can explain Marvin and Grant routes are what secret fetishes we are not aware of that would allow Anna do go down those rabbit holes. And the only way I see that is backstory and flashbacks to explain Anna's inner thoughts and dare I say "Darkside."

 

[stiltoboglovian412]

I agree with you about Chris but I wouldn't even give Jake a glass of water on a rainy day if he asked for it

no idea what that is even supposed to mean.

 

[PanchoPistolas33]

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"NTR is essentially about humiliation, and therefore making the victim as inadequate as possible, is a fairly necessary component of this genre. If Devs were to make characters like you suggest, it undermines the whole purpose of NTR, making the players share the shame and inadequacy of the protagonist's inability to satisfy his partner, leading him to being degraded when she cheats on him with other men, who are all more well-endowed, masculine, dominant and sexually experienced."
You have hit the mark with David, Anna's husband, but perhaps not in the way you define NTR, at least not with this story. As a character David is average as far as males go, a good husband, mild mannered, and honest. But Where I think the developers are going is that Anna discovers another side of herself, and David can't scratch that itch that she will discover. We still have to get a clearer picture of Anna inner personality.

We already know the "big dick" trope is in the mix with Chris. Yes, most women prefer "average" dick sizes (6ish inches and etc.) But yes, it's also true every now and then a woman wants to experience big. So already David doesn't compare to Chris and Chris has more experience.

Jake, has looks and perhaps more techniques the David. As far as the plot goes, you have an everyday trope going. A co-worker lurking in the background in a troubled marriage. Now does the Jake route truly qualify as NTR? What if Anna and David were still happy in their marriage and Anna cheats for whatever reason? It's the main reason why I don't care about the Jake route and likely will not play it.... Its conventional, predictable, and boring.

It's no coincidence, that in all Japanese games featuring NTR, the male protagonists are pathetic weaklings. If you're into NTR, you don't want a player character who could easily be one of the antagonists, you want someone who is very obviously a loser. That's what people who generally play NTR games want, which is why most Devs create them that way.

Going back to your definition of NTR, David doesn't qualify as "pathetic," but maybe can be called a simp at worst or just plain. Where the game can take on NTR, is what Anna discovers from the other male love interests as I mentioned. The problems are first gamers' impatience with content to get to the "good parts." But to really nail down the other routes the release after this coming one will have to be a huge in content to explain Anna if it's the developers' goal to get some action started.

Now the Hank and Marcel routes are easier to define and develop. Corruption and submission make for an easy plot to follow with Hank. Still needs some background work to explain Anna's submissive nature to allow herself to be used by Hank where corruption evolves Anna's character. And all Marcel route needs is plausibility of bringing them together.

NTR is like having a fetish, so if for instance you were a person who had fetish for rubber clothing, wearing leather instead wouldn't do anything for you. It's no different for this.

You mentioned "fetish." The only way one can explain Marvin and Grant routes are what secret fetishes we are not aware of that would allow Anna do go down those rabbit holes. And the only way I see that is backstory and flashbacks to explain Anna's inner thoughts and dare I say "Darkside."

If I remember correctly, you offered some time ago to write how you imagine the reconciliation between Anna and Grant, so I would like to read it if you don't mind.

 

[ItsNotUs]

Most people who play these types of games, have little interest in originality. What they want is to satisfy a particular itch and then jerk off. Just like some people like watching porn featuring a particular theme, and if that theme isn't there, it does nothing for them. This is no different. People like what they like, they don't need originality, they need the content that turns them on. And most people who like NTR, get turned on by very specific things. So if you take those things away, it stops being NTR and becomes something else entirely.

It’s always interesting for me to play while the story is being built, you’re waiting for when the woman will cheat for the first time and for what reason, how she fights with herself at such moments, but when the story comes to the point of no return where there is no longer a fight, it becomes completely uninteresting!

 

[Chaosguy]

It’s always interesting for me to play while the story is being built, you’re waiting for when the woman will cheat for the first time and for what reason, how she fights with herself at such moments, but when the story comes to the point of no return where there is no longer a fight, it becomes completely uninteresting!

So the after effects don't interest you?

 

[ItsNotUs]

So the after effects don't interest you?

I play the game to the end just to finish it - it’s like with an uninteresting movie that you watched half of and then watch the second half so you can simply cross it off the watched list.
Or what do you mean?

 

[Chaosguy]

Well like regrets and shame for cheating and how they deal with them. I like to see how the characters interact afterwards.

I know what your saying once the cheating is done so is the story most of the time. Unless the writer has some idea that extends it somehow. Which are far and few between. I for one can't wait until Anna does fall into temptation. (Hoping it's that "rat" Chris first. hehehe.)

 

[WhiteWolf619]

Thanks to ItsNotUs for locating the models. One nut job.

 

[ItsNotUs]

Well like regrets and shame for cheating and how they deal with them. I like to see how the characters interact afterwards.

I know what your saying once the cheating is done so is the story most of the time. Unless the writer has some idea that extends it somehow. Which are far and few between. I for one can't wait until Anna does fall into temptation. (Hoping it's that "rat" Chris first. hehehe.)

I’m also interested in how characters can then interact after betrayal - but in most NTR games (99.9%) this is not the case.

 

[Sadowdark]

Now the Hank and Marcel routes are easier to define and develop. Corruption and submission make for an easy plot to follow with Hank. Still needs some background work to explain Anna's submissive nature to allow herself to be used by Hank where corruption evolves Anna's character. And all Marcel route needs is plausibility of bringing them together.

