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I don't think it is about taking Luca brainwash at face value, fundamentally it is not something we can understand even becase we have no experiences to compare it to. People simply get invested in the characters, it is kinda necessary thing for the story to have impact. For most people that will take form of sympathizing with a character, undeniably whiting him/her out and putting the blame on other characters. But I guess for some people that investment can take form of hate towards character and desire to see him/her suffer.
Let me tell you why some people may not like Harry.
The titular promise is Harry's idea and proof he does not understand Laura, you could say he is putting the promotion above their relationship with it. He is nagging and drilling Laura to reconcile with mother despite knowing she doesn't want to and can guess there is trauma involved. Being someone with trauma he should understand her. He essentially puts his principles above Laura wishes. Then when he is being asked about his trauma he hides the truth. When they have fight he is unable to explain himself and make Laura understand him just to later consult his principles and be like "No i need to make her understand!" oh fuck off Harry. The whole pendrive situation, it is more than trusting Luca, he makes nothing of using personal knowledge about Laura to enter her office, the idea that he violates her space does not occur to him.
I'm not saying that is the right way to see things, I'm saying that is one way you can see things.
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completely agree nothing is ever black and white. I just cant see Harry as the big bad with Reverse Flash(Lucas) looming in the background. Bro literally said "I just hate seeing Harry have it better than me".
i personally think Harry's character changes depending on the choices, it makes sense to me.
i also think the cause of their relationship downfall is the trust and expectation he puts on laura.
one example is what u said about the usb, how he expects laura to just let it slide.
also the way he pressures her in his own way to be perfect, that's the main flaw luca used to break her, harry never tries to do anything wrong, always being righteous make her try to be the same despite not being that person.
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I just started playing, I'm right at the start where the gang goes out to drink and I just gotta say that damn. this dev is good with character building.
this won't be a harrowing experience at all will it oh noo
*gulp*
edit: goddamit Aya, why did you have to do THAT
this won't be a harrowing experience at all will it oh noo
*gulp*
edit: goddamit Aya, why did you have to do THAT
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So going out of your way to ruin someone's life for no reason other than self-pleasure, coercing, raping women and drugging people is somehow less toxic than...I guess depending on others emotionally to some extent?
Harry may be a pathetic dumbfuck, but acting like his behavior is worse than Luca or Laura in this game is psychopathic delusion.
- Feb 10, 2020
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I rather be used by a Luca than having a Harry clinged on me. Sorry not sorry, but I despice the idiot. This is a dark depraved story. If you can't drag yourself into the corruption pit and be part of the debauchery is not on us who do want to get that feeling from the game to be blamed. I'd be a dozen times worse than Laura just to get rid of a Harry.
In case you ask, I think Luca deserves to be in jail, he is a piece of shit, and not the kind of NTR villain I like, but we get what we get and is the character the writer choose to fill that role.
In case you ask, I think Luca deserves to be in jail, he is a piece of shit, and not the kind of NTR villain I like, but we get what we get and is the character the writer choose to fill that role.
Or maybe you could be a normal human being and tell Harry that you're not going to be with him anymore?
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Of course. But not every person is capable of dealing with other people's melodrama and get absorbed into it. I'm not placing myself in a moral pedestal. I would never date a guy like Harry twice but I'm me, not someone else's. And being stained by an evil person like Luca happens A LOT.
Man, I'm not the biggest fan of NTR genre and play some of these games just to experience something different. Sometimes it's easy lighthearted stories which present your Cuck character as an ignorant idiot, who deserves the things that are about to happen. But in here, the MC is not a jerk, just your typical blind naive guy...Jeez, that's one of these NTR games that just make you feel helplesness, anger and disgust. IMO, some of these stories lack the payoff, where eventually(as one of options, of course) there is a good ending and the antagonist either gets his ass whooped or defeated by the protagonist in any kind of way.
But if you rank it purely in NTR terms(and I categorize it that if the game tends to make me,a guy who doesn't get hard from stuff like this, to fume with frustration and anger - it's great) - it's pretty close to 10/10.
If you're a fan of the genre - you'll love it.
If you're not - well, good luck with not getting your feelings hurt.
Edit: also, this game gives me a lot of Eobard Thawne vibes, where the antagonist doesn't get as much pleasure from fucking women as much as making the protagonist's life miserable.
Never looked deep into the genre, but surprised that never saw an NTR plot with Reverse-Flash stealing all the loved ones from Barry Allen.
But if you rank it purely in NTR terms(and I categorize it that if the game tends to make me,a guy who doesn't get hard from stuff like this, to fume with frustration and anger - it's great) - it's pretty close to 10/10.
If you're a fan of the genre - you'll love it.
If you're not - well, good luck with not getting your feelings hurt.
Edit: also, this game gives me a lot of Eobard Thawne vibes, where the antagonist doesn't get as much pleasure from fucking women as much as making the protagonist's life miserable.
Never looked deep into the genre, but surprised that never saw an NTR plot with Reverse-Flash stealing all the loved ones from Barry Allen.
