VN Ren'Py A Perfect Marriage [v0.7.4c] [Mr Palmer]

[DarthSpitz717]

This is how burnout happens. Four routes in a single scene isn't being "meticulous", it's a disastrous use of resources.

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Well this maybe a unique special situation if it's critical to game's plot lines. Most games, including this one, tend to be lineal in flow of the direction of the plots. Up to this point a player basically had three options, taking the faithful path, accept all actions, or rejecting others. Don't like Marvin then basically reject him and whatever event was behind the choice doesn't happen.

Now where it would be potentially disastrous is if Mr. Palmer does down L&P's (AWAM) rabbit hole. Meaning each and EVERY event opens several more paths and routs and 8 years later the game has move as much as a snail on winning 100-yard dash.

Let's assume Mr. Palmer forks the story/plot 4 directions but are interconnected in some way that would work. Then future updates can pivot back and fourth. But the disaster would be having to script four distinct separate paths each update which could lead to even more (AWAM problem).

There really is no way for me to know, but I suspect these four outcomes are David/Anna related. Just a gut feeling. Mr. Palmer wouldn't need 4 different outcomes with any of the antagonist because he could just stick to the current formula of accept or reject. But if (x) happens, then how it unfolds may have a, b, c, or d outcomes with David and Anna's relationship. Just thinking option (a) maybe the marriage has hope while option (d) might have Anna having one foot out the door when it comes to the marriage.

The only other possibilities I see are Anna only outcomes that evolves her character

 

[catgameryt011]

he stop use his excuse
now he use artist excuse now every time want delay
and make you fake happy news this 3rd time say artist work with big scene every post say same ...
he said artist done his art before 2 month then he make this all drama his life and now artist
what he do for month when mr palmer trip with family did he need babysitter to do his work
he wait week to post this
so you wait next week to see next excuse struggle with some issues programing but not worry am working on it


when you post news from developer try post screen shot
you post look fake if post like text
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Why doesn't it say better, that the update will be released at the end of June, or is my 3 dollars not enough?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

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Well this maybe a unique special situation if it's critical to game's plot lines. Most games, including this one, tend to be lineal in flow of the direction of the plots. Up to this point a player basically had three options, taking the faithful path, accept all actions, or rejecting others. Don't like Marvin then basically reject him and whatever event was behind the choice doesn't happen.

Now where it would be potentially disastrous is if Mr. Palmer does down L&P's (AWAM) rabbit hole. Meaning each and EVERY event opens several more paths and routs and 8 years later the game has move as much as a snail on winning 100-yard dash.

Let's assume Mr. Palmer forks the story/plot 4 directions but are interconnected in some way that would work. Then future updates can pivot back and fourth. But the disaster would be having to script four distinct separate paths each update which could lead to even more (AWAM problem).

There really is no way for me to know, but I suspect these four outcomes are David/Anna related. Just a gut feeling. Mr. Palmer wouldn't need 4 different outcomes with any of the antagonist because he could just stick to the current formula of accept or reject. But if (x) happens, then how it unfolds may have a, b, c, or d outcomes with David and Anna's relationship. Just thinking option (a) maybe the marriage has hope while option (d) might have Anna having one foot out the door when it comes to the marriage.

The only other possibilities I see are Anna only outcomes that evolves her character

I was having this exact conversation with someone on discord. I agree, if this is a critical event then I can wrap my brain around it. But he can’t start doing this regularly. And if it is such an important event then he would make his life easier by communicating that to his patrons.

 

[catgameryt011]

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Well this maybe a unique special situation if it's critical to game's plot lines. Most games, including this one, tend to be lineal in flow of the direction of the plots. Up to this point a player basically had three options, taking the faithful path, accept all actions, or rejecting others. Don't like Marvin then basically reject him and whatever event was behind the choice doesn't happen.

Now where it would be potentially disastrous is if Mr. Palmer does down L&P's (AWAM) rabbit hole. Meaning each and EVERY event opens several more paths and routs and 8 years later the game has move as much as a snail on winning 100-yard dash.

Let's assume Mr. Palmer forks the story/plot 4 directions but are interconnected in some way that would work. Then future updates can pivot back and fourth. But the disaster would be having to script four distinct separate paths each update which could lead to even more (AWAM problem).

There really is no way for me to know, but I suspect these four outcomes are David/Anna related. Just a gut feeling. Mr. Palmer wouldn't need 4 different outcomes with any of the antagonist because he could just stick to the current formula of accept or reject. But if (x) happens, then how it unfolds may have a, b, c, or d outcomes with David and Anna's relationship. Just thinking option (a) maybe the marriage has hope while option (d) might have Anna having one foot out the door when it comes to the marriage.

The only other possibilities I see are Anna only outcomes that evolves her character

now it would be if you reject one of the antagonists, and according to mr. palmer's own words, he will continue to insist, surrender or continue, appearing in the story but with nothing in relevance, but this with those who are not involved with the scene of David's alleged infidelity, that is, those who had the certainty of seeing the misunderstanding.

