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Canto Forte

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We all know Anna shut Chris totally out of her life after he tried multiple times to drunk rape her.
That is canon. You seem to be constantly expecting past for sure no nos be repeating themselves.
That's totally true, but the thing is David is supposed to be a rather jealous guy. As players, we can encourage him to trust Anna more, but the jealousy previously got to the point that Anna started feeling the need to keep things from him just to avoid fights (for instance, she doesn't tell him about Hank grabbing her or Chris continually flirting with her). David's normally a nice guy, but I don't think of him as passive or oblivious. I'm amazed he was even able to contain his anger when Chris made a pass at his wife right in front of him. Granted, it's been well-established that David does have blinders on when it comes to Chris, and he could try to excuse Chris because he had been drinking or brush it off as a joke as Anna tells him to...but that seems more like the kind of self-delusion a passive or oblivious person would engage in. At some point, I expect to see the beast emerge if David's truly the jealous type.

Incidentally, I don't see David ending his friendship with Chris as necessarily stopping Anna and Chris from getting together. If David had exploded or gotten violent, I bet Anna would have been upset with him for acting like a jealous schoolboy. She'd surely have responded to Chris if he texted her some sad message about David refusing to talk to him. If he invited Anna for a coffee so they could talk about whether his friendship with David was salvageable, I could totally see her accepting that offer. Of course, since it's Chris we're talking about he'd probably invite her to the bar for a beer and then try to get her drunk enough to fuck him, but you get my point. Chris already seems to talk to Anna more than David so the "friendship" between the two guys is on thin ice already and fraying more by the day.
invite her to the bar for a beer and then try to get her drunk enough to fuck him
Chris already seems to talk to Anna more than David
You still have not advanced any way shape or form that we could feel any way better
about being tied of hands and feet in situations where Ann and Chris themselves expect
David to do something but this game cut out all the game out of gaming.
 

EndlessNights

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We all know Anna shut Chris totally out of her life after he tried multiple times to drunk rape her.
That is canon. You seem to be constantly expecting past for sure no nos be repeating themselves.
Well, I for one didn't know that. Do you have screenshots to back that claim up?

Anna definitely doesn't initially like Chris. He creates a bad first impression by hitting on her while she's on a date with David. Once she gets to know him better, she doesn't like his attitude towards women (especially his constant bragging about his conquests) and becomes angry when he cheats on a friend of hers after they had started dating. Chris and Anna bury the hatchet at the wedding and essentially become friends from that point on.
 

Sadowdark

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Well, I for one didn't know that. Do you have screenshots to back that claim up?

Anna definitely doesn't initially like Chris. He creates a bad first impression by hitting on her while she's on a date with David. Once she gets to know him better, she doesn't like his attitude towards women (especially his constant bragging about his conquests) and becomes angry when he cheats on a friend of hers after they had started dating. Chris and Anna bury the hatchet at the wedding and essentially become friends from that point on.
And influenced by the photos of Anna when David shows them to Chris. Angry Chris returns and wants to fuck Anna. Only Anna does not know that angry Chris is back and the truce is no longer in force.
 

Ass Fan

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And influenced by the photos of Anna when David shows them to Chris. Angry Chris returns and wants to fuck Anna. Only Anna does not know that angry Chris is back and the truce is no longer in force.
(y) Very well said for me Anna will just be another conquest for Chris or maybe something the most future wife is just Anna who can't see that but I don't think that's her case Anna is not stupid she is an intelligent woman and knows very well the Chris' intentions
 

Canto Forte

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This game is telling a story of how the couple came to be:
Chris CONSTANTLY HITTING ON ANNA AND ANNA
CONSTANTLY TELLING HIM ”GO FKK YOURSELF!” FOR THE WHOLE 9 MONTHS.

Anna CONSTANTLY ONLY HAVING EYES, YEARS, KISSES, HUGS, CUDDLES FOR DAVID
FROM THE MOMENT SHE MET CHRIS THE ASSHOLE TO THIS DAY.

Now you all seem dead set on seeing the same slurrs and same gropes as the already dead and gone prologue ones we were all made aware of from the very first scenes.

How do y”all suppose this game is going anywhere with a dumber than dust Chris?
You seem dead set on making Ann the dead beat no brain cells whore right this second.

Chris right now is going straight into rape and murder, american psycho style.
Anything else and we are back to old disgusting manga with alcohool rape and
the woman finding out she likes being raped and beaten into worthless lump of raw meat.
 

