AlfredBundy4

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Good update as usual. Some people are strange if it's erotic they will complain where is sex. If dev add some hot scenes they will complain oh this is not realistic. C'mon guys just enjoy and support the dev.

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Largely agree but my 100,000 word reply a bit back covers the "realistic" part. I think everything is great ao far! However, a line with Chris has been crossed (if on that path). It would be totally unrealistic to go back on that in any way at this point.

That's the only concern I have from a realism or believability standpoint (or milking a story standpoint). What she and Chris did is a game changer in their relationship so it cannot go back to "oh, I dunno...maybe...I kinda like it but I can't say so" BS.
If you shower with a man, jerk him off and tell him to cum for you as he fondled your ass and tits...you've made a choice, lol. You don't suddenly decide that you've gone too far or whatever. The die has been cast with them, lol.
 

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After checking the latest update here are my thoughts - it's a rollercoaster of emotions between hype and disappointment. Where some details elevate the game in my eyes (like Anna getting her delicious butt slapped), others throw me off a cliff (like when she doesn't answer phone texts). In positive cases everything is going ok, maybe not great, but ok at the very least. And in negative cases, for example, not answering phone text - I would prefer to not know a text came, instead her seeing notification in the morning that she missed a call/text.

Now a little bit about the "big" scene:
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All in all I still consider this update as a building block. It is better than previous update if you are on the kinkier routes, but if you have managed to not try the game yet I definitely recommend waiting at least next update, cause if it's not complete spit in players face it should have many hot things even without huge sex scenes to truly milk us!

Personally, I hope David can prove he was set up (as in my playthrough he denied all the traps and was always honest with Anna), and Anna and he get back to normal. But... Anna still like to be flirty and have some fun from time to time outside her mundane married life. And David will stay clueless, or if he suspects something he will be supportive and understanding and view it as a form of masturbation (stole this one from The Sopranos, thanks Carmela).
A fellow man of many words, lol. I like it.

So, as far as the big scene goes I have made my feelings known already. I would only add as a direct relay to your take that I see what you mean but also think it could (should) be something else. To
*This is all from the unfaithful or promiscuous route perspective, btw*

First, in actual life that would have 100% led to sex. In no actual situation would that go down as shown and it not lead to at least getting head. No disagreement there at all and I even said as much.
I just also think in the grand scheme it's fine to have kept it at what it was. No believable in an IRL way but close enough to be above-average in a porn story.

The final point I'd share is that I think it could be and SHOULD be a sign that Anna has officially crossed a line with Chris. No more pussyfooting or pretending to not want it. She does and should fully believe David cheated, want a little revenge and realize/admit that she does find him attractive.
This scene, IMO, said that blatantly so going back on that would be insane. It would be a sign of milking at worst and awful writing at best.

Even if she takes David back or believes him or whatever else, her relationship with Chris is forever changed. That can't be undone.

The only lines left are with the other men and I won't speculate where or how those should go as no lines have been crossed with them as of now.
 
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The one thing is, I am not sure why this took four months and not two? If it's a case of the artist slowing things down with renders - then I understand. But if it's a case of writing and programming? There's very little about Ren'py programming that's intensive and this game barely features any of it, just the phone really. If it's writing, writers block can be a bitch but you've got to power through. But it really wasn't long enough to justify four months UNLESS it was entirely a case of the art being time consuming - which given the quality of those renders I could believe.
My only knock. I don't know the dev's exact story but they seemed a bit faster in the past. This last update should take a semi-skilled developer about 2-3 months. 4 is pushing it a bit but I think they had issues or something this past few months.

My take is that life happens so I'm always willing to ignore it if it's once in a blue moon. Constant excuses and needing 6-12 months per update is when I tap-out and ignore the dev's work.
 
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About this new update and why it took longer than expected.

"Hello Gold Patrons,

Here's the latest update. You guys are amazing for being patient and sticking with me. I know it's frustrating waiting, but I'm simply not going to push something out until I'm happy with it. And I'm happy with it now.

