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The reason that you just told to support this VN for not showing nudity or sex are pointless after 2 years of development because:
1. You said people are only obsessed with Ana's nudity: The whole principle of creating this VN is to make people obsessed with Ana's nudity and sex. Good stories also have good timing for events to occur. Some will say not enough back story has been established or the character hasn't reached that breaking point yet. Or that they have. Thing is with Anna; she got her heart broke when she found out David cheated {sic}--just how soon does it seem reasonable that Anna herself will cheat based on all the factors is the question. Is there a good point and time were Anna should appear nude?
2. How Ana will go for sex in next 2 updates ..whether she will drink or free will??? The whole story has been build up giving 100000000000000 reasons to support Ana to cheat....a) she thinks david cheated on her. b) david cannot support her financially That hasn't been established or Anna hasn't found out about David's company's condition depending what choice a player made....c) David is not able to satisfy her sexually in corrupt path by holding sex.. kind of... actually Anna tried to get a little from David but its possible David isn't as talented as Anna's past relationships and finds David's skill OK(ish)--maybe d) She is surrounded by people who are approaching her for sex e) Ana in corrupt path has developed naughty tendency and allow herself to other people touches willingly (whether as a favor or not it doesn't matter) she is allowing touches because she has sexual desires
We are told Anna is by nature a "lusty" person and it's only the institution of being married that has kept her faithful..countless i can give 13 more reasons in every path if i include Ana career and financial aspects too..these all things are going for 2 years for now. He can create any scenario whether drunk or free will and can show the scene....it doesn't matter, he showed so many reasons for ana to cheat. Why would it ruin the story?? It is going that has been told in the story itself. And for those who still believe Ana should be faithful and shy in faithful path can skip other characters approach. I don't think Anna's own naughtiness has risen to that level where it becomes overpowering...yet

This game is not getting closer to sex. That's what you believe...AWAM just introduced more characters in their VN that's why it is taking long time to reach sex AWAM has its own problems. Its a writing strategy that doesn't track with plausibilty and human nature (In AWAM, I think the writer is keeping the slow burn going for the sake of the slow burn and wants an all at once grand finally of all routes...because Sophia path is developing with each and every characters alternativelty...And Awam has all genre lesbian, incest, child sex everything beside only straight cheating sex...This VN has less characters and less genre that's why it should be fast...only straight cheating sex ....if AWAM would have sticked to only straight cheating path...that VN has overtaken A perfect marriage in terms of sex. Jury is still out just what this game will take us
Again ..I will never understand how much background story someone need until ana remove her clothes??? CH1 is all about introduction of their background, friends, office people and family...i think it was enough...That's why I said it will stay as daily soap opera mode if update will go on daily basis and people will judge Ana's corruption on the basis of days after breakup. The story progress and update should be on event basis. Like , if on day 3 something happens that affects Ana's corruption decision ..that part should be covered in the update rather what happens after break up , how did they spend weekend, then what happens on Monday and Tuesday and so one ...day by day basis. Else people will judge on the basis on how soon it's for ana to cheat...somebody asked on thread above saying nobody is claiming that introduction of sex is so soon...I told them there are people who wants to know whole astronomy of Ana and her Astrological sign before watching her nude lol...it's on individual basis how much background info they want to know but that's one point.
There were many occasions where Ana could be shown nude...sex with David, while masturbating, touching and groping from Chris and Marvin could have been made a little more intimate where they touch inside boobs/ her panty too, exchanging pic after showing Chris dick could have been nude..like Robinson touched boobs from outside and her uncle groped her ass from outside in the flashback scenes from the past....same pattern should not have been repeated with Chris and Marvin on CH2 ...he could have shown groping and touching from inside with little nudity. Like when changing in locker room where Marvin groped her, he could have shown upper body nudity there while Marvin grope

