well this update was worthless as tits on a boar hog, just another way to prolong the story/updates.
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Except the guy isn't selling it as an ntr game, he's selling it as a "CONSEQUENCES MATTER" game. And call me crazy, but labeling it that kind of a game would imply to me that there is an actual thought being put into both the ntr AND non-ntr stories. Because there's an actual choice. Like the author claims there is.
I mean, oddly enough, when I played the porn game Acting Lessons and was told the choices matter in the game, the choices actually mattered. There's a character death in that game that's genuinely heart-wrenching because even though it's a porn game, the writing had made me care about both characters and then cruelly forced me to pick which one lived and which one died. And the endings are affected by the actions the player has taken in the previous episodes and so range from happy yet melancholy to entirely alone and all of them feel in keeping with your own actions.
Hell, even the game Superhuman manages to change whether certain characters live or die and how they interact with your character based on decisions you make regarding your abilities and who you choose to romance and how. It's a lot of effort, but it is entirely possible to give the players actual choice instead of the illusion of it without lying to them.
And in this game? Everything I've previously reiterated about Anna and the way the narrative twists itself into pretzels to shove her at quite literally everybody except David even into the supposed endrun that chapter 3 is supposed to be. But somehow instead of being a third act it feels like a desperate excuse to try and shove more cock in Anna's face instead of actually address the supposedly important plot that was meant to be the impetus behind all of this.
Basically the reason I'm so hard on the plot is because it claimed that the plot mattered but more and more it's feeling like it just doesn't. Maybe it's dumb of me to feel this way but my fundamental starting point is: If it's an ntr game, than just make it an ntr game. Don't blow smoke up my ass saying that the choices matter if it's actually just a choice between "town bike" and "fuck you you're doing it wrong."
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Kendra just turned up the bat shit crazy a notch with her pulling a gun on that Marcel dude. this shit is getting outta control. just wait till David finds out about her and confronts her about it. wouldn't be a shock if she kills David in a fit of rage and then comes to her senses and offs herself.. hm..now that is an ending i want to see.
this is just getting sadder and sadder. it was hot for a long time. it's too one-sided
I don't mind Leonard, Rob, Mr Sten etc as characters, I just hope dev doesn't waste too much time trying to make them sexual partners for Anna. We have plenty of guys already.
I don't mind him so much as he's at least different from the others, but yeah i wouldn't want any big buildup for him either.
For all you unhappy gentlemen complaining about this and that, look at the bright side. You're getting this game/story free of charge. I personally think the story is quite entertaining and the artistry exceptional. That said, my expectations are clearly a little more tempered than others. This is after all, an adult gaming site.
Yes, how ignorant of us to take the Dev at his word and treat the game the way he said he wanted it treated. Clearly we should've just patted him on the head and told him he's such a champ for making a real effort before ruffling his hair and sending him off with a cookie. Like a child you have no respect or expectations for.
If I didn't think the art and the project itself didn't have potential I wouldn't be here. If I really saw nothing worth thinking about or engaging with, I'd simply shrug my shoulders and walk away the way everyone else seems to dismissively suggest. I thought his pitch for it sounded interesting, I was intrigued by the characters when the game first started getting published. Am I not allowed to have my feelings change based on how it has developed? Am I to simply arrest any thought or engagement at the five year old stage of 'ooh shiny lights on screen!' when the author themselves apparently wanted it taken seriously?
Maybe I'm missing something, but that attitude seems far more dismissive and demeaning than taking the work at the value its author claimed to want it to have. I mean, if we're just going to dismiss Palmer's work as just another porn game when he himself described it as a story where we decide the fate of actual characters, then what's the point of even talking about it like this? Offering honest thoughts and elaborating on where our heads are at regarding it?
Why call it a story if we're just going to treat it as moving cave paintings of people bumping uglies?
I am not particularly holding my breath for it, but considering the outline on page one here says that Act 1 and Act 2 are supposed to set up how Act 3 plays out, which to my understanding is supposed to be the ending/final act, we don't really know if the choices have mattered or not yet. For all we know, your choices have kept a background tally that determines if things are resolved in certain ways. Judging it now is like building 70% of a Lego set and then saying the box lied to you because what you built doesn't look like the picture on the box yet.
For the record as well, Acting Lessons is made by one of the most well known game authors on this site. So... yeah, most porn games may not have shit for plot, but his and a few others do, they just are pretty much the exception, not the rule. Acting lessons and BaD being some of the best porn games I have ever played as far as getting you invested in them. Superhuman actually doing a pretty decent job of it too, even if the art is a bit out there by comparison.
I didn't intend to say that every porn game ever is shallow and to never expect anything from them, just that MOST, are not going to give you what you seem to want. plus, we are on F95, which means we are getting a pretty wide spread of content, that is not curated at all. Even a lot of 1.0 and beyond stuff here is still not exactly quality, or comparable to other more popular or well known content.
