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ZUBiDAM

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Yeah hangover hates the MC and Azienda wants romance for villain & FMC and dimajio is obsessed with cock cage. After the midway most recent NTR VN's goes into same directory and endings always sucks and almost same.

I think it's guessable with how long the epilogue is. For APBLU the Oblivious Cheating route stretch so long and for TTP the fuckedup Romance Route between Zack & Sophie. For both these endings it goes on and on till they have a happy ending with the Villain whereas other endings have few lines or few pictures and THE END.
is that also THE END of your crying?
 

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Yeah hangover hates the MC and Azienda wants romance for villain & FMC and dimajio is obsessed with cock cage. After the midway most recent NTR VN's goes into same directory and endings always sucks and almost same.

I think it's guessable with how long the epilogue is. For APBLU the Oblivious Cheating route stretch so long and for TTP the fuckedup Romance Route between Zack & Sophie. For both these endings it goes on and on till they have a happy ending with the Villain whereas other endings have few lines or few pictures and THE END.
I actually come with the same conclusion after finishing Aya edition, early parts and corruption is good, but endings a way too crazy and turn off for me. Totaly can se where "hangover hates the MC" comes from, cant agree more
 

Chinel

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Netori is just another form of Male PoV getting chicks.

The most fun for me is as you said, sadistic desires AND female corruption/degradation. Netorase is the worst form of NTR for me. Loses all its charm if the cheated guy asks for it.
There is no suffering when the guy literally truly gets off from that, right? Or is it because the power solely remains on the guy's hands?
 

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Weird move to be honest.

I mean I like NTR as much as the next guy who frequents these threads but I would never make fun of those who want an option for a happy ending.
Sometimes I welcome additions like happy endings to have a what if scenario. Most of the time I go for these endings first and then the NTR stuff to see how much the characters gets corrupted.

I guess people then wont play this expansion of the main game since Aya seems to be a fan favorite.
Haven't played the main game yet. Not in a mood for VNs recently but it is on my backlog.
Most guys with a spine and actual man balls (basically non and never will be sad sack cucks) that would rather beat the the piss out out of some arrogant piece of garbage who tried to get a piece of our girl... we just cant and prob never will be able to fathom being in this scenario or worst accepting it. Beta cucks are a ridiculously sad (for want of a better word) gross twerpy kinda sloppy seconds lovers which makes no sense at all.

Basically the game is primarily for spineless cucks plain and simple and odds are the dev falls into that category with astonishing ease.
 

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Most guys with a spine and actual man balls (basically non and never will be sad sack cucks) that would rather beat the the piss out out of some arrogant piece of garbage who tried to get a piece of our girl... we just cant and prob never will be able to fathom being in this scenario or worst accepting it. Beta cucks are a ridiculously sad (for want of a better word) gross twerpy kinda sloppy seconds lovers which makes no sense at all.

Basically the game is primarily for spineless cucks plain and simple and odds are the dev falls into that category with astonishing ease.
What are you yapping on about? :ROFLMAO:
 

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Most guys with a spine and actual man balls (basically non and never will be sad sack cucks) that would rather beat the the piss out out of some arrogant piece of garbage who tried to get a piece of our girl... we just cant and prob never will be able to fathom being in this scenario or worst accepting it. Beta cucks are a ridiculously sad (for want of a better word) gross twerpy kinda sloppy seconds lovers which makes no sense at all.

Basically the game is primarily for spineless cucks plain and simple and odds are the dev falls into that category with astonishing ease.
Damn we got an Alpha Male in adult game forum. thats so rare seeing giga chads and alphas on here. he was kind enough to give us life lesson for free. thanks buddy :sneaky:
 

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Most guys with a spine and actual man balls (basically non and never will be sad sack cucks) that would rather beat the the piss out out of some arrogant piece of garbage who tried to get a piece of our girl... we just cant and prob never will be able to fathom being in this scenario or worst accepting it. Beta cucks are a ridiculously sad (for want of a better word) gross twerpy kinda sloppy seconds lovers which makes no sense at all.

