acowasto

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The game is set so she is about to reach the breaking point and "fate" send the MC "just in time" to start helping her.

We could think the problem was she wasn't selling what the farm produced directly to the Army, but to intermediaries, like Lucious and Thomas. It could be that they don't respect her enought to give her a good deal, because she is a girl and is negotiating alone, and she got taken advantage of.

Plus the MC is a lot better than her at farming and can work at any time.

But the farm shouldn't be that dependant on the MC's constant attention.
Y'all... Less land is less work. One person doesn't need lots of land since she wouldn't be able to work it anyway. Taxes are high for everyone. Food is in DEMAND during war time. Even one person working the farm sized for one person should be at a Profit. Maybe she doesn't earn enough to pay taxes for her house, but the business should still be at a profit. Farm wouldn't benefit during war time only if the military is demanding food offerings instead of buying it.

But she's got MC which is actually a money generation machine diverting his attention to her farm and it still can't profit without heavy work on his part, and he could print more money than that doing his own stuff, so that's a bit questionable.

And if business is That bad, I don't know how she even managed to survive this long without MC.
I'll allow myself to add my two groschens into this discussion.

Penny had to take over familiy estate while being completely unprepared for it. She's a fair certainly knowing a lot about many aspects of farming, but managment and bargain are certainly not her well developed skills due to her rather timid personality.

After all, she sold almost all of good land to coldstone instead of leasing it, she's always selling to lucius (and bread to tavern), promising more next harvest instead of trying to bargain for better price or simply looking for other buyers. She's the one explaining basics of farming to main character and taking care of thiers fields (Notice your field simply doesn't have weeds) and animals (once donkey, horse, chickens and cows are there) on daily basis. Something MC ain't doing, because he's out there, working, fighting, hunting, doing something... or someone.

But, sadly, she can't do everything alone, because she's only a fair maiden and her time is simply limited and she simply can't do everything at once. She's working hard on those little and poor fields she left herself from which she has to not only earn enough coin to pay high war taxes, but also harvest enough to feed herself. Not to mention having to thresh wheat, then grind it into flour and then making bread. So she's there simply surviving all alone with little will to live, doing everything alone while her house and barn are simply decaying day by day.

MC offering her a helping hand around the farm isn't but a long needed help she needs, but also a purpose for her. Because instead of simply surviving from day to day hoping for the best she can actually help someone in need.

That aside... it's a game. It's simply tailored to make us feel like a hero they needed, to tickle our feelings, to improve our mood.

Edit 1. - Good idea to write into someone's post... moving [/quote] to where it should be.
 
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Qianke

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would be nice to see more content with Tia and the Orcs on NTR path...This kinda monster NTR is very rare(it's rape but the way it is written...the girl comes to acknowledge that the orcs are superior stock by herself which is pretty hot corruption(inevitability is big part of NTR as a whole genre and here this point is very strongly accentuated by the fact that Tia is presented as someone that is probably naturally predisposed to liking Orcs because of the story behind her birth and orc genes, ergo no matter what MC does she will always prefer the orc deep down, it is unavoidable). like a hostage falling for the kidnapper, really dark and very depraved.), the only game that comes to mind is Noxian Nights minotaur ending. Her and her mother seem to be into that too. :giggle:

@Chyos Dunno if you wrote entire subroute with this in mind but if you haven't...this is the reason why it's hot. I have a feeling you nailed it completely by accident though, no offence haha. Just that most people don't really understand all these NTR flavours, it's already a lot if they know the distinction between netori, netorase, netorare etc, but the ideas behind these fetishes are too much to understand for most.

Penny's route was also dony pretty well, you could say it was just classic netori, nothing over the top, kinda like vanilla ice cream, it's pretty basic but everybody likes it. If there was one thing lacking that would probably be the scenes themselves, the corruption is largely unfinished.

Frisha's NTR route could be a classic father figure NTR, where the wife/girlfriend of the son gets stolen by the father, how good it actually becomes would depend how well you emphasize the difference between the son and the father, comparing the cuck with the bull is also big point of NTR, which as a genre is often very devoid of logic, because, there is little reason for the young healthy woman to prefer an old man over young dude, so there must be some well written reasons for her to sway that way. Usually it's the difference in sexual prowess in one way another. Materialistic reasons aren't that great, it makes everything more seem like a business transaction, no emotions or any depravation involved so that ain't very erotic, just plain and simple.