Psycroptic

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This game is telling a story of how the couple came to be:
Chris CONSTANTLY HITTING ON ANNA AND ANNA
CONSTANTLY TELLING HIM ”GO FKK YOURSELF!” FOR THE WHOLE 9 MONTHS.

Anna CONSTANTLY ONLY HAVING EYES, YEARS, KISSES, HUGS, CUDDLES FOR DAVID
FROM THE MOMENT SHE MET CHRIS THE ASSHOLE TO THIS DAY.

Now you all seem dead set on seeing the same slurrs and same gropes as the already dead and gone prologue ones we were all made aware of from the very first scenes.

How do y”all suppose this game is going anywhere with a dumber than dust Chris?
You seem dead set on making Ann the dead beat no brain cells whore right this second.

Chris right now is going straight into rape and murder, american psycho style.
Anything else and we are back to old disgusting manga with alcohool rape and
the woman finding out she likes being raped and beaten into worthless lump of raw meat.
You're so far off on your assessments.
 

Thriller99

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@Mr_Palmer Hey man firstly I like this game and loved slow corruption and story so far. But I have a small question and criticism: first, all updates until part 3 will be 1 playable day? if so, this means Anna's part will take 5 months to complete. I think that's what people here are whining about, people might be more satisfied if each update had 3 4 playable days because otherwise people might not be very satisfied because it may not be enough to wait 1 month and see playable 1 day. But of course its easy to say I'm just suggesting. I will be glad if you answer.
 

Sadowdark

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@Mr_Palmer Hey man firstly I like this game and loved slow corruption and story so far. But I have a small question and criticism: first, all updates until part 3 will be 1 playable day? if so, this means Anna's part will take 5 months to complete. I think that's what people here are whining about, people might be more satisfied if each update had 3 4 playable days because otherwise people might not be very satisfied because it may not be enough to wait 1 month and see playable 1 day. But of course its easy to say I'm just suggesting. I will be glad if you answer.
Dev said Ch3 would start where Ch2 ends.
 

Mr_Palmer

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@Mr_Palmer Hey man firstly I like this game and loved slow corruption and story so far. But I have a small question and criticism: first, all updates until part 3 will be 1 playable day? if so, this means Anna's part will take 5 months to complete. I think that's what people here are whining about, people might be more satisfied if each update had 3 4 playable days because otherwise people might not be very satisfied because it may not be enough to wait 1 month and see playable 1 day. But of course its easy to say I'm just suggesting. I will be glad if you answer.
Hello, I understand the frustration which is why I warn with every update that if you don’t like shorter updates to wait to download until after a few updates. I did a poll, and the patrons overwhelmingly voted that I continue to release updates as I go, instead of waiting, so I’m going to continue to release once I finish each playable day.

I’ll point out that v0.5 will actually contain Fri and Sat. It’s possible if a playable day is really short I may include it with another day.

This VN is something I do in my free time, and I don’t have any intention of making this a huge production. It’s just an artist and me. It takes a lot of time to develop this, so if the pacing is too slow, I strongly suggest that people check back in a year and you’ll have plenty of content, maybe even a finished story if everything works out perfectly.
 
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Rigitino

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Hello, I understand the frustration which is why I warn with every update that if you don’t like shorter updates to wait to download until after a few updates. I did a poll, and the patrons overwhelmingly voted that I continue to release updates as I go, instead of waiting, so I’m going to continue to release once I finish each playable day.

I’ll point out that v0.5 will actually contain Fri and Sat. It’s possible if a playable day is really short I may include it with another day.

This VN is something I do in my free time, and I don’t have any intention of making this a huge production. It’s just an artist and me. It takes a lot of time to develop this, so if the pacing is too slow, I strongly suggest that people check back in a year and you’ll have plenty of content, maybe even a finished story if everything works out perfectly.
You see, I really appreciate the transparency and honestly. I just hope you understand that for a lot of us, contributing to this game isn't worth it when we're told to "come back in a year" when we ask about content. No hate, really. You vision for your game is great and I only wish I could see the final product now. I just want to lay it out there so you understand why some of us (like me) are going to stop contributing, even though we don't necessarily think the game is bad.
 

Mr_Palmer

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You see, I really appreciate the transparency and honestly. I just hope you understand that for a lot of us, contributing to this game isn't worth it when we're told to "come back in a year" when we ask about content. No hate, really. You vision for your game is great and I only wish I could see the final product now. I just want to lay it out there so you understand why some of us (like me) are going to stop contributing, even though we don't necessarily think the game is bad.
That’s fine, I appreciate anything that you contribute. At the end of the day I want to make a great VN that fans will love first and foremost. I’m not going mislead anyone... There’s still a lot of writing, programming, and rendering that has to happen, and based on the pace so far, it’s going to take months to complete, considering I have a full time job. And I had to find a new artist recently. I love working on this project and will try to move forward as fast as I can.
 