Basically the game is primarily for spineless cucks plain and simple and odds are the dev falls into that category with astonishing ease.
Are you lost fella? Why are you on page 83 of a cuckolding game and complaining that the game does, in fact, have a cuckold.
 

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Read this over the week (saw all 3 endings) and man, I had A LOT of fun with this.

There are so many good scenes: the first time Aya gets fucked by Luca, the VR warehouse, the lasagna, the casino (I fucking love this one), the post-meeting scene, the conference room, the infirmary, the kotatsu, the new year sunrise scene (I love this one too), the bench scene where she finally truly falls + the next scene in the Innocent route (these two scenes together might be my absolute TOP favorite), the Italian flag bikini scene, the ending scenes for the Indecisive and Guilty routes and so on etc etc.

This was very satisfying to read/play.
Aya is so cute and goofy, which made so insanely fucking hot when she's finally corrupted.
 

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Most guys with a spine and actual man balls (basically non and never will be sad sack cucks) that would rather beat the the piss out out of some arrogant piece of garbage who tried to get a piece of our girl... we just cant and prob never will be able to fathom being in this scenario or worst accepting it. Beta cucks are a ridiculously sad (for want of a better word) gross twerpy kinda sloppy seconds lovers which makes no sense at all.

Basically the game is primarily for spineless cucks plain and simple and odds are the dev falls into that category with astonishing ease.
i swear to god ntr is the only fetish where the people who don't like it actively seek it out just to loudly declare to everyone how much they don't like it. it's so weird.
 

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i swear to god ntr is the only fetish where the people who don't like it actively seek it out just to loudly declare to everyone how much they don't like it. it's so weird.
I can name one more fetish aka the netorase crowd who constantly have to deal with the ntr crowd who keeps telling how the game should become ntr to be better. They do the exact same thing to that crowd what the vanilla ones do to them.
 
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I can name one more fetish aka the netorase crowd who constantly have to deal with the ntr crowd who keeps telling how the game should become ntr to be better. They do the exact same thing to that crowd what the vanilla ones do to them.
The difference is that its always very clear that a game is NTR (because of the tag, often even by the name). If you don't like NTR its very easy to avoid these games altogether. You wouldn't also complain that you have to shoot people in a FPS, right?

NTR/NTS is different because you never know because there is only the NTR tag. So people start playing, get something they don't want and complain.
 

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i swear to god ntr is the only fetish where the people who don't like it actively seek it out just to loudly declare to everyone how much they don't like it. it's so weird.
Well, that's because they do like it.
They just grew up in a toxic environment. That's how they were treated as a kid when they "didn't fit" - and that's how they learned to defend themselves. To virtue signal as loudly as possible.
And no, it's not just ntr. It's anything people think they should be judged for.
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The difference is that its always very clear that a game is NTR (because of the tag, often even by the name). If you don't like NTR its very easy to avoid these games altogether. You wouldn't also complain that you have to shoot people in a FPS, right?

NTR/NTS is different because you never know because there is only the NTR tag. So people start playing, get something they don't want and complain.
Well, there's 'swinging' tag.
NTS authors almost always include it - even if there's no actual swapping couples. It effectively became a replacement for an NTS tag, in the absence of one.
 

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I've only finished the Indecisive route, but I feel the need to speak my mind a little. Based on the law of large numbers, you can imagine someone like the Harry portrayed in the game existing in reality—a spineless, weak-willed, extremely unobservant, cowardly, and indecisive pushover... such people do exist.

What's hard to imagine, however, is that throughout the entire game, despite everything that happens to him, he doesn't change. At all. In any way. Whatsoever. Aya changes because of her experiences, Laura does too, even Luka. But not Harry.

The neural networks in our heads don't work like that. Such massive, life-altering events as the ones he went through cause colossal shifts. There are many directions these shifts can take (i.e., how his personality changes), and it depends on many factors, but one thing is for certain—he would never be the same person again.