Didn't think much about other routes...as for love routes they are dumb and simple as they always are, you help out the damsel in distress most of the time, she falls in love and happily ever after with some escalating dirty talk. Now that I think Imarwyn is pretty much the same as Tia but another way around, she likes superior human stock deep down as opposed to an elf, it could be written in such a way too. For her corruption NTR path I guess it would be natural if at some point that elf lord showed up. But unlike Tia where Tia prefers orcs, here Imarwyn would prefer the protagonist of course.

The girls at the monastery are pretty basic, the one with the southern accent is just kinda cute and stands out writing-wise. Her corruption and NTR probably would be best if it was some basic cliche...maybe childhood friend from southern parts coming over and it can be done like Penny's? The young blonde imo, the best way to proceed with her route would be giving her impregnation fetish, since she was so averse to getting married and pregnant....her having that kinda fetish seems like a natural corruption. In case you had no good ideas for her...

The old gilf woman though...there were so many different subroutes but she seemed like a natural for some sort of BDSM, domination route because of her oppressive behaviour towards her daughter she was presented as natural sadist, so that kinda thing seems like a natural way to write her.

Other girls and routes are pretty basic for the most part too. Who else worthy of note was there...Mia's NTR route is in general rather weak, Aidalyn should have been written as way more appealing for her than our protagonist. Because of her not being written as someone that seriously attracted to Aidalyn the NTR with him is extremely bad and the Netori also feels weak because it just don't feel like there is that big emotional connection between Mira and Aidalyn so what sort of NTR? They also just become friends with benefits no big deal about anything. In my view something should have happened during the ritual and Aidalyn should have been made more menacing for the NTR or Netori to work here. Her pure love route on the other hand is plain and simple, not much to point out there.

Gwen and Sabrina's NTR route would probably need to involve some heavy futa action, I never understood that very well but this also seems like a natural development.

The stuff with Dasan, probably best to play with the hierarchy aspect, since he is the tribal chief and all. Maybe a Corruption/NTR centered around some shamanistic rituals and strange customs makes most sense. You can really go crazy with the customs, can come up with anything, like dunno a custom where chieftain selects a woman and breeds her for a whole week until she gets knocked up, pretty obvious(for scenes could just peek inside the tent every day or two, could do that any girl and it would be good netorare wrap up. For netori protagonist could have some sort of breeding competition with the chieftain and win by large margin breeding all the girls...ideas are plenty.

I only wanted to mention Tia in the post but ended up writing such a long wall, sorry :D

Right...there would also need to be a lot said about the animation and sound department but I will give it a rest...just that audio tracks and climax are very important in porn. Good audio can affect how the scene is received big time and climax speak for itself. In many scenes climaxes are spiritless and no special audio during important scenes(only anal scene with Mira at home comes to mind, not gonna say the audio is on point there but as an example, that important turning points in the route would be better off with some nice audio to accentuate the vibe better)
 
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acowasto

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would be nice to see more content with Tia and the Orcs on NTR path...This kinda monster NTR is very rare(it's rape but the way it is written...the girl comes to acknowledge that the orcs are superior stock by herself which is pretty hot corruption(inevitability is big part of NTR as a whole genre and here this point is very strongly accentuated by the fact that Tia is presented as someone that is probably naturally predisposed to liking Orcs because of the story behind her birth and orc genes, ergo no matter what MC does she will always prefer the orc deep down, it is unavoidable). like a hostage falling for the kidnapper, really dark and very depraved.), the only game that comes to mind is Noxian Nights minotaur ending. Her and her mother seem to be into that too. :giggle:

@Chyos Dunno if you wrote entire subroute with this in mind but if you haven't...this is the reason why it's hot. I have a feeling you nailed it completely by accident though, no offence haha. Just that most people don't really understand all these NTR flavours, it's already a lot if they know the distinction between netori, netorase, netorare etc, but the ideas behind these fetishes are too much to understand for most.

