Unlike most people here I actually think the Clumsy Hero ending was a W for Harry. Ultimately he's still alive, Laura still loves him, and his sworn enemy is now dead. It's difficult to imagine an aftermath where things get worse for him rather than better, even if he and Laura don't get back together. Even if we never get another ending where Luca loses I'm somewhat satisfied with that one and I disagree with the notion that he was still victorious in death.
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I like that ending. Laura did what she set out to do, which suites her character the most. Luca is almost, maybe is, comically evil to Harry, very little outside of his death would've stopped him from destroying Harry's life.
Fallen hero ending should be about Laura getting rid of Luca with Harry's and Sandra's help, but she would do that to make sure her mother won't be stolen from her and would actually still fuck behind Harry's back with her mother and her customers, because her hedonist switch would be flipped by that point. Would serve the "fallen hero" theme perfectly since she would still be a hero, but completely fallen to the lust. We could also get some nice orgy ending scene with two women and multiple men.
But of course that would be too much. We can't have that in a game where god emperor Luca is the one and only and his dick is law, mindbreaking women left and right including the one that literally has sex with men for a living.
But of course that would be too much. We can't have that in a game where god emperor Luca is the one and only and his dick is law, mindbreaking women left and right including the one that literally has sex with men for a living.
This is by far the best ending. The sad thing Laura and Harry won't be together even in this scenario. I am sure Harry would forgive her but she says
It's a shame but I think that's a pretty realistic touch.
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I was incorrect by saying she explicitly said it, but the last line of her is "I wouldn't" which to me implies it. It's been awhile since I viewed it and conflated the two. But to me it makes it obvious that they won't work even in this ending.
Again, you are completely incorrect, because that scene has nothing to do with Laura not respecting Harry if he took her back.
She asks him "internally" hoping if he would be able to forgive her and love a murderer, saying that if roles were reversed she wouldn't be able to do it. We don't know Harry's opinion about Laura after he finds out, so the ending is completely open, but in my opinion it's safe to assume he would take her back just out of guilt that he caused all of this to begin with.
Not to suggest I'd be dumb enough to give Luca that USB in the first place, but if I found myself in the exact position Harry was in in that ending I'd have a pretty easy time forgiving Laura since she's the real victim in all of this and she was only killing her rapist for my sake.
I think your interpretation is valid as is mine. I do not doubt that Harry will take her back. Where we disagree is it sounds you think Laura would welcome it where I think she would now see it as a weakness since she wouldn't be able to forgive. To be honest, I hope I'm wrong but I think the overall experience has changed her (or revealed her true nature though I dislike even typing that out) I will admit it is open to interpretation and purposefully I'm sure. In either case it's my favourite ending because it gives Laura some agency though I wish Harry would do /something/ at some point.
Of course she would, she did all of that for Harry after all and she hopes Harry will love her still, it's right there, she says it right there
Then yet again, you are wrong, because nothing about that ending scene has anything to do with "weakness" or "losing respect". You are making things up and have absolutely no proof for your theory. It's about burden of living with a killer, even if that kill was justified (she did kill a murderer and rapist after all). It's nothing but your own headcanon, I have no idea how can you see this:
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and think "yeah, she's totally gonna lose respect for Harry if he takes her back". This scene has NOTHING to do with respect. It has everything to do with her hoping that Harry will take her back, because if roles were reversed - the burden of living with a killer would be too much for her. But there is ZERO indication that in the current scenario where SHE is a killer, she will lose respect for Harry for taking her back. It's the absolute opposite, she wishes for it.
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Hmmm, for some reason you cut it off right before the crux of what's being discussed. If it ended where you posted I'd love it, but it didn't end there. It continued which is important.
What happens right after is: (screen darkens_)
"Say....Harry...
Do you think you can forgive a cheater and a murderer...?
...I know I wouldn't"
And last line is italicized showing it's importance. Why include it and why italicize it? Because it's important to who Laura is and how she now sees the world in her deepest throughts.
For the record, I would prefer your interpretation in the scenario, it's nicer but this game isn't nice. There is no happy ending for the two of them though I really wish there was.