Adolfo

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You see, I really appreciate the transparency and honestly. I just hope you understand that for a lot of us, contributing to this game isn't worth it when we're told to "come back in a year" when we ask about content. No hate, really. You vision for your game is great and I only wish I could see the final product now. I just want to lay it out there so you understand why some of us (like me) are going to stop contributing, even though we don't necessarily think the game is bad.
Even the development is slow, because the story needs it. The game worths to pay for it. Next month I will begun to pay, just a little, but is one of the games thst I want to see the evolution, even if there is no sex at the moment. I want to see Anna corrupted by Chris, deceived by her officce mates and blackmailed by her boss meanwhile her husband is absolutely innocent (I think there will be a way).
 

EndlessNights

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You see, I really appreciate the transparency and honestly. I just hope you understand that for a lot of us, contributing to this game isn't worth it when we're told to "come back in a year" when we ask about content. No hate, really. You vision for your game is great and I only wish I could see the final product now. I just want to lay it out there so you understand why some of us (like me) are going to stop contributing, even though we don't necessarily think the game is bad.
I feel like every person who plays VNs has probably been where you are at some point. Waiting is frustrating. We all want to see where the story goes while we're still alive enough to enjoy it. That said, though, I think A Perfect Marriage is doing better than many of its peers. The monthly updates, even if short, come out reliably. I look forward every month to playing the new version and talking about the latest developments with you guys. There's a game called Offcuts whose fans have literally been waiting for YEARS to play the promised next update. There's serious talk on the Summer's Gone thread about the game not being finished for decades at the current development pace. Even a game like A Promise Best Left Unkept which updates regularly and has a story that is almost finished is still a long way from actually being done because of all the planned endings. Even if it takes 2-3 years to finish A Perfect Marriage, I think that'd be a pretty reasonable timeline. Rendering images in particular is a slow process that will always be a bottleneck on development barring some sudden technological advance.

Whether you should continue to support the game and developer on Patreon is a deeply personal decision. That's your money going out every month so you should decide what makes the most sense for you and your budget. There's also no rule that says you can't take a break and come back later. Or just pay what you want on Itch after downloading the free update from there.
 
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NathanSlayer

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That’s fine, I appreciate anything that you contribute. At the end of the day I want to make a great VN that fans will love first and foremost. I’m not going mislead anyone... There’s still a lot of writing, programming, and rendering that has to happen, and based on the pace so far, it’s going to take months to complete, considering I have a full time job. And I had to find a new artist recently. I love working on this project and will try to move forward as fast as I can.
Bro please don't mind, but bro why do you sound like LnP from AWAM. Very similar
 
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Rigitino

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I feel like every person who plays VNs has probably been where you are at some point. Waiting is frustrating. We all want to see where the story goes while we're still alive enough to enjoy it. That said, though, I think A Perfect Marriage is doing better than many of its peers. The monthly updates, even if short, come out reliably. I look forward every month to playing the new version and talking about the latest developments with you guys. There's a game called Offcuts whose fans have literally been waiting for YEARS to play the promised next update. There's serious talk on the Summer's Gone thread about the game not being finished for decades at the current development pace. Even a game like A Promise Best Left Unkept which updates regularly and has a story that is almost finished is still a long way from actually being done because of all the planned endings. Even if it takes 2-3 years to finish A Perfect Marriage, I think that'd be a pretty reasonable timeline. Rendering images in particular is a slow process that will always be a bottleneck on development barring some sudden technological advance.

Whether you should continue to support the game and developer on Patreon is a deeply personal decision. That's your money going out every month so you should decide what makes the most sense for you and your budget. There's also no rule that says you can't take a break and come back later. Or just pay what you want on Itch after downloading the free update from there.
I kind of agree and kind of disagree. I've actually been involved with the VN community for a pretty long time at this point and am have become selective *because* of my experience, not a lack of it. I've contributed to too many promising games centered around a slow burn philosophy with a dev working on it part time where the game has ended up with an abandoned tag or consistent no-content updated to "expand the (milk patrons) story" or, like you mentioned, colossal periods between updates.