Penny's route was also dony pretty well, you could say it was just classic netori, nothing over the top, kinda like vanilla ice cream, it's pretty basic but everybody likes it. If there was one thing lacking that would probably be the scenes themselves, the corruption is largely unfinished.

Frisha's NTR route could be a classic father figure NTR, where the wife/girlfriend of the son gets stolen by the father, how good it actually becomes would depend how well you emphasize the difference between the son and the father, comparing the cuck with the bull is also big point of NTR, which as a genre is often very devoid of logic, because, there is little reason for the young healthy woman to prefer an old man over young dude, so there must be some well written reasons for her to sway that way. Usually it's the difference in sexual prowess in one way another. Materialistic reasons aren't that great, it makes everything more seem like a business transaction, no emotions or any depravation involved so that ain't very erotic, just plain and simple.

Didn't think much about other routes...as for love routes they are dumb and simple as they always are, you help out the damsel in distress most of the time, she falls in love and happily ever after with some escalating dirty talk. Now that I think Imarwyn is pretty much the same as Tia but another way around, she likes superior human stock deep down as opposed to an elf, it could be written in such a way too. For her corruption NTR path I guess it would be natural if at some point that elf lord showed up. But unlike Tia where Tia prefers orcs, here Imarwyn would prefer the protagonist of course.

The girls at the monastery are pretty basic, the one with the southern accent is just kinda cute and stands out writing-wise. Her corruption and NTR probably would be best if it was some basic cliche...maybe childhood friend from southern parts coming over and it can be done like Penny's? The young blonde imo, the best way to proceed with her route would be giving her impregnation fetish, since she was so averse to getting married and pregnant....her having that kinda fetish seems like a natural corruption. In case you had no good ideas for her...

The old gilf woman though...there were so many different subroutes but she seemed like a natural for some sort of BDSM, domination route because of her oppressive behaviour towards her daughter she was presented as natural sadist, so that kinda thing seems like a natural way to write her.

Other girls and routes are pretty basic for the most part too. Who else worthy of note was there...Mia's NTR route is in general rather weak, Aidalyn should have been written as way more appealing for her than our protagonist. Because of her not being written as someone that seriously attracted to Aidalyn the NTR with him is extremely bad and the Netori also feels weak because it just don't feel like there is that big emotional connection between Mira and Aidalyn so what sort of NTR? They also just become friends with benefits no big deal about anything. In my view something should have happened during the ritual and Aidalyn should have been made more menacing for the NTR or Netori to work here. Her pure love route on the other hand is plain and simple, not much to point out there.

Gwen and Sabrina's NTR route would probably need to involve some heavy futa action, I never understood that very well but this also seems like a natural development.

The stuff with Dasan, probably best to play with the hierarchy aspect, since he is the tribal chief and all. Maybe a Corruption/NTR centered around some shamanistic rituals and strange customs makes most sense. You can really go crazy with the customs, can come up with anything, like dunno a custom where chieftain selects a woman and breeds her for a whole week until she gets knocked up, pretty obvious(for scenes could just peek inside the tent every day or two, could do that any girl and it would be good netorare wrap up. For netori protagonist could have some sort of breeding competition with the chieftain and win by large margin breeding all the girls...ideas are plenty.

I only wanted to mention Tia in the post but ended up writing such a long wall, sorry :D

Right...there would also need to be a lot said about the animation and sound department but I will give it a rest...just that audio tracks and climax are very important in porn. Good audio can affect how the scene is received big time and climax speak for itself. In many scenes climaxes are spiritless and no special audio during important scenes(only anal scene with Mira at home comes to mind, not gonna say the audio is on point there but as an example, that important turning points in the route would be better off with some nice audio to accentuate the vibe better)
 

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the game is good but i've never been a fan of time passing and you having to run around before a certain time limit. i'd rather time advance at each event.
 

PrototypeMan

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"Time passing"? Uhhhh ... i mean, sure, MC can be a lazy person, but the world gives so much activity, that you - player, are mostly thinking about how NOT TO SKIP some events for whole days, if not for whole week.