What happens right after is: (screen darkens_)
"Say....Harry...
Do you think you can forgive a cheater and a murderer...?
...I know I wouldn't"
And last line is italicized showing it's importance. Why include it and why italicize it? Because it's important to who Laura is and how she now sees the world in her deepest throughts.
For the record, I would prefer your interpretation in the scenario, it's nicer but this game isn't nice. There is no happy ending for the two of them though I really wish there was.
First remember that Laura looks at herself as someone dirty compared to Harry, Harry is the ideal she would like to become.
She asks if he would forgive cheater and murderer ... does she consider circumstances in that statement?
Harry ultimately already forgave her for cheating or doesn't even consider her to be cheating to begin with. He chose to believe in her through everything, he chose to believe that there is reason in what she is doing and the she wouldn't hurt him otherwise.
So the question really becomes about the murderer part - but again is that something she needs forgiveness for ? Being the victim there and trying to protect loved one i think for most it classifies as self defense.
I believe Laura already knows that Harry will forgive her but she nonetheless feels disgust with herself that she ended up hurting Harry and killed a man. That is why she puts emphasis on not wanting to forgive such person, she believes she doesn't deserve forgiveness. But at the same time she wants to be like Harry right ? and Harry will forgive, hopefully she will understand that her desire to self punish herself is at odds with Harry happiness.
Certainly could be right, and again I hope the nicer interpretation is correct. Have a feeling it isn't though. /shrug. It's a well written game that allows for this much discussion.
I've cut it because there is nothing that proves your theory right or disproves what I say. And I literally mentioned those lines twice already in my posts with added context to the whole situation.
Of course, but it has nothing to do with her losing respect for Harry if he takes her back. It's used to point out that Laura knows what she did, how serious her situation is and that even though she hopes Harry forgives her, she wouldn't be able to do it if roles were reversed, because of how grave it all is. That's literally it. She knows it would take someone above her to forgive something like that, and that's why she thinks it. That's the extent of the information presented in the game. Everything else about "respect" is your added headcanon.
Anyway I feel like we are kinda in a loop right now so to make things short and final from me: you have a theory with zero actual proof in the game and are literally grasping for straws implying italicized font means Laura will lose respect for Harry if he takes her back. You are literally and unironically claiming that a woman in distress from killing someone and ending her long suffering thinks about "respect".
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Yeah, Harry would absolutely forgive her, but I expect he'd continue to have difficulty understanding Laura's guilty conscience.
While the inciting incident for this is on Harry being too trusting of Luca, Laura bares some responsibility here. Laura says nothing to Harry about how Luca attempted to betray Harry after the drunken Aya needed an escort. Had she informed Harry, he would have known better than to trust Luca regarding anything connected to Laura.
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As I say it takes three steps back, not because I was just talking but it does give that vibe to it. The fact that mom already had an idea of how bad things were in here own shoes and still did it instead of preventing it, seems like there wasn't too much thought into it even tho I feel hc thought it was a good idea in his head.
Sadly is a porn game, if this game more grounded in reality harry wouldn't approach luca or be to dandy with him. I met a guy like that, he was like harry and didn't like approaching me because I was the opposite from him.
There are so many things that doesn't make sense besides that. The fact that laura office is the ONLY place that have a camera in corporate building makes it less realistic, and the fact that the ONLY thing they have ALL their work saved is a flashdrive makes it worse regardless of the request of the partner company since there is no idea if the computer or program could crash reverting all the work and progress made back to zero because the company is so damn ignorant on how technology work. Might as well save all the work on a flopy disk and see if that last long before someone dump it at the trash for being useless. (sorry for the rant lol)
This is a 50/50, aya have a personality disorder or some mental problems. so her head can play games with her under the idea that she is sleeping with harry. Also, is most likely that aya is going to have some laura endings since laura will probably team up with luca to take aya down while becoming his bitch in the process. An another ending where aya ends as a hooker along side the harry childhood friend. I'm calling it now since I bet hc is running out of ideas and might lean that way
