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Pr0GamerJohnny

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A lot of unkind things have been said about David - and most of them are valid - but simp and cuck are not a diagnosis; the root of his problems are more complex, and merit a deeper discussion. My partner and I are still not seeing eye to eye about David. We both agree that Anna is a covert narcissist. We've agreed on that since we first heard her thoughts. David is a little harder to pin down. He firmly believes that David is codependent. I, on the other hand, am not yet convinced. The hallmark of a codependent person is that they have no capacity for happiness of their own. Their ability to be happy has been stunted, and they base their entire sense of self-worth on how their partner feels about them, treats them, and regards them. This is the rub. Recently, we have discussed Chris. A codependent person would have cut him out of his life the second Anna first expressed scorn for him. Narcissists are very effective in isolating their codependent partners from their friends in this fashion. David, however, stood up for his friend. That this was a bad decision in the long run is a moot point that we need not debate. The important factor is what it says about his character. There are many choices David is given in the narrative, where you can choose to cave or stand up for yourself. However, the game doesn't always let you choose. David has people-pleasing traits, and this is something that my partner agrees with, but my position is that you, as the player, get to decide whether that trait bends toward being maladaptive. Our discussion is ongoing, and will probably come to a head whenever we see how he reacts to proof of what Anna has been up to (which it seems that Kendra will only be too happy to provide). We are both curious to see if that reaction will be one of the choices we are allowed to make.
Respectfully, I think you're overanalyzing it. David is simply the male prop in a fem protag/ntr game, and all his behavior is in accordance with this rigid archetype. He's trusting to a fault, and unsuccesful in any plights outside his relationship, he has all the bad luck while the antagonists have all the good luck. It's not really rocket science, his outcome is predetermined with a stroke of the pen (or press of the key).

Everything else is in service of this end. Nothing I've seen has bucked this trend/trope. It's not like if you make certain decisions for both of them, Chris ends up with a broken nose, or the boss has a falling out with HR. Those kinds of narratives simply don't exist in this universe. You're ascribing much more human motivations and characters than exist here.
 

AlfredBundy4

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Totally agree. When you read a book, watch a movie, play a game you dont think of yourself as the main character. Most see themselves as a voyeur watching the action and making minimal choices. Why this changes for VN/Adult games is strange.

I've learnt from many people on here that some guys are quite lonely and have never been with a girl. So they are desperate to see themselves as the MC. Desperate to have a girl. So they envision themselves as the character.

There's also a smaller number of those that want to be a white knight for their make believe girlfriend. They play it faithful and their girl is never cheating in these hot wife games. So they can win the day and be the best Boyfriend / Husband. Its quite sad lol
Definitely learned this real quick after discovering adult VNs. I've told a bit of my personal life on here and I found all this after a breakup that was my fault. I've never been a playboy or womanizer but I'd say I'd led a normal life up to that point. I'm still fairly young but have slid a bit into loserdom (lol) after the breakup, hence being here. We're all a bit guilty of that but I quickly realized just how bad a lot of users and devs are on here...and it shows in their writing/reactions to storytelling.
Tons of dudes with zero experience are on here. I don't even mean it in the insulting since but factually. Loads of involuntary celibate guys here and it shows in their posts and writing. Lots of guys that live vicariously through these VNs.

Anyway, a big reason this VN grabbed me early was that it had less of that obvious inexperience early on. Not perfect but not the weird nonsense most VNs have due to life inexperience or inexperience with storytelling and/or DAZ.
My concern after this last A&B update is a slide into the trope-filled slop.
 

AlfredBundy4

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Respectfully, I think you're overanalyzing it. David is simply the male prop in a fem protag/ntr game, and all his behavior is in accordance with this rigid archetype. He's trusting to a fault, and unsuccesful in any plights outside his relationship, he has all the bad luck while the antagonists have all the good luck. It's not really rocket science, his outcome is predetermined with a stroke of the pen (or press of the key).

