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eddje

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Apr 27, 2020
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Mr. Palmer.. just take your time.. people how are complaining certainly haven't done/accomplished anything in their life. besides some posts, of course..

For those not happy with development, there are thousands of alternative material for your 7 seconds of enjoyment.
 

DarthSpitz717

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Mar 28, 2023
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Do you understand what the real problem is?
And why does it take so much time to develop?

Mr. Palmer said that he already has a finished script! Individual branches will be developed as events progress, but the main part has already been written!
He sends the script to the artist and he, under his guidance, renders the pictures.
What the hell is stopping him at this moment (if you have a ready-made script) from writing a script (coding) for a future update and then, when you receive a pack of pictures, inserting them there with minor corrections? Mr. Palmer is waiting for the last moment when he gets all the pictures? Then he begins to write a script based on them and edits everything as he goes?
I don’t know - it seems like some kind of insanity!
When you look at the calendar of those devs who do the report, it clearly shows that the most expensive part is rendering, then processing in parallel is writing a script.
Someone who doesn’t have a plot begins a new update by writing down the events that will affect this update.

Mr. Palmer’s family comes first and that’s commendable, i can’t argue with that and the fact that he spends weekends with them is only a big plus for him as a person, but not as a developer!
- No need to specify the time frame for the update release - it will come out when it's ready - at least it's honest!
- And stop socralize Anna's nudity and sex in the game - then we won't have to wait for years to see her V!
Everything is very simple!
But Mr. Palmer, like many devs, wants to do something unique while gaining negativity because of absence things like nudity, etc. and all this together brings only disappointment!
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..... We also have to keep in mind that this isn't really a revenue venture but a pet project first. So its a work of passion--can even call it art
 

ItsNotUs

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May 14, 2023
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..... We also have to keep in mind that this isn't really a revenue venture but a pet project first. So its a work of passion--can even call it art
:ROFLMAO:
If that were the case, he would release the game for free! But it’s not, so you can draw your own conclusion!
 

Sharpx23

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Aug 15, 2022
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His Patreon options for the game are 4.50, 10, and 21.50. The fact that he listed these values as subscription fees blows my mind, because they are insanely high for a subscription fee - it doesn't matter that people can choose to do it or not. Nobody should be paying 21.50 as a subscription more than three times for a PC game. No PC game is worth more than $75 maybe a few exceptions will hit $100 or like SIMS 4 with it's 1 million DLCs.

What should have been policy on Patreon is you select the genre of your Patreon. If you select game, you now have a subscription fee limit, maximum $5. This means you can subscribe to a game for 1 year + 3 months at $5 and hit 75$. Or you can subscribe to the game for 6 years at $1.

Patreon could have included custom subscription option. Where the user inputs how much they want to donate monthly, for those billionaires who want to donate 21.50 a month for 6 years.

The way Patreon is doing it, is wrong, morally wrong. And the fact that Palmer doubled down on it with insane subscription fees, is wrong, morally wrong. I understand people can choose to opt out, but if that's the case they can choose donate 10,000$ too, so why shouldn't a donate button cover all of this choosing?

Why a subscription fee? You know why? Because people forget they subscribed to shit, and just end up sending 21.50 a month for a few months before they realize to shut it off, or sometimes they realize right away but they already sent the 21.50 for the next month despite not wanting too. If 100 people failed to cancel their subscription in time, that's 100 x 21.50.

This would only be helped if Patreon had something like an account draw limit. So I can set my limit to 75$, and then let the subscription run until it drains 75$, and it automatically shuts off after. Does patreon have this feature? If not then it's a scam site, Patreon wants to make as much money off subscriptions as possible, and people who use it love that.

EDIT: a glance at other patreon like AWAM and ORS, their first tiers are in 2-3 dollar range. their second tier is in 5-8 dollar range. And their last tier is in 15-18 dollar range. Palmer doubles his charge for first tier. Asks for $2 more on second, and up to $5+ more on last. lol But then he says "if you don't like update times i encourage you to subscribe once a month on release month"... yeah easy to pretend you care when you know 90% of people won't do that based on the pay model and stats. If there was a donate button he would probably make zero money. People donate once and then forget about you.

P.S And I doubt AWAM and ORS are prime examples of not being greedy lol but even they have lower subscription rates.

EDIT 2: Steps of debauchery, 2, 8.50 and 14.50. All games seems to have this range on patreon except our beloved Palmer. Steps of Debauchery is also a steam game. Sells for 19.49 on steam. So less than a 1 month subscription to Palmer.

And if we take a game like A life worth living, 2, 4.50, 7.50. His second tier is Palmers first tier. And all these games feel $2 is enough for a first tier. Palmer doesn't.
 