Some things I want to point out:

  • I did some work on the scene between David/Anna meeting in living room from last update, to get it up to my liking. I felt I rushed through it on last release.
  • I added a shortcut to skip the Stenstromber flashback scene from the last update.
  • I added a new phone app, retroactively to the beginning of the story. The texts didn't change, so no need to replay it.
  • The stat box went through some changes. I got rid of the "David communication" line because that stat is baked in with other stats, so it's kind of useless.
  • Your past saves from last update should work. I hope that's the case, but if not, please let me know so I can try to fix it.
  • I'm going to work on a walk-thru next, and I'll send it out when ready. I want to add clarity on the paths.
About this update, I want to add that this is an important update, which is why I've spent a lot of time on it. The last update was mostly Anna and David processing the "split." That's not something I wanted to blow past. This update continues that same concept, but it also serves as a transition into the next phase of the story. A shift can be felt.

Finally, I want to warn that for those who reject Chris, this update won't have as much content, but I assure you the other characters will have more time in the coming updates.

Thank you all for the support! I'll probably have a debrief soon, and I might hold a Q&A but we'll see.

I hope you enjoy it!"
 

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Chris, you fucking slimeball asshole of a "friend". But goddamn seeing Anna's ring finger wrapped around his balls was hot . Like others have said I think the kitchen encounter was a much more intimate moment and would've loved to have seen her glorious milkers revealed then. Overall solid update, my only complaint is the amount of inner thoughts seemed to drag on, and fuck Robinson, that guy doesn't have a place in the game and feels super shoehorned in.
 

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Chris, you fucking slimeball asshole of a "friend". But goddamn seeing Anna's ring finger wrapped around his balls was hot . Like others have said I think the kitchen encounter was a much more intimate moment and would've loved to have seen her glorious milkers revealed then. Overall solid update, my only complaint is the amount of inner thoughts seemed to drag on, and fuck Robinson, that guy doesn't have a place in the game and feels super shoehorned in.
yeah, hope there isn't much time wasted on that idea. Robinson can get blocked bruh
 

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About this new update and why it took longer than expected.

"Hello Gold Patrons,

Here's the latest update. You guys are amazing for being patient and sticking with me. I know it's frustrating waiting, but I'm simply not going to push something out until I'm happy with it. And I'm happy with it now.

Some things I want to point out:


  • I did some work on the scene between David/Anna meeting in living room from last update, to get it up to my liking. I felt I rushed through it on last release.
  • I added a shortcut to skip the Stenstromber flashback scene from the last update.
  • I added a new phone app, retroactively to the beginning of the story. The texts didn't change, so no need to replay it.
  • The stat box went through some changes. I got rid of the "David communication" line because that stat is baked in with other stats, so it's kind of useless.
  • Your past saves from last update should work. I hope that's the case, but if not, please let me know so I can try to fix it.
  • I'm going to work on a walk-thru next, and I'll send it out when ready. I want to add clarity on the paths.
About this update, I want to add that this is an important update, which is why I've spent a lot of time on it. The last update was mostly Anna and David processing the "split." That's not something I wanted to blow past. This update continues that same concept, but it also serves as a transition into the next phase of the story. A shift can be felt.

Finally, I want to warn that for those who reject Chris, this update won't have as much content, but I assure you the other characters will have more time in the coming updates.

Thank you all for the support! I'll probably have a debrief soon, and I might hold a Q&A but we'll see.


I hope you enjoy it!"
:unsure: I think you probably posted this here before or someone else did?
 

rawo18

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The shower scene where she crosses all the lines would have been incredible if the husband had returned home and seen and observed from afar... would he get excited? he would get angry ? Would you confront your wife?
Would you propose an open relationship?
 

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Fantastic update, but I don't expect any serious Chris action for a while now. There is a poker night and 3 different away trips mentioned in the update. Chris isn't invited to any of them, plus she needs to get that A/C sorted whether she likes it or not. I love the pacing. No kitchen tits, no shower pussy rub, perfect!

Maybe we get a quick Chris action if/when she replies to the mystery text.
 
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I've got to agree with some other users, the update was short for 5 months of waiting. Either this dev isn't time efficient at all or he likes to idle in between. Given the fact, that someone else is doing the art for him (including time consuming rendering), it makes me wonder even more.