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Lmao. I swear, out of the most comic book villains, Thawne's motivations are probably the weirdest. It's not about ruling the world or changing it. It's just making one dude's life a living hell over nothing.What makes you think he hasn't
It was me all along Barry!!!
- Sep 21, 2018
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Harry did nothing wrong. He worked soo hard for 2 whole years trying to get into Laura's heart, only to just now get into the door. He did that because he loves her. If she had reflected that love back at Harry, like a mirror, like how love works, she would've be kinda okay for Harry. She does love him enough to fight for him, enough to kill for him. She has her mother's blood in her and didn't, at all, guard against, take it into account when dealing with Luca. She overestimates herself and in the end is 'dyed' in Luca's color. Harry is so blinded by his love for her, he can't see, wont see her faults, willfully wont see that she's changed, changed for the worse.
I think Harry should've pick up on Laura changes long ago, figured out what she was doing all this time, and made a decision. Just because I think he should have, and he's blind for not doing so, doesn't mean he's able in his current state of mind. That doesn't make him an antagonist. Luca is, he manipulates everyone he can to hurt Harry, rape Laura, Aya, many others, all for self satisfaction, proving his mother right. Makes me think he needs Harry, in some twisted warped sense, maybe like a guide stone, the only thing right in his life, not like the others, not like him. Laura is, just like Luca, at least in the end 'dyed his color', doing all the same sick actions, for the similar reasons. She still in this update fights for her relationship with Harry, in her own wicked, corrupted way. Maybe she just wanted a 'legit' reason to ride the magic Luca. Her nightclub dress can't compare to Aya's. Her choice in date spot was a place she didn't want to be, a fake, weak attempt to emulate a spark that Aya is able to naturally create with Harry on their vomit inducing first date. Laura is so detached all she can think of to please Harry is what she's already done for Luca. She is become so vile, so rancid, I barely see her as a woman, sorry to the artist(s) who put so much work into making her hot.
When faced with Aya, who loves him. As in really loves him, radiant love, like sunshine, nearing obsession, possibly obsession. She shows him love like he shows it to Laura. She doesn't see, or care about, his faults. Aya is not like Laura. Harry was hit like a meteorite. So he kissed Aya. Even if he was manipulated by Aya, they are so compatible he kissed her, with love. Compatibility is something Harry can't have, or barely has, with Laura. Aya did so, to my knowledge, because she very well knows what Harry is deep in, even if he only has a small, nagging idea of what's going on, to push him preferably to her. She does this in a half measure, too late to stop what's happened to her so far, she thinks it's not true love if she manipulates him. Be still my heart for her attempted moral crime of manipulating Harry into beating her clitoris with his balls, while her moaning voice screams out her love for him and her ass bounces wildly on his hips, her larger than average boobs smashing into the sheets, as he's working hard on giving her their 1st child, both in complete loving lustful bliss, holy shit! the tragedy. She does it every time she sees him. She wears a cute white dress with thigh highs, shows him her swimsuit photos, then wears tight shorts and a very low cut shirt with mid drift, wears over priced panties so he can touch her through them, openly says her ass is only for him. It's a shame it's not completely true now, but there in is the drama. She smashes her modest-I mean big-boobs together, pushes them on him, tactfully bounces herself for him. Aya does for Harry everyday she's able to interact with him, what Laura has only ever done for Luca.
Aya physically has more stamina and speed than all other characters. She ran them all ragged before the ferris wheel scene. I have little idea as to why, Aya is a wall of questions. Now she knows Harry loves her, that he doubts Laura, what will she do now? Will it just be the next stage of the game, or will she somehow trap her rapists, both, or something else entirely?
These are just my observations. In case there's doubt, I'm enjoying this route very much so far.
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I think Harry should've pick up on Laura changes long ago, figured out what she was doing all this time, and made a decision. Just because I think he should have, and he's blind for not doing so, doesn't mean he's able in his current state of mind. That doesn't make him an antagonist. Luca is, he manipulates everyone he can to hurt Harry, rape Laura, Aya, many others, all for self satisfaction, proving his mother right. Makes me think he needs Harry, in some twisted warped sense, maybe like a guide stone, the only thing right in his life, not like the others, not like him. Laura is, just like Luca, at least in the end 'dyed his color', doing all the same sick actions, for the similar reasons. She still in this update fights for her relationship with Harry, in her own wicked, corrupted way. Maybe she just wanted a 'legit' reason to ride the magic Luca. Her nightclub dress can't compare to Aya's. Her choice in date spot was a place she didn't want to be, a fake, weak attempt to emulate a spark that Aya is able to naturally create with Harry on their vomit inducing first date. Laura is so detached all she can think of to please Harry is what she's already done for Luca. She is become so vile, so rancid, I barely see her as a woman, sorry to the artist(s) who put so much work into making her hot.