Now coming to Ana's naughtiness point you said it's not enough...I will say it's the developer fault because he should have added tease and nudity while developing CH2 itself but he went against nudity and story lovers ( no offence) loved it because the update has been shown as daily soap opera basis rather than on event basis. Someone cannot show ana is shy today and ana went nude tomorrow. But if the story update would have been updated on event based with proper nudity, it could be shown that way. And about David's cheating, it doesn't need to be established for Ana to find out evidence whether David really cheated or not...She believed that he cheated that's enough...on faithful route it should be David's responsibility to prove himself not guilty.. it's not Ana's responsibility to go and find out girl and get the Medical proof whether David cheated or not and then decide to cheat on him...David will remain guilty for cheating in eyes of Ana until he prove himself as a not guilty. Ana is convinced that David cheated on her from various sources (Kendra and Chris) on corruption route only because he hide info from Ana too, that's enough for her to cheat if she want to.
Awam is different because sophia is in the new environment/new city where she meet everyone for the first time...This one is story continuation of already established relationships of MC..Ana is not meeting Chris hank jake Marvin etc. for the first time ...she already know them. It's just story started from the middle of their ongoing life with well established relationships. They don't have to build up relationship with someone new in their life. For us it's new but from MC perspective, they already know everyone since long time.
 
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Again ..I will never understand how much background story someone need until ana remove her clothes??? CH1 is all about introduction of their background, friends, office people and family...i think it was enough...That's why I said it will stay as daily soap opera mode if update will go on daily basis and people will judge Ana's corruption on the basis of days after breakup. The story progress and update should be on event basis. Like , if on day 3 something happens that affects Ana's corruption decision ..that part should be covered in the update rather what happens after break up , how did they spend weekend, then what happens on Monday and Tuesday and so one ...day by day basis. Else people will judge on the basis on how soon it's for ana to cheat...somebody asked on thread above saying nobody is claiming that introduction of sex is so soon...I told them there are people who wants to know whole astronomy of Ana and her Astrological sign before watching her nude lol...it's on individual basis how much background info they want to know but that's one point.
There were many occasions where Ana could be shown nude...sex with David, while masturbating, touching and groping from Chris and Marvin could have been made a little more intimate where they touch inside boobs/ her panty too..like Robinson touched boobs from outside and her uncle groped her ass from outside in the flashback scenes from the past....same pattern should not have been repeated with Chris and Marvin on CH2 ...he could have shown groping and touching from inside with little nudity. Like when changing in locker room where Marvin groped her, he could have shown upper body nudity there while Marvin grope

Now coming to Ana's naughtiness point you said it's not enough...I will say it's the developer fault because he should have added tease and nudity while developing CH2 itself but he went against nudity and story lovers ( no offence) loved it because the update has been shown as daily soap opera basis rather than on event basis. Someone cannot show ana is shy today and ana went nude tomorrow. But if the story update would have been updated on event based with proper nudity, it could be shown that way. And about David's cheating, it doesn't need to be established for Ana to find out evidence whether David really cheated or not...She believed that he cheated that's enough...on faithful route it should be David's responsibility to prove himself not guilty.. it's not Ana's responsibility to go and find out girl and get the Medical proof whether David cheated or not and then decide to cheat on him...David will remain guilty for cheating in eyes of Ana until he prove himself as a not guilty. Ana is convinced that David cheated on her from various sources (Kendra and Chris) on corruption route only because he hide info from Ana too, that's enough for her to cheat if she want to.
Awam is different because sophia is in the new environment/new city where she meet everyone for the first time...This one is story continuation of already established relationships of MC..Ana is not meeting Chris hank jake Marvin etc. for the first time ...she already know them. It's just story started from the middle of their ongoing life with well established relationships. They don't have to build up relationship with someone new in their life. For us it's new but from MC perspective, they already know everyone since long time.
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Sorry... I just love reading books and love lots and lots of detail

"Awam is different because sophia is in the new environment/new city where she meet everyone for the first time...This one is story continuation of already established relationships of MC..Ana is not meeting Chris hank jake Marvin etc. for the first time ...she already know them. It's just story started from the middle of their ongoing life with well established relationships. They don't have to build up relationship with someone new in their life. For us it's new but from MC perspective, they already know everyone since long time."