Still it's a turning point and I really hope for the sake of this vn, that updates from now on will include optional escalations between Anna and one of the many pursuers/predators. It was possible to reject Chris in this update, which is fine, while all others could finally get a glimpse of some action after years of absurd teasing.

unpopular opinion.
Anna's breast were underwhelming.
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Anna's all natural very much realistic tits were absolutely gorgeous in my opinion. Great shape, tear drop, lovely areolas and nipples at the anatomically correct spot (lower third of the breast, so many other artists do that wrong or just recreate the ugly silicone/fake tits look). The very erotic slight sagging is also hyper realistic, if you take the cup size into consideration, her age (close to 30) and breastfeeding her child. I really loved her tits in this update.

Mr. Palmer's hired artist did a wonderful job with Anna's breasts. It was about time to finally show these beauties!

Although her hips and waist could have been a little bit wider, after having given birth.

I wasn't happy about her very artificial looking pubes. This very thin landing strip is maintenance heavy, because it needs to be trimmed regularly and the surroundings need to be shaved, causing itchiness sooner or later. (Trimming is quickly done, but a combination of trimming and shaving takes time, especially if you want it to look symmetric)

I had hoped for a trimmed triangle (easy to maintain with a long hair trimmer) or a more natural small "mommy's bush" or something like that, after all she's a career woman, has got a baby to take care of and on top of it marriage problems. But still she looks like a single woman between her legs... So having such care (and therefore time) intensive pubes doesn't make much sense for me in her situation. In fact having a baby alone is such a challenging and time consuming task, that most moms just have to cut corners somewhere.

Its hilarious how Anna keeps trusting anyone other than her partner. The funniest example would be Chris. He has been a creep the whole game, yet she keeps trusting him more than the David. Hell! She even trusts the sexual harassing neighbor more than her husband...
Indeed, the story does have plot holes and ISN'T that much realistic as some people claim. This most recent update once again involuntarily spotlighted it.

It's very much astonishing, not to say unbelievable, how Kendra manages to control all people around her and makes them do exactly what she wants. Not only all the gym employees do exactly what she wants, now also the receptionist woman in the office... even Jake, Marvin and Anna dance after her pipe to some degree. Surely there are highly manipulative individuals in this world, but still Kendra seems to top them all. Even getting away with threatening people at gun point... I don’t consider this to be realistic, sorry.

:unsure: To me it's kind of stupid, it doesn't make sense that Anna quickly forgot what the fake doctor Rob Kobra did to her. He hasn't seen him in so long and immediately kisses him. Weird and far-fetched for me.(n)
True, that bothered me too. Rob and Anna were way too friendly with each other all of a sudden.

Additionally there were some other issues concerning realism:

If Anna is breastfeeding, her nipples would be most likely sore. So Chris squeezing her sore nipples under the shower would have been a rather unpleasant experience for Anna, instead of being turned on. That's once again porn logic at work.

It's also very much unrealistic that their baby sleeps peacefully the whole night, never wakes up and doesn’t rob David & Anna of their sleep as it would be totally normal.
Also Anna doesn't seem to breastfeed her baby in the morning before going to work... She'll be away at work for the next 8+ hours (including travel time). Which mom would not want to at least breastfeed her baby in the morning and hold it in her arms, before she leaves for work?

Or that Anna drinks alcohol despite breastfeeding (not in this update, although Chis tried to convince her to drink during dinner, but during the one with Kendra, Jake and Marvin, where the latter groped her under the table). Drinking and breastfeeding is a no-go. Even if the mom pumps milk before, she'll have to wait like 2 days or so, to be able to give the baby the breast again, because alcohol breaks down slowly. So a mother has got to think ahead a lot, if she wants to drink. But Anna doesn't and is totally thoughtless concerning alcohol: in her inner mologue she just thinks about her next work day as a reason for not drinking, instead of her baby.

In her unfaithful route, she even has got time to give Chris a handjob under the shower, instead of spending precious time with her baby, before she needs to go to work.

So for all the porn brains out there who think, the writing of APM was so realistic, it's not!

Anyway I hope the just teasing and hiding behind the excuse of realism bullshit belongs to the past from now on! There is plenty of porn logic at work already. Some people just don't want to realize it or don't want their illusions about this vn destroyed.
This doesn't mean that Anna should just jump on everybody's cock from now on. Progress, build-up and escalations between characters should still be believable ofc. But each update from now on should have at least one optional erotic scene between characters.
 
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