 

[ItsNotUs]

Mr. Palmer
Artist is already working on next update. He’s not the holdup. I’m still working through a big scene. There are four different scenarios so I’m having to write it four ways. But this is why you love the story… I’m being very meticulous, trying to make it thorough and real. There’s less of Anna’s thoughts this update since we know her so well, but there’s still a lot of dialogue. The update isn’t ready yet.

His excuses are no longer funny and this is just a slap in the face!
I haven't been waiting for this project for a long time, but you can't even joke about such dev post!
R.I.P. APM

 

[AlfredBundy4]

This is how burnout happens. Four routes in a single scene isn't being "meticulous", it's a disastrous use of resources.

With all VNs you gotta keep it as simplified as possible to avoid burnout and a waste of time, IMO. This isn't to say there can be no choice at all but it's best to give the reader the illusion of choice for long-term paths. Have a yes/no decision and anything else be a choice that is just part of the yes/no you were doing.

In one particular scene? Sure. Have multiple choices that stay in that one scene (what to touch, say, etc) but only allow those choices to stay in that scene or count as "points" for further scenes later in the story.

I'm not sure what the dev is doing so I'll hold off on freaking out but each character having multiple paths is a sure way to never finish a story.
Devs just need to understand that if they have a small team the story they see in their head likely isn't the best story to tell. You'll just never get it done. Adding too many paths and too many characters is like THE biggest mistake a new dev makes in their early works.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

I was having this exact conversation with someone on discord. I agree, if this is a critical event then I can wrap my brain around it. But he can’t start doing this regularly. And if it is such an important event then he would make his life easier by communicating that to his patrons.

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Not wanting to challenge or correct you at each and every turn, but....

Mr. Palmer likes to fly in stealth mode and never really tips his hand to what is happening. I suppose all this secrecy works because I was so off footed and wrong based on what information I (we) had at the time... going back to the whole Timothy/Dale thing. I saw it as a tame scene with nothing to really consider just from the teasers... then came the update.

With all these surprises Mr. Palmer comes up with works until they don't or takes the story sideways. My guess of the 4-path possibility of it being an Anna/David event could be so wrong or so irrelevant as a squirrel fart in a hurricane. Suppose it's called "spit balling", but I'd love to know just who has had a better track record of guessing Mr. Palmers moves so I can just shut up and listen

 

[MZy321]

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Not wanting to challenge or correct you at each and every turn, but....

Mr. Palmer likes to fly in stealth mode and never really tips his hand to what is happening. I suppose all this secrecy works because I was so off footed and wrong based on what information I (we) had at the time... going back to the whole Timothy/Dale thing. I saw it as a tame scene with nothing to really consider just from the teasers... then came the update.

With all these surprises Mr. Palmer comes up with works until they don't or takes the story sideways. My guess of the 4-path possibility of it being an Anna/David event could be so wrong or so irrelevant as a squirrel fart in a hurricane. Suppose it's called "spit balling", but I'd love to know just who has had a better track record of guessing Mr. Palmers moves so I can just shut up and listen

I think this unpredictability is Mr. Palmer’s best trait. For example, in the last update, almost no one expected Chris and Ana’s dynamic to develop the way it did. Same goes for Jake’s storyline. Of course, some surprises are good and others not so much, but I still prefer to be surprised. My only requirement is that the story continues to be believable, as it has been so far. In his last post, he said he would keep the story grounded in reality, and I really hope that remains true—after all, I truly enjoy how this narrative and its characters are being developed

 

[fapzoner69018]

Damn why hasn't he at least clarified what's exactly left to do .. besides the big scene that he mentioned.. And even if the game intertwined with multiple paths it's just fuckin writing and if he already is used to it by now and knows how to do it well then he should lock in for one evening and finishes everything off and moves on to programming... My guess it's gonna be the end of April if not later.. hope the other scenes aren't very short with hank and tim/dale in the office..

 

[sslovoe]

Damn why hasn't he at least clarified what's exactly left to do .. besides the big scene that he mentioned.. And even if the game intertwined with multiple paths it's just fuckin writing and if he already is used to it by now and knows how to do it well then he should lock in for one evening and finishes everything off and moves on to programming... My guess it's gonna be the end of April if not later.. hope the other scenes aren't very short with hank and tim/dale in the office..

cause everything is fake he finish work long time ago
he just keep time move and make fake news art done ... art 10%...art 2%
just fake post to get end month

 

[fapzoner69018]

cause everything is fake he finish work long time ago
he just keep time move and make fake news art done ... art 10%...art 2%
just fake post to get end month
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He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to do so damn.. Hope the update is decent at least

 

[xert13]

He doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to do so damn.. Hope the update is decent at least

He isn’t. He communicates on his Patreon page and voluntarily stopped receiving payment for a cycle because he couldn’t spend time on it. He explained why. He stopped posting on here or giving update estimates because of all the shit he took from people waiting to pirate the game on this site. Cue all the “he’s a milker-stop defending him- you’re the problem” responses.