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uniformless

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Feb 20, 2021
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His Patreon options for the game are 4.50, 10, and 21.50. The fact that he listed these values as subscription fees blows my mind, because they are insanely high for a subscription fee - it doesn't matter that people can choose to do it or not. Nobody should be paying 21.50 as a subscription more than three times for a PC game. No PC game is worth more than $75 maybe a few exceptions will hit $100 or like SIMS 4 with it's 1 million DLCs.

What should have been policy on Patreon is you select the genre of your Patreon. If you select game, you now have a subscription fee limit, maximum $5. This means you can subscribe to a game for 1 year + 3 months at $5 and hit 75$. Or you can subscribe to the game for 6 years at $1.

Patreon could have included custom subscription option. Where the user inputs how much they want to donate monthly, for those billionaires who want to donate 21.50 a month for 6 years.

The way Patreon is doing it, is wrong, morally wrong. And the fact that Palmer doubled down on it with insane subscription fees, is wrong, morally wrong. I understand people can choose to opt out, but if that's the case they can choose donate 10,000$ too, so why shouldn't a donate button cover all of this choosing?

Why a subscription fee? You know why? Because people forget they subscribed to shit, and just end up sending 21.50 a month for a few months before they realize to shut it off, or sometimes they realize right away but they already sent the 21.50 for the next month despite not wanting too. If 100 people failed to cancel their subscription in time, that's 100 x 21.50.

This would only be helped if Patreon had something like an account draw limit. So I can set my limit to 75$, and then let the subscription run until it drains 75$, and it automatically shuts off after. Does patreon have this feature? If not then it's a scam site, Patreon wants to make as much money off subscriptions as possible, and people who use it love that.

EDIT: a glance at other patreon like AWAM and ORS, their first tiers are in 2-3 dollar range. their second tier is in 5-8 dollar range. And their last tier is in 15-18 dollar range. Palmer doubles his charge for first tier. Asks for $2 more on second, and up to $5+ more on last. lol But then he says "if you don't like update times i encourage you to subscribe once a month on release month"... yeah easy to pretend you care when you know 90% of people won't do that based on the pay model and stats. If there was a donate button he would probably make zero money. People donate once and then forget about you.

P.S And I doubt AWAM and ORS are prime examples of not being greedy lol but even they have lower subscription rates.

EDIT 2: Steps of debauchery, 2, 8.50 and 14.50. All games seems to have this range on patreon except our beloved Palmer. Steps of Debauchery is also a steam game. Sells for 19.49 on steam. So less than a 1 month subscription to Palmer.

And if we take a game like A life worth living, 2, 4.50, 7.50. His second tier is Palmers first tier. And all these games feel $2 is enough for a first tier. Palmer doesn't.
All your argumentation is irrelevant because you forgot the most important one : you don't have to pay to play the game (and I'm not talking about piracy). The subs are only there to give a early access before the public release. Who are you exactly to decide "it doesn't matter that people can choose to do it or not" when you speak about subscription fees?
 

Kliorkt

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Aug 21, 2021
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Mr. Palmer, don't even upload the new version. Delay it to next January! There is a lot of work for those *few* scenes. Fans will understand!

s/

Good game, don't speed up the progress
 
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Frankbob

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Dec 25, 2021
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After being around here awhile, I have changed how I donate to devs, I'll only pay when the update is finished, don't do monthly subscriptions anymore, give the dev an incentive to finish. If every one did this I bet we would be getting updates sooner and with better content and less devs would be fucking around. Some devs who prove consistency I'll leave sub reoccurring.


Hope over to the Her Desire thread and search through it and try to find people complaining about updates or content. Hardly find any. Wack Daddy doesn't fuck us around and has been consistent for over a year. East block dev is the same way.
 

secretcador

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Mar 14, 2020
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These Patreon porn games are all a scam. Just like paying for cable tv and still having to watch commercials. Just dumb.

1. Start Patreon
2. Develop first chapter, release it, and watch Patreon start to grow.
3. Make sure second release maintains expectations and really sets the scam hook.
4. As consecutive chapters are released time between chapters increases and quality slowly decreases.
5. Ensure sex scenes and corruption of MC are delayed or never happen to keep the dogs salivating.

Months end up becoming a year and a year soon becomes years. Developer states not doing this for the money, life gets in the way, I've been ill, etc, etc, etc. It's the same story or variation of the same story over and over and over again. AWAM, JOHN, Mrs. Denvers, APM, Love Honor Betray, My Brothers Wife. I could name more but it's all the same variations of the same theme.