Killing goblins, anvil work, killing bandits, field work, wood collecting, clay collecting, ork killing, clearing cult hideout, wheat -> bread, hunting and collecting fur for selling: that`s the short list of tasks, that i am doing after each week "from the start", completing quests in "free time". For money and exp, because the way to 50 lvl is a looooong road, around 1 game year.
 
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No. This is not a curfew game like Stardew/Sun Haven/Pacha. There's no time limit. You don't have to go back and sleep and can still do things even without sleeping or eating for... awhile, and there are places to sleep even if you are past everyone else's bed time.
 

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I'll allow myself to add my two groschens into this discussion.

Penny had to take over familiy estate while being completely unprepared for it. She's a fair certainly knowing a lot about many aspects of farming, but managment and bargain are certainly not her well developed skills due to her rather timid personality.

After all, she sold almost all of good land to coldstone instead of leasing it, she's always selling to lucius (and bread to tavern), promising more next harvest instead of trying to bargain for better price or simply looking for other buyers. She's the one explaining basics of farming to main character and taking care of thiers fields (Notice your field simply doesn't have weeds) and animals (once donkey, horse, chickens and cows are there) on daily basis. Something MC ain't doing, because he's out there, working, fighting, hunting, doing something... or someone.

But, sadly, she can't do everything alone, because she's only a fair maiden and her time is simply limited and she simply can't do everything at once. She's working hard on those little and poor fields she left herself from which she has to not only earn enough coin to pay high war taxes, but also harvest enough to feed herself. Not to mention having to thresh wheat, then grind it into flour and then making bread. So she's there simply surviving all alone with little will to live, doing everything alone while her house and barn are simply decaying day by day.

MC offering her a helping hand around the farm isn't but a long needed help she needs, but also a purpose for her. Because instead of simply surviving from day to day hoping for the best she can actually help someone in need.

That aside... it's a game. It's simply tailored to make us feel like a hero they needed, to tickle our feelings, to improve our mood.

Edit 1. - Good idea to write into someone's post... moving to where it should be.
I agree to all of that. And that is also why I want my MC to help her with improving the farm, maybe also with the bargaining. But I also don't want my MC not to be bogged down too much by helping her either. More manual labor at the beginning of the game is ok but later the MC's wits should help him to improve the farm in a way that allows Penny to hire the necessary workers and manage it profitably.

If the MC finds books on farming and animal breeding either in the Monastery or in the library in Kirlic and introduces things like sheep, goat, pig, rabbit, maybe even deer and/or horse breeding and implements some farming improvements like getting some fertile soil to the land Penny leased and some advanced manure to further fertilize the soil and improve the harvest that would be nice. At some point the hired fam workers should do the manual labor and the MC should focus more on the farm management.

Currently Penny pays double for the farm workers and the MC pays for the mercenaries protecting them. That doesn't make much sense. Maybe the MC could make some security related improvements like building additional fences and some natural barriers and maybe get some dogs to help additionally with keeping the thieves and brigands away.

Maybe the MC could also find an alternative use for the bandit hideout at the Southern Road. If it is in use by someone else there won't be that many bandits and thieves out there anymore, right?
What would make sense is to implement some quests where the army sends someone to acquire certain goods for the army. John already produces weapons and armor for the front.
The Coldstones seem to have some contracts with the army. That is where the MC should come in. Find a way to take over those contracts and boot out the Coldstones. Help Lilly to get her memories back and then bring her home to Penny. And then get rid of the Coldstones somehow, well at least him. As for Elisabeth it depends on the story.
 
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walkerjonny

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Is there already a way for Maui and Umah to get invited to the front fire in the Rumah village? It is not that nice if the two of them always have to remain in the "backyard" of the Rumah village.
 

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What just irritated me was that although I had given Penny the vegetables, when she sold the vegetables to Lucius it seemed like they were not enough. Penny was even looking a bit sad and guilty in my opinion. But that doesn't make sense. I gave her the vegetables already.
 

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I said a while back that most of the Penny issue could be resolved by a spreadsheet showing profit/loss.
If the player knew he could leave after working 3 or 15 days and the farm would be profitable, then no one would be worried.
Tack that spreadsheet on the wall and we would know when we could leave to do other quests.
 

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I agree to all of that. And that is also why I want my MC to help her with improving the farm, maybe also with the bargaining