 

[Sharpx23]

he stop use his excuse
now he use artist excuse now every time want delay
and make you fake happy news this 3rd time say artist work with big scene every post say same ...
he said artist done his art before 2 month then he make this all drama his life and now artist
what he do for month when mr palmer trip with family did he need babysitter to do his work
he wait week to post this
so you wait next week to see next excuse struggle with some issues programing but not worry am working on it


when you post news from developer try post screen shot
you post look fake if post like text
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Ahh, yes I see what you mean about posting the screenshot of the news. But it's weird my screenshot shows he wrote something different.

 

[Couto25]

Ahh, yes I see what you mean about posting the screenshot of the news. But it's weird my screenshot shows he wrote something different.

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What kind of ending are these lol...none of them seems realistic beside 3rd option. He keep saying slow slow slow every now and then. Pff..idk if a short update is 6 months long, then the whole game will take 60 years.

And he talk about being meticulous and perfectionist all the time...These words comes when he actually work on the project. Just talking about being a perfectionist without working on project for months doesn't mean anything. Most of the time period, he posts reasons to delay the update....and when the time of launch comes nearby after all the delay , he talk about being perfectionist to take more time. If he wants to be perfectionist, I expect after months of delay for whatsoever reasons , atleast his renders should have been completed.. so that whenever he gets the time, he could do all perfect writing, editing dialogues 20 times, updating character page 3 times before launch etc. But nope.

 

[secretcador]

He isn’t. He communicates on his Patreon page and voluntarily stopped receiving payment for a cycle because he couldn’t spend time on it. He explained why. He stopped posting on here or giving update estimates because of all the shit he took from people waiting to pirate the game on this site. Cue all the “he’s a milker-stop defending him- you’re the problem” responses.

Behind the thriving of devs with awful work ethics and scammy intentions are users like you.

This is a small update, Small, which development start from November last year, March is only 1 out of the total 5 months. Not taking subscription for a cycle is the same with taking a one step back while taking 4 steps forward.

 

[Couto25]

Behind the thriving of devs with awful work ethics and scammy intentions are users like you.

This is a small update, Small, which development start from November last year, March is only 1 out of the total 5 months. Not taking subscription for a cycle is the same with taking a one step back while taking 4 steps forward.

See mr defender...I don't give a shit of how you want to lick MP ass ...I am not saying he's scamming or anything...The point I was making is he was taking alot of time...so before defending blindly, read first. I don't give a shit if he takes money or not...I just hope after all the reasons MP gave, fuckers like you should take a notice of time he took to release and still making excuses for more delays. And the quality of writing also become poor with time....if you don't see that then keep licking his ass. My review is independent...if he gave a good update, I cheer him...but if his writing and excuses are more , I will criticize him. I am not in a ass licking gang like you. I support him if delay is genuine like renders has increased, tornado hit, family holiday etc....but wtf is trump become president so I have to work at office...does that mean until now he was not working at job at all?? I thought he was taking all these 4.5 months time because he have a main job. What trump becoming a president has to do with it? And now trump will be there for next 4 years so he will blame trump for next 4 years for delay. Or MP is Trump PA?

 

[Kerobin]

See mr defender...I don't give a shit of how you want to lick MP ass ...I am not saying he's scamming or anything...The point I was making is he was taking alot of time...so before defending blindly, read first. I don't give a shit if he takes money or not...I just hope after all the reasons MP gave, fuckers like you should take a notice of time he took to release and still making excuses for more delays. And the quality of writing also become poor with time....if you don't see that then keep licking his ass. My review is independent...if he gave a good update, I cheer him...but if his writing and excuses are more , I will criticize him. I am not in a ass licking gang like you. I support him if delay is genuine like renders has increased, tornado hit, family holiday etc....but wtf is trump become president so I have to work at office...does that mean until now he was not working at job at all?? I thought he was taking all these 4.5 months time because he have a main job. What trump becoming a president has to do with it? And now trump will be there for next 4 years so he will blame trump for next 4 years for delay. Or MP is Trump PA?

Okay, we get it. I think it's time to calm down a bit. There's no reason to get insulting.

 

[Pypypy]

Fvk APM. Boundaries of Morality is the future. (with the shower scene we never got)AND better animation.

 

[fapzoner69018]

It's all ur fault mp now we're arguing cuz we wanna see anna so bad

 

[MZy321]

See mr defender...I don't give a shit of how you want to lick MP ass ...I am not saying he's scamming or anything...The point I was making is he was taking alot of time...so before defending blindly, read first. I don't give a shit if he takes money or not...I just hope after all the reasons MP gave, fuckers like you should take a notice of time he took to release and still making excuses for more delays. And the quality of writing also become poor with time....if you don't see that then keep licking his ass. My review is independent...if he gave a good update, I cheer him...but if his writing and excuses are more , I will criticize him. I am not in a ass licking gang like you. I support him if delay is genuine like renders has increased, tornado hit, family holiday etc....but wtf is trump become president so I have to work at office...does that mean until now he was not working at job at all?? I thought he was taking all these 4.5 months time because he have a main job. What trump becoming a president has to do with it? And now trump will be there for next 4 years so he will blame trump for next 4 years for delay. Or MP is Trump PA?

Man, no need to insult the person above—let’s keep things respectful here.