When faced with Aya, who loves him. As in really loves him, radiant love, like sunshine, nearing obsession, possibly obsession. She shows him love like he shows it to Laura. She doesn't see, or care about, his faults. Aya is not like Laura. Harry was hit like a meteorite. So he kissed Aya. Even if he was manipulated by Aya, they are so compatible he kissed her, with love. Compatibility is something Harry can't have, or barely has, with Laura. Aya did so, to my knowledge, because she very well knows what Harry is deep in, even if he only has a small, nagging idea of what's going on, to push him preferably to her. She does this in a half measure, too late to stop what's happened to her so far, she thinks it's not true love if she manipulates him. Be still my heart for her attempted moral crime of manipulating Harry into beating her clitoris with his balls, while her moaning voice screams out her love for him and her ass bounces wildly on his hips, her larger than average boobs smashing into the sheets, as he's working hard on giving her their 1st child, both in complete loving lustful bliss, holy shit! the tragedy. She does it every time she sees him. She wears a cute white dress with thigh highs, shows him her swimsuit photos, then wears tight shorts and a very low cut shirt with mid drift, wears over priced panties so he can touch her through them, openly says her ass is only for him. It's a shame it's not completely true now, but there in is the drama. She smashes her modest-I mean big-boobs together, pushes them on him, tactfully bounces herself for him. Aya does for Harry everyday she's able to interact with him, what Laura has only ever done for Luca.
Aya physically has more stamina and speed than all other characters. She ran them all ragged before the ferris wheel scene. I have little idea as to why, Aya is a wall of questions. Now she knows Harry loves her, that he doubts Laura, what will she do now? Will it just be the next stage of the game, or will she somehow trap her rapists, both, or something else entirely?
These are just my observations. In case there's doubt, I'm enjoying this route very much so far.
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I'm not playing it since I'm more netori (laugh all you want) and regular ntr doesn't really feel god to me unless there is a revenge or move on ending, and from what I read, the "good ending" might not be satisfying, unless aya also have a more fledge out good ending *cross fingers* sorry, if I sound like a disappointed
even if the website is full of vanilla lovers, the second writer was fired (explanation below on why she got fired) and the artist dip, that's why it went into haitus lol yet the artist was still getting heat on his new project
you mean poorly written since their actions didn't make sense and there was constant personality changes with them in every chapter, the author had no consistency. want to hear the funniest thing about the writer? she hates men a lot so her writing was meant to be as a way to show her dissatisfaction of the story. On top of that, I heard that it was her first story and she was leaking content of other series, how truth is that? I don't know, just rumors I've heard from communities that follow the story, why did she picked up the story? don't know, probably money. I do have to add, the third author was kind of the fence to pick up the story (as I said before the heat the series was getting) and said that he will "try" to fix whatever he can from the previous writer since the story was a mess..... I still want to know how the boss lady got the antagonist phone number? lol
what happen to the artist? he was lied and believed that there was supposed to be some sort of revenge story. how truth is that? again, don't know, but I do know that he left after chapter 60, that's why the manwha went into haitus for 2 or 3 weeks and started working on a vanilla manwha on a different publisher, until the toptoon (I think that's the publisher) had three meetings with him and managed to get him to work on the series with some conditions, what are those? again, don't know
who hurt you? lmao you seem to be hating on that specific type of personality too much, sort of gives the impression you have experience that at some level
Well, I believe that this story was meant to be a revenge story or at least more of a drama story with rivalry with the antagonist and the mc but the fact that the second writer had no intention to move the story forward was sort of noticed if you keep in mind that a single sex scene was three chapters long
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This reasoning is very self-centered. You're blaming your partner for your own inability to break up and then going on to justify betraying his trust and humiliating him behind his back under the excuse that you got manipulated into it. In both the former and latter there's a refusal to take accountability for your actions and a drive to place blame on others.
As for this game being about corruption, getting off to something isn't the same as trying to seriously defend it.
Strange... usually I put things off specifically for very bad writing. But I guess anything would seem good if my previous reading before that was a family harem manwha, where the guy is 18+, learns about masturbation and suddenly his pee pee hurts and still needs mommy to help him (Secret class).
By constant personality changes I guess you mean MCs wife? In general the characters and their paths have made sense to me and nothing too crazy.
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For real though, sure at the beginning maybe his worldview was taking a bit of an emotional toll on Laura but the vast majority of the game he's completely miserable because his girlfriend is either ignoring him or in some way placing the blame on him when all he wants to do is set things right with her. Like... imagine calling someone a parasite because they're upset that his relationship is falling apart through almost no fault of his own. He's not perfect but he's (at least in my opinion) by far the most reasonable character in the story.
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An almost perfect game for me. I kinda want to see an MC go full pathetic loser.
Make him actually a virgin and never have a chance to fuck his crush. He is desperate and then he masturbate to the girl(s) he can't get a lot. And maybe some SPH scenes here and there.
Make him actually a virgin and never have a chance to fuck his crush. He is desperate and then he masturbate to the girl(s) he can't get a lot. And maybe some SPH scenes here and there.