Everything else is in service of this end. Nothing I've seen has bucked this trend/trope. It's not like if you make certain decisions for both of them, Chris ends up with a broken nose, or the boss has a falling out with HR. Those kinds of narratives simply don't exist in this universe. You're ascribing much more human motivations and characters than exist here.
They're both definitely filling porn VN archetypes at this point and maybe since the beginning. I will say that it did do quite a bit more early on in defining the characters and adding a bit more depth to them - maybe even enough to give analysis like the other poster is giving - but not quite enough.

Ideally, the level of depth for me would be a level of detail and depth to allow us to understand them somewhere between the other poster's level of analysis and your understanding that they are just archetypes.

But as is David is the husband that gets blatantly and obviously cheated on with very little idea it's happening. I'll again give some credit that there is a bit more depth and cause for that given than most VNs. It's why I still hold out some hope for this one.
 

daddy6923

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Chip and dale are really entertaining characters. I even enjoyed the scene in this update, but the fact that they got to touch and suck anna’s tits before hank, is hard to digest. Hank is still hanged on to anna’s ass while chip, dale, chris and marvin has got some real fun with anna
 

Mandaryn88

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I hear you.

One thing missing from all this... ...since Anna clearly knows what she wants (and has wanted for quite some time)... ...why did she not explain this to her husband yet explained it to people outside her marriage? I understand that during the current crisis she won't tell David but she could have before the crisis happened.

If you're in a meaningful relationship and you have needs why wouldn't you tell your partner? Why keep the thoughts to yourself then judge your partner harshly when he fails to read your mind? Why share your needs with "outsiders" while keeping your partner in the dark?
In my opinion, this can be explained. If you've been with someone for several years, perhaps a dozen years, you know perfectly well what their views and opinions are, and what they'll never forgive. If you analyze it, you'll conclude it's better to remain silent and keep it to yourself for the sake of maintaining the relationship and protecting the children. In life, you always have to choose and calculate what's more beneficial.
 
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AI animations is ruining game experience, anybody else feel the same?
No. AI animations (since they seem to be improving monthly) are adding to the game experience. What IS ruining the game experience is using TOO MANY animations, whether they are legacy or AI. It's annoying as fuck to see an animation every 1-2 minutes in game play. If they're used appropriately then I think they add to the game.
 
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Adhdclassic

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When I first played this game I already didn't like Anna cause she already gave the impression that she lack something. As the game progressed horribly realized it was common sense she was missing. As the game further progressed she added stupid, arrogant, delusional, egotiscal and selfish. She shits on David in every path even though she is either towing the line or crossing it. She expects him to fix it with no effort from her. The dev needs to slow down on the dumb additions. I feel they are going to add more characters soon. From the beginning there were enough characters to push along her corruption. They add the chipmunks I assume to help her corruption on the way. WHY! You have Jake the young playboy with the stickball bat in his pants. Instead of putting him in play you add sex offenders and turn him into a sniveling pussy. AI yea that was too much. Just my grain of salt.
 

Sadowdark

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Respectfully, I think you're overanalyzing it. David is simply the male prop in a fem protag/ntr game, and all his behavior is in accordance with this rigid archetype. He's trusting to a fault, and unsuccesful in any plights outside his relationship, he has all the bad luck while the antagonists have all the good luck. It's not really rocket science, his outcome is predetermined with a stroke of the pen (or press of the key).

Everything else is in service of this end. Nothing I've seen has bucked this trend/trope. It's not like if you make certain decisions for both of them, Chris ends up with a broken nose, or the boss has a falling out with HR. Those kinds of narratives simply don't exist in this universe. You're ascribing much more human motivations and characters than exist here.

logic and typical and classic scheme of pornographic games.:eek::ROFLMAO:
 
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Sadowdark

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I've given that some thought (the Uncertain route) but I'm assuming I would have to select at least one male character for her to hook up with. I don't really like any of the characters enough to do that... ...Anna seems to be warming up or receptive to Jake and Ron so they might be the only ones... ...the others seem to be too childish or slimy.
Not Ron, but Rob
 

NewGuy2022

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In my opinion, this can be explained. If you've been with someone for several years, perhaps a dozen years, you know perfectly well what their views and opinions are, and what they'll never forgive. If you analyze it, you'll conclude it's better to remain silent and keep it to yourself for the sake of maintaining the relationship and protecting the children. In life, you always have to choose and calculate what's more beneficial.