Who the heck pays for anything before its finished? You don't pay BMW a monthly payment for years while they develop a new car only to receive it years in the future do you? You wouldn't pay for the new Call of Duty for years until its release, would you?

These porn games are fun and when done right can be awesome but don't ever subscribe or pay for anything until it's completed.
The pattern is being rewarded by blue-balled customers who throw their money and bark loudly out of fear that their balls will be left alone in the void if scammy developers decide to get “offended” and ghost their blue ball to purple. Hence, they will play nicely and patiently, and be grateful and positive about whatever outcome, choosing to trust no matter what because their balls are held as hostages, they have no other option, if they are not playing it nice, they will lose their balls forever. We can’t really blame them; the stakes are too high, scammy developers put their ball in jars, it's not an ordinary ball, it's their future.
 

Dolphine_KIIV

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Apr 28, 2023
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don't do monthly subscriptions anymore, give the dev an incentive to finish. If every one did this I bet we would be getting updates sooner and with better content and less devs would be fucking around. Some devs who prove consistency I'll leave sub reoccurring.
AVN is not mainstream in the porn industry. Developers/creators need support to perform in the field because the effort it takes to produce outweighs the market. Stopping support for developers will hurt this art form, decreasing the number of presumably 'great' works to come. One should always be mindful of the deceivers and only boycott them. Try to have some respect for the things you consume, even if you pay for them. This content is not released in thousands each year like porn films.
 
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Frankbob

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Dec 25, 2021
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AVN is not mainstream in the porn industry. Developers/creators need support to perform in the field because the effort it takes to produce outweighs the market. Stopping support for developers will hurt this art form, decreasing the number of presumably 'great' works to come. One should always be mindful of the deceivers and only boycott them. Try to have some respect for the things you consume, even if you pay for them. This content is not released in thousands each year like porn films.

They get support when the update comes out, not when game in finished.....So if update is ready every two to three months I would pay each time the update comes out.
 

TheUberstuff

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Jul 28, 2020
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The pattern is being rewarded by blue-balled customers who throw their money and bark loudly out of fear that their balls will be left alone in the void if scammy developers decide to get “offended” and ghost their blue ball to purple. Hence, they will play nicely and patiently, and be grateful and positive about whatever outcome, choosing to trust no matter what because their balls are held as hostages, they have no other option, if they are not playing it nice, they will lose their balls forever. We can’t really blame them; the stakes are too high, scammy developers put their ball in jars, it's not an ordinary ball, it's their future.
I wanted to both laugh at and love your comment, wish you could do both.
 
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TheUberstuff

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Jul 28, 2020
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AVN is not mainstream in the porn industry. Developers/creators need support to perform in the field because the effort it takes to produce outweighs the market. Stopping support for developers will hurt this art form, decreasing the number of presumably 'great' works to come. One should always be mindful of the deceivers and only boycott them. Try to have some respect for the things you consume, even if you pay for them. This content is not released in thousands each year like porn films.
Well then maybe devs need to stop being scammers and then people would fund them / trust them more to not jerk them off. Pun intended.
 
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sslovoe

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May 11, 2017
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maybe real artist abandon game
and creator use old pic with last pic artist make to milk game before all supporter find out
not know how long sick excuse use visit family
think next dexter eat his kid

newman will be ready milk his link
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frodoneo

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Dec 30, 2018
95
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These Patreon porn games are all a scam. Just like paying for cable tv and still having to watch commercials. Just dumb.

1. Start Patreon
2. Develop first chapter, release it, and watch Patreon start to grow.
3. Make sure second release maintains expectations and really sets the scam hook.
4. As consecutive chapters are released time between chapters increases and quality slowly decreases.
5. Ensure sex scenes and corruption of MC are delayed or never happen to keep the dogs salivating.

Months end up becoming a year and a year soon becomes years. Developer states not doing this for the money, life gets in the way, I've been ill, etc, etc, etc. It's the same story or variation of the same story over and over and over again. AWAM, JOHN, Mrs. Denvers, APM, Love Honor Betray, My Brothers Wife. I could name more but it's all the same variations of the same theme.

Who the heck pays for anything before its finished? You don't pay BMW a monthly payment for years while they develop a new car only to receive it years in the future do you? You wouldn't pay for the new Call of Duty for years until its release, would you?

These porn games are fun and when done right can be awesome but don't ever subscribe or pay for anything until it's completed.
Unfortunately I fell in this scam back in 2019. I paid L&P for 6 months straight for AWAM since it had a great intro and build up. I was like its gonna be anytime now that she will fuck someone. Been 5+ years now and we are still getting shitty ass lesbian updates. What a joke. I hope Patreon should have an option to request refund if things are not delivered on time as promise. May be that might push people to work for what they getting paid.
 
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