AWAM is just a totally different animal... I think written by someone who hasn't ever had sex---LOL! I am sorry but how sexual moments are depicted in that game and events end... YAH! It's still a good game--but could be much, MUCH better if the developer wasn't so stuck on the slow burn. But in that game the timing is right to have Sophia get railed... she should have been railed 3-4times by now based on the situations she found herself in. But unlike this game, AWAM is much further along in its story. And honestly I don't think Mr. Palmer has dropped the other shoe yet... somethings up {I hope} that might just surprise us all. So after this update comes out-- we'll see
 
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Sorry... I just love reading books and love lots and lots of detail

"Awam is different because sophia is in the new environment/new city where she meet everyone for the first time...This one is story continuation of already established relationships of MC..Ana is not meeting Chris hank jake Marvin etc. for the first time ...she already know them. It's just story started from the middle of their ongoing life with well established relationships. They don't have to build up relationship with someone new in their life. For us it's new but from MC perspective, they already know everyone since long time."

AWAM is just a totally different animal... I think written by someone who hasn't ever had sex---LOL! I am sorry but how sexual moments are depicted in that game and events end... YAH! It's still a good game--but could be much, MUCH better if the developer wasn't so stuck on the slow burn. But in that game the timing is right to have Sophia get railed... she should have been railed 3-4times by now based on the situations she found herself in. But unlike this game, AWAM is much further along in its story. And honestly I don't think Mr. Palmer has dropped the other shoe yet... somethings up {I hope} that might just surprise us all. So after this update comes out-- we'll see
The problem with AWAM is so many characters in the story...he did showed sophia sex nude with her husband..he did showed sophia nudity in shower in front of janitor , removing panties on date with co worker on part 1 itself...but there are so many characters that progressing story with each and every characters is complex. Plus it's his retirement plan so he added all genre lesbian incest child old man nursing housemaid gangs etc lol didn't left any genre at all...that VN can keep updating for 2 generations ..Just saying if he would have stuck with few characters, it would have been faster than this one. Here Ana didn't even removed her bra yet for her husband lol
 
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FFS every single game I was anticipated has been delayed this week

Babysitters, culture shock, heart problems and perfect marriage.

Fk.
It seems all the devs brought a joint holiday package and went to the Carribean for summer holidays.

Fk.

Honestly expected at least of these to release by may end
 

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so we wont see sex scenes from part 3 which dev promised at the initial release? thats what u guys saying? why so much hate recently?
 

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And about David's cheating, it doesn't need to be established for Ana to find out evidence whether David really cheated or not...She believed that he cheated that's enough...on faithful route it should be David's responsibility to prove himself not guilty.. it's not Ana's responsibility to go and find out girl and get the Medical proof whether David cheated or not and then decide to cheat on him...David will remain guilty for cheating in eyes of Ana until he prove himself as a not guilty. Ana is convinced that David cheated on her from various sources (Kendra and Chris) on corruption route only because he hide info from Ana too, that's enough for her to cheat if she want to.
Awam is different because sophia is in the new environment/new city where she meet everyone for the first time...This one is story continuation of already established relationships of MC..Ana is not meeting Chris hank jake Marvin etc. for the first time ...she already know them. It's just story started from the middle of their ongoing life with well established relationships. They don't have to build up relationship with someone new in their life. For us it's new but from MC perspective, they already know everyone since long time.
That's why I'm playing on a faithful path because of the plot and Anne and David's discovery of Intrigue, and that's very interesting. And in the path of Corruption, the creator could have taken the easy way, like most games of this type on this site. David cheated on her or Anna was blackmailed and she broke down and became a whore who fucks everything that moves in all directions. Those who complain so much would be happy, I'm not talking about you, my friend. So the creator didn't do it. Otherwise it would be very boring and predictable.
 

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Mr. Palmer's words: "sex in the game will appear no earlier than the second update and no later than the seventh" in CH3.
If you take the average value, it’s somewhere around 4 or 5, maximum in 6 update, but it will take at least two years, if not more!
Or has something changed?
Which update is this? And aren't we on part 3? It's abit confusing how the update goes
 
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A terrible trend in slow-burn corruption games has emerged over the last couple of years. I think anyone who spends time with these types of games is, by default, ok with the concept of delayed gratification. I don't think there are many players who would spend the time playing APM and expect instant gratification with easy cheap sex scenes from the very beginning.