Anna's submission to the penguin is simple, it reminds her of her deceased domineering father. And it's up to us whether he will be replaced by a penguin or not. Anna sees her deceased, domineering father in her old grandparents.

 

[sonne1999]

Anna's submission to the penguin is simple, it reminds her of her deceased domineering father. And it's up to us whether he will be replaced by a penguin or not. Anna sees her deceased, domineering father in her old grandparents.

I'm all for Anna submitting to him she can even call him daddy while he has his head buried between her thighs.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Anna's submission to the penguin is simple, it reminds her of her deceased domineering father. And it's up to us whether he will be replaced by a penguin or not. Anna sees her deceased, domineering father in her old grandparents.

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I think using the old "DADDY ISSUES" trope might not work so well to get Anna aroused. But daddy issues would impart solve a plot point of dominance and submission.

I wasn't sure just what the whole story was missing because Mr. Palmer to my knowledge hasn't touched on the topic of 'corruption' being part of the story. But I think there are hidden under tones of corruption I hadn't thought of--but if you look closely there it is in the story.

Corruption

1) Anna held Chris at arm's length till she discovered how exciting it was to show off her body. I always had put Anna's actions in sharing pictures with Chris as a need for self-validation that she was attractive. Now she is getting aroused doing it and seeing it. Still Chris is rather the unavoidable route so far.

2) Jake and Marcel, it seems (if you play those routes) makes Anna feel aroused that young attractive men are interested in her.

3) Its where Marvin comes in that I totally have missed Anna's corruption. With Marvin it's always been a hard no even if you click for Anna to allow Marvin to get away with his perversions. It has nothing to do with Anna being into old men, but her having power over Marvin and Anna gets her kicks having power over Marvin. And it goes back to David too of Anna having power over a man. David is as I said before a simp where Anna grew up in a world of dominate men.

4) It gets complicated with Grant when it comes to corruption because we haven't seen enough to establish just on what footing Anna and Grant's relationship sits on. Other then it was a secret relationship to go behind her father's back as some kind of rebellion against her father's tyranny. But if Anna was willing to sleep with Grant when she was in college... where there is smoke...

5) Still see the whole Hank route as straight up power play but see how Anna could get corrupted as their relationship would continue.

6) Anna's body and urges are the unintended consequences that of her own corruption. How and why, that is still needs to be explained as the story goes on, but we see it with each of Anna's adventures. I've deliberately ignored the Robinson route but within its Anna's own body that betrays her. Anna parts her legs when Marvin and she are at the booth at the bar. Chris had an effect on Anna when he grabbed her ass...etc...

 

[catgameryt011]

Mr. Palmer
Hello everyone,

Just a quick update that I’m alive and well. Production has been slow lately because March is a busy month in my life and I’ve been away from my computer for the past week, but I’m going to be full steam ahead for the remainder of March and all of April. I don’t have a time frame for next update, but I’d say we’ll be in pretty good shape by end of April, whether it’s ready to be released or not. I’ll share some more sneak peeks along the way, and I’ll respond to your comments when I have some free time. Looking forward to making some great progress in the coming weeks!

Thank you all for your support, patience and encouragement.

 

[ItsNotUs]

Mr. Palmer
Hello everyone,

Just a quick update that I’m alive and well. Production has been slow lately because March is a busy month in my life and I’ve been away from my computer for the past week, but I’m going to be full steam ahead for the remainder of March and all of April. I don’t have a time frame for next update, but I’d say we’ll be in pretty good shape by end of April, whether it’s ready to be released or not. I’ll share some more sneak peeks along the way, and I’ll respond to your comments when I have some free time. Looking forward to making some great progress in the coming weeks!

Thank you all for your support, patience and encouragement.

- Middle summer.
BB/

 

[Couto25]

So 3 updates in a year hopefully or 2 and a half because year end will be holidays

 

[taiyaki man]

最終的には廃止されることに投票します

 

[Tinez82]

最終的には廃止されることに投票します

That's exactly what I said....

 

[Haha9999]

最終的には廃止されることに投票します

しかし、なぜそんなことをするのでしょうか？

 

[Zara Scarlet]

It’s always interesting for me to play while the story is being built, you’re waiting for when the woman will cheat for the first time and for what reason, how she fights with herself at such moments, but when the story comes to the point of no return where there is no longer a fight, it becomes completely uninteresting!

Well that's just your opinion. Some of us have a different view. The whole point of corruption for a lot of us, is that the protagonist ends up getting corrupted, and starts enjoying an entirely different sexual experience, that deviates utterly from the norm, that you want her to fight to preserve. This is a fantasy game, where there's no real downside to ending up in an unconventional lifestyle. I assume it's uninteresting to you, because you don't want that, but it's very interesting to me, because I do. Not because I particularly want my life to be like that, but because I want the protagonist living in her fantasy world, to enjoy something that wouldn't be very practical for me.

Yes, my whole joy in playing these games, is getting the protagonist to succumb and be transformed from a loyal if frustrated wife or girlfriend, into a complete slut. But even when she starts cheating, I have no idea if she'll eventually reach that point. She might only go some way to becoming a slut, before the Dev either gets cold feet or he never intended for her to go that far anyway. I never really know if my particular itch is going to be scratched, and that's what keeps it interesting. And people who have different hopes for the protagonist's eventual corruption are in the same boat, and feel the same way I'm sure. We're all hoping for the outcome we want, and if the Devs good at his job, he'll keep making as many people as possible, believe that they'll get what they want....eventually.

 

[robrize2169]

i feel i have not said this enough latley #DEATHTOCHRIS