You just seem really worked up about something that is not going to do anyone, even yourself, any good to get worked up over. Admittedly in most NTR plots, its sort of the point to get at least minimally invested or it doesn't really work, but still. Pretty sure this has always been slated to be an NTR game, like, I played it back before Act 1 was even close to finished, and it was tagged as NTR since that time. So saying they should either make it NTR or not, seems kind of... silly. Its always been an NTR game, and the choices haven't been "to NTR or not to NTR" its been based on degrees of betrayal. If everyone has just maximally stabbed everyone else in the back, it seems unlikely there is any sort of resolution that keeps the marriage together and them going forward in any meaningful way. Even if that is the only "consequence" of your choices through the whole game, I think thats still pretty impactful.
I am trying to believe that your arguement is about if your choices are impactful or not, and not about NTR being avoidable or not.
Obviously I could just be talking out my ass, and when 1.0 comes that there is literally no resolution of anything, and nothing you decide throughout makes any difference. But getting upset about it now just seems premature based on the history of the game so far. I am sure I will look very dumb if that comes to be, but oh well.
Also, many of your presented standpoints seem to present only two opposite extremes. Like either "We believe this developer 100% and treat this as gold!" or " author make game about unga bunga naked monkey sex." as if there is no in between. I approach these games with a degree of pragmatism, enough have bombed for me to not sit and get busted up over every single one I think has potential, if that happens? Hopefully get a decent fap out of it, if it doesn't? Get a good story and several faps. But I am not going to sit and go "this dev said to take his work seriously, so thats what I am gonna do this time!" no, that would be silly, and naive. I will hope it lives up to it, but I don't see the point in getting butthurt that it doesn't unless I am investing money and getting promises in return.
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Well regardless of how it al works out, I do appreciate you engaging in good faith with what I'm trying to say.
I'm not highbrow by any means. I just recently played that Grandpa Comes Home & Alley Woes novels by Valedon because the art style looked exaggerated in ways I could go for. That had really strong ntr elements.
But the author didn't try to sell it as a serious story in the description. It was literally just: "A grandpa comes home to his thicc family" and "a rich girl gets pounded by hung homeless." God knows it didn't even amount to the level of a doujin you might find on a website but it gave me some brief enjoyment from the exaggerated proportions and breezy pace.
This is talking about whether you're going to save or destroy a marriage. About how their happiness is in your hands. How your choices shape their future and how there will be consequences to actions. In other words, it's talking about itself in the terms of a game where the player can do things the dev themselves might not have wanted or agreed with. Like they have an actual say in what's happening.
And I have a bad habit of trying to take people at their word. If you tell me it's just an ntr game where smaller dicks get their big titted girls fucked by hung bulls, I'm down. If you tell me you've got a story to tell and you want me to invest in your characters, I'll gladly empathize so I can smile and cry for them.
But don't try to tell me the choices matter if they don't. Don't tell me there's a fork in the road if there's only one path. And don't tell me there are consequences to actions if the story itself isn't going to actually let me act instead of tell me at every turn I don't know what story I'm trying to make and calling me a dumbass for treating it the way it claimed it wanted to be treated.
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I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this. But damn a lot of bitching and moaning about a free game on a pirate site. Just move along if it's not your thing.
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I think that you've picked up what others refuse to, that Anne is a narcissistic hypocrite who lives in a carefully curated reality where she can do no wrong and is always a victim of circumstance. Me and my partner picked it up in her first POV chapter when we were horrified upon hearing her thoughts. At first we just kind of thought she was dumb. Upon hearing how conniving the thoughts going through her head were we realized she was so much worse. David doesn't need a marriage counselor he needs the witness protection program to help him disappear.
Yeah, I really didn't need to see old man Stenstromburger spanking the monkey.This update surprised me now I don't know who is worse Chris or Mr Stenstromber.
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Kendra and Anna showing some skin was the great salvation, removing the withered dicks And poor little Marvin..
THIS. Either in faithful or unfaithful route, she always believes she's in the right. Ignoring his father and David's advice of not getting too comfortable and kind around other people is the prove. So, the potrayal and self thought of her being a naive woman is just her own illusion.
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ABSOLUTELY and TOTALLY agree with you. A huge and unnecessary waste of render-time, considering the fact that in the last update the dev, when asked why Anna wasn't seen during the phone chat with Chris, replied that it would have taken too long to render a scene/animation. And here we are, admiring an animated sausage festival.
lol we were promised Anna but instead we get dongers
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The male nudity count in this game is far higher than the female. Like watching a post me-too drama. The 70 year old misanthrope wanking on the bed was a real passion killer, yeah thanks for that. Was an early supporter of this, but it's starting to disappear up its own arse. Supporting Corrupted Hearts atm. Now there's a great NTR story line.
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I've already done something like this, search this thread, I just did it % these endings are likely
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That's cause some people take the story too seriously when the dev is making his own version of
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