But the trend that has emerged isn't delayed gratification, it's indefinitely delayed gratification. Slow-burn games are getting a reputation for never advancing beyond Act 2. We're almost two years into APM and people are still saying that it's too early for sex, and that's a problem. Twenty-four months should be plenty of time to create some sexy content. Maybe not all of the sexy content planned, but certainly some of it. If you can't produce more than some light teasing over 24 months then there's a problem with how the story is structured. This shouldn't be controversial.

There's two big details working against APM:

1) There's been a number of high profile slow-burn games that have been very successful but never delivered the promised content. In my opinion this has lowered the tolerance from players for new games; red flags aren't ignored so easily. Even if a dev is operating in good faith, people have been burned by too many bad faith actors and they've become jaded.

2) The best estimate for sex in APM suggests that we're still years away. It would be bad enough to wait 2 years if we knew we were having sex later this year. But we aren't; in fact it's still multiple years away. That stretches the idea of a "slow-burn" beyond any reasonable definition.

I don't like accusing a dev of nefarious behavior. For all I know Palmer is a nice person who is doing their best, so I don't think it's helpful to make personal accusations. But, that said, there are serious red flags with this game. It isn't just that the update slipped to June, or that he took some time off to see family, it's the overall sense that the game is going nowhere fast. If I've learned anything from my four years on this site it's that rigid adherence to a preformulated plan can be the death knell for a game.
A terrible trend in slow-burn corruption games has emerged over the last couple of years. I think anyone who spends time with these types of games is, by default, ok with the concept of delayed gratification. I don't think there are many players who would spend the time playing APM and expect instant gratification with easy cheap sex scenes from the very beginning.

But the trend that has emerged isn't delayed gratification, it's indefinitely delayed gratification. Slow-burn games are getting a reputation for never advancing beyond Act 2. We're almost two years into APM and people are still saying that it's too early for sex, and that's a problem. Twenty-four months should be plenty of time to create some sexy content. Maybe not all of the sexy content planned, but certainly some of it. If you can't produce more than some light teasing over 24 months then there's a problem with how the story is structured. This shouldn't be controversial.

There's two big details working against APM:

1) There's been a number of high profile slow-burn games that have been very successful but never delivered the promised content. In my opinion this has lowered the tolerance from players for new games; red flags aren't ignored so easily. Even if a dev is operating in good faith, people have been burned by too many bad faith actors and they've become jaded.

2) The best estimate for sex in APM suggests that we're still years away. It would be bad enough to wait 2 years if we knew we were having sex later this year. But we aren't; in fact it's still multiple years away. That stretches the idea of a "slow-burn" beyond any reasonable definition.

I don't like accusing a dev of nefarious behavior. For all I know Palmer is a nice person who is doing their best, so I don't think it's helpful to make personal accusations. But, that said, there are serious red flags with this game. It isn't just that the update slipped to June, or that he took some time off to see family, it's the overall sense that the game is going nowhere fast. If I've learned anything from my four years on this site it's that rigid adherence to a preformulated plan can be the death knell for a game.
But the game has self sex. :sneaky:
KendraPool6.png SelfB4-.png
 
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the problem isn't the slow burn as much as it is update times, like i posted earlier if a dev could do an in game day in 1 month we'd have their planned game week in 7 months. as far as the game is written, and the events happening it all makes sense and is really good, and it feels like it's not burning at a steady rate either, but rather that it's amping up/building up toward a climax (which is a bit different from AWAM)... which often plateau's or builds slightly then declines - in part because like someone said AWAM has too many characters.

good game, increase the development speed and the burn is less problematic. i also believe unlike AWAM sex scenes will happen in this game... or minimally they will happen sooner than AWAM, even though the update times are still horrendous.
 