Ok... but if you're (presumably) happily married and you feel your sexual needs are unmet, why wouldn't you speak to your spouse about that vs. talking to people at work about it? And, in Anna's case, she didn't remain silent about it; she just chose to talk to outsiders rather than confiding in her husband. Trust me when I tell you that most husbands *wish* their wives would ask for more sex with them...
 

Mandaryn88

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Ok... but if you're (presumably) happily married and you feel your sexual needs are unmet, why wouldn't you speak to your spouse about that vs. talking to people at work about it? And, in Anna's case, she didn't remain silent about it; she just chose to talk to outsiders rather than confiding in her husband. Trust me when I tell you that most husbands *wish* their wives would ask for more sex with them...
More sex? No. I meant something darker that people hide. They have wild fantasies, they seek more pleasure from sex, and the other half is closed off to it, and there's nothing you can do about it.
 

Adhdclassic

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it serves no purpose if you dont corrupt the FMC in a corruption game.
Actually I think the faithful path is the best path due to it is not your classic path. She is still who she is on the other paths but she seems more of a bitch on the faithful path. The corruption is still there the emotional cheating is still there. The fact also is you can later change the faith path into the other paths at certain choice moments. Even if it is the faithful path it is not a faithful path.
 

WhiteSwan1916

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A lot of unkind things have been said about David - and most of them are valid - but simp and cuck are not a diagnosis; the root of his problems are more complex, and merit a deeper discussion. My partner and I are still not seeing eye to eye about David. We both agree that Anna is a covert narcissist. We've agreed on that since we first heard her thoughts. David is a little harder to pin down. He firmly believes that David is codependent. I, on the other hand, am not yet convinced. The hallmark of a codependent person is that they have no capacity for happiness of their own. Their ability to be happy has been stunted, and they base their entire sense of self-worth on how their partner feels about them, treats them, and regards them. This is the rub. Recently, we have discussed Chris. A codependent person would have cut him out of his life the second Anna first expressed scorn for him. Narcissists are very effective in isolating their codependent partners from their friends in this fashion. David, however, stood up for his friend. That this was a bad decision in the long run is a moot point that we need not debate. The important factor is what it says about his character. There are many choices David is given in the narrative, where you can choose to cave or stand up for yourself. However, the game doesn't always let you choose. David has people-pleasing traits, and this is something that my partner agrees with, but my position is that you, as the player, get to decide whether that trait bends toward being maladaptive. Our discussion is ongoing, and will probably come to a head whenever we see how he reacts to proof of what Anna has been up to (which it seems that Kendra will only be too happy to provide). We are both curious to see if that reaction will be one of the choices we are allowed to make.
Interesting read, thank you for sharing your discussion. I agree with David being a people pleaser to a fault and naive with regards to his friends.

I think that David’s problem with Anna is that he thinks she is way above his league because of her beauty and how hard it is for a guy like David to get female attention. The warning his father gave him (Anna being 'too beautiful') resurfaces in the most recent episode. David's blind spot is that he doesn't understand that Anna has reasons to feel lucky, too. While indeed it is trivial for Anna to get male attention, most of that is unwelcome and/or not helpful to find a good quality relationship where she is not just taking advantage of. I suspect this is the reason why David is so accommodating and accepting.

However, even now he sometimes pushes back on Anna (e.g. arguments about work attire, time with his daughter). When he inevitably finds out what happened, I think David's stance will harden.

In the original Literotica story this AVN is based on, Anna ended up being intimate with Jake. She even got pregnant, although it turned out to be David’s child by the end. Anna was able to talk her way out of her affair with Jake but just barely, mostly because she could establish plausibly that from her point of view, she had all reasons to believe that David had cheated on her and that the marriage was broken by David first (good use of a law degree, Anna!).
 
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