In the first game, there were endings where Harry reacted and changed; in one of them, he even chopped Luka to pieces, and that's logical, plausible, and possible. But here—here it's not like that. And this shatters the whole narrative illusion much more severely than Aya's metamorphoses or anything else.

After such a catastrophic shift (his entire world collapsed), he could have done anything—try to run away, become embittered, commit suicide, lie in a fetal position unresponsive to the world—but he would not remain the same indecisive, spineless wimp.

Character development over the course of a story is one of the key details in any work of fiction, be it a movie, book, or game.

And finally, I'd like to say that despite my criticisms, the creators of APBLU (both of them) are simply amazing. It's a masterpiece. They'll probably never see this: but you're fucking incredible."
 
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What's hard to imagine, however, is that throughout the entire game, despite everything that happens to him, he doesn't change. At all. In any way. Whatsoever. Aya changes because of her experiences, Laura does too, even Luka. But not Harry.
Harry changes quite drastically actually, after Laura left him.
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Harry changes quite drastically actually, after Laura left him.
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And at no point did I say that I wanted him to chop people into pieces. You are putting these words in my mouth and then exposing this as insanity. This technique is called a 'straw man fallacy,' and it requires skill to use properly; you, however, are doing it in an extremely primitive and pathetic way.

And the fact that you cannot comprehend that there are different possible reactions, different situations, and different factors that lead to certain actions — all of which are conditioned by our biology and are natural and logical — only speaks to your lack of data, limited life experience, and narrow worldview
 

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[...] For those who haven't seen the first part, Laura left him at the very beginning of the story, in the backstory. So he is presented to us at the start of this story already with this established character and remains this way until the very end. [...]
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And at no point did I say that I wanted him to chop people into pieces. You are putting these words in my mouth
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This technique is called a 'straw man fallacy,' and it requires skill to use properly; you, however, are doing it in an extremely primitive and pathetic way.

And the fact that you cannot comprehend that there are different possible reactions, different situations, and different factors that lead to certain actions — all of which are conditioned by our biology and are natural and logical — only speaks to your lack of data, limited life experience, and narrow worldview
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- First he changes from bullied fat boy in school to handsome man that is trying to succeed at work - for his girlfriend. For Laura. That is his backstory.
- Then the game starts.
- Then he gets abandoned by Laura.
"That is all backstory — events from the previous game and a pivotal turning point (Laura leaving him) that allows this game to happen. These are the given circumstances.

And it is from this precise moment that the current story begins.

We are presented with this Harry (his character is shown and described to us, having become different because of this event, as you correctly noted yourself), and from this point, the setup ends, and we will observe him remain completely unchanged until the very end.

This event changed him, but none of the subsequent events, which I have already listed, had any effect on him.

The brain does not work that way. It is fundamentally structured differently.

Harry changing in the opposite way of Aya's expectations - is the main tragedy of the game.
This is a great move and it could have been valid if changes were happening, but they are not, and this shatters the immersion. One can accept various coincidences and narrative conventions, but not ones that directly contradict fundamental biological principles. It's as if a human suddenly started breathing underwater. The organism is physically incapable of it, but the story would simply state that he does.

"In the first game, there were endings where Harry reacted and changed; in one of them, he even chopped Luka to pieces, and that's logical, plausible, and possible. But here—here it's not like that."
-Please show me where in this statement I said that I wanted him to start chopping people to pieces? It is written in plain English: that in one of the endings, Harry "chopped Luka to pieces." Where is there anything about my personal wants or desires?

To summarize everything stated above: I'm sorry, but you only see what you want to see, and if it isn't there, you try to invent it, both regarding the game and our debate. Forgive my bluntness, but you lack both the knowledge and the competence, and frankly, I am no longer interested in continuing this dialogue. If you decide to study neurobiology, neuropsychology, and behavioral biology, then perhaps we can resume it in the future.
No offense intended."
 
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