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the problem isn't the slow burn as much as it is update times, like i posted earlier if a dev could do an in game day in 1 month we'd have their planned game week in 7 months. as far as the game is written, and the events happening it all makes sense and is really good, and it feels like it's not burning at a steady rate either, but rather that it's amping up/building up toward a climax (which is a bit different from AWAM)... which often plateau's or builds slightly then declines - in part because like someone said AWAM has too many characters.

good game, increase the development speed and the burn is less problematic. i also believe unlike AWAM sex scenes will happen in this game... or minimally they will happen sooner than AWAM, even though the update times are still horrendous.
Current technologies do not allow you to produce games too quickly, unless of course you own a top-end pc with two top-end v cards, and it’s even better to have one pc for creating scenes and another for rendering, but the fact is that a good pc costs as much as a car - not everyone can afford it!
 

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Even if for the first 6 months you are physically willing and able to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, the pace is not sustainable. It is wise to start with 40 hours a week.
So, to sum it up, 1 pc, 1 person and 40 hours a week.
Team of 2+ people only after the first game, or if the game grows well.
 

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Even if for the first 6 months you are physically willing and able to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, the pace is not sustainable. It is wise to start with 40 hours a week.
So, to sum it up, 1 pc, 1 person and 40 hours a week.
Team of 2+ people only after the first game, or if the game grows well.
The thing is Mr palmer is not an artist... someone else does the rendering and he just program it....so I guess if he hired an artist for renders, that is an expert then obviously they have high end devices. I mean why would someone will outsource rendering who has low end devices that will delay his own project? And in between if he knows a little bit, he can speed up the process too...thesw line of events idk why it remind me of early awam thread days lol..
 
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That's why I'm playing on a faithful path because of the plot and Anne and David's discovery of Intrigue, and that's very interesting. And in the path of Corruption, the creator could have taken the easy way, like most games of this type on this site. David cheated on her or Anna was blackmailed and she broke down and became a whore who fucks everything that moves in all directions. Those who complain so much would be happy, I'm not talking about you, my friend. So the creator didn't do it. Otherwise it would be very boring and predictable.
Yea but that's only 1 reason for Ana to cheat...David not able to satisfy her sexual needs, not able to support her financially, she's surrounded by pervert, david might face lawsuit from hank if ana doesn't submit and many other force her to sex beside only David cheating factor.. and Ana becoming a whore is the objective of corruption route...whether it happens sooner or later it's on him...but she will become a whore. One should not complain that why Ana became whore if they're playing corrupt route. Play faithful for not turning to whore lol.
 
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The thing is Mr palmer is not an artist... someone else does the rendering and he just program it....so I guess if he hired an artist for renders, that is an expert then obviously they have high end devices. I mean why would someone will outsource rendering who has low end devices that will delay his own project? And in between if he knows a little bit, he can speed up the process too...thesw line of events idk why it remind me of early awam thread days lol..
And this is a very important remark that almost no one pays attention to!

After all, if you have a ready-made script, the most difficult thing is to compose the scenes and render them!
Then is the problem with the artist or does writing a script take a lot of time?
 
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david might face lawsuit from hank
Penguin's law firm is not handling David's case, so I see no reason for him to sue David. However, Pigwin knows a friend of his who is dealing with the case of an investor whose company sued David's company for failure to make timely payments. Pigwin told his friend not to send the lawsuit to David's company for now. Because he will offer Anna false help in her husband's company. And then Anna will come to Henek and be grateful to him. Pigwin will tell her that I helped your husband, you must be grateful to me and listen to everything I ask you, of course, first there will be small business favors, and then, when Anna's vigilance is disarmed, there will be sexual favors, first small, then bigger.
 
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And this is a very important remark that almost no one pays attention to!

After all, if you have a ready-made script, the most difficult thing is to compose the scenes and render them!
Then is the problem with the artist or does writing a script take a lot of time?
I mean are you asking why the update is getting delayed??? He said he's changing the script for better story telling way...earlier he use to show us like first complete update from David POV then same thing with complete Ana's POV right.....I think right now he's trying to change it in corrupted hearts way..like half from David then Ana POV then again David then again Ana POV ...for better way.. that's what he said...rest everything is done. If he want to show like previous update then it is ready..but he is changing the way of story telling by including Ana's POV in between David's POV
 
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