I personally do not think that these games should be viewed from the perspective of how long it took for the game to finish. Ultimately, this is all porn, just in a game medium. I'd even argue that almost all games on this site work off the idea that they are providing independent content for stimulation every time they update. After your game has developed the groundwork it needs for the game to flow correctly and for the story to start to make sense, what needs to be asked for every, or at least most, updates is "Has masturbatory content been provided." I assume the case will be made that the groundwork won't be laid out until v3. If that's the case, sure, but I personally can't justify contributing to a game for a *year* with the expectation that there will be no content for that entire backing period. We don't even know how the sexual CGs are going to look, as we're 4 updates in and haven't seen any. The graphical prowess of a dev to make a sexual scene both realistic looking and arousing is often the make or break for games, so to have that pushed so far in the future makes it hard to guarantee this will be worth it in the end.

The reason games like A Promise Best Left Unkept, the Aederin Studio games, Rick and Morty: A Way Home, etc work is because every update they're moving forward, and they didn't take a year to get to their content. Aederin Studios, last I heard, is a 2 or 3 person team and have released monthly updates for like 2 years, with each update being a worthwhile independent justification for the contribution amount.

Ultimately, I think the most recent update was a step backwards, not forward, and I worry that this is how the next half dozen updates are going to look. Think about it like this: What could the dev possibly add in the first 3 updates of Anna's perspective to make it more worthwhile than those 3 months being used to push the story forward. I think the design philosophy of releasing 5 versions from one perspective and then 5 updates from Anna's perspective is going to kill all of the momentum this game builds. I've seen this script play out too many time, and it almost always leads to burnout and then an abandoned tag. I'd love to be proven wrong, though, as this game has potential. I just can't be asked to fund another game that has potential but no content
 
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EndlessNights

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I personally do not think that these games should be viewed from the perspective of how long it took for the game to finish. Ultimately, this is all porn, just in a game medium. I'd even argue that almost all games on this site work off the idea that they are providing independent content for stimulation every time they update. After your game has developed the groundwork it needs for the game to flow correctly and for the story to start to make sense, what needs to be asked for every, or at least most, updates is "Has masturbatory content been provided." I assume the case will be made that the groundwork won't be laid out until v3. If that's the case, sure, but I personally can't justify contributing to a game for a *year* with the expectation that there will be no content for that entire backing period. We don't even know how the sexual CGs are going to look, as we're 4 updates in and haven't seen any. The graphical prowess of a dev to make a sexual scene both realistic looking and arousing is often the make or break for games, so to have that pushed so far in the future makes it hard to guarantee this will be worth it in the end.
Good points. I misunderstood your original post because I thought you were saying the game was taking too long to reach a conclusion when what you were really saying is that it's taking too long to get to the good stuff. It's indeed true that many games that present themselves as slow burn and delay the sex scenes actually never end up burning much at all so that's a totally understandable concern. However, I also feel like sex scenes often come at the expense of the story especially when they happen with too little buildup. For instance, in The Adventurous Couple Anne at times seems more like a convenient vehicle for sex scenes than a living, breathing human being with thoughts and feelings. I still remember when she was extremely reluctant about engaging in the new lifestyle her husband had proposed...boy, that period sure didn't last long.

I think there are basically three types of people who play AVNs who often don't understand each other very well: there are those who play primarily for the fap, those who play primarily for the story and the characters, and those who fall in between those two extremes but probably lean more to one side than the other. It's very difficult to please everyone even though all the groups often play the exact same games. I personally am much more on the story side of the spectrum. I tend to think of my favorite VNs as being more akin to erotic thrillers than to straight up Bang Bus style porn. The hot scenes spice up the story and make it more exciting, but I don't actually stop and fap while playing because I'm too invested in finding out what'll happen next. I usually won't complain about a lack of sex too much as long as I find the story engaging and the characters interesting which is definitely the case with A Perfect Marriage so far. But yeah, even I would probably get bored at some point if the sex absolutely never happens.

I wonder if a reasonable compromise in the short term might be to have more scenes with David and Anna that are more sensuously posed than their initial encounter was. That would make sense given where we are in the story and wouldn't require any sudden corruption. I think their first scene was more about Anna's sexual frustration and what it was about to lead to so it made sense it was presented the way it was, but it definitely could've been hotter it had been shown from a different angle and had displayed Anna in all of her glory. I don't necessarily want to see a sex scene absolutely be required every update -- that seems too formulaic -- but I agree with you that we should probably be getting more of a feel for what Mr. Palmer's idea of eroticism is like by now. A scene with Anna masturbating could make sense for chapter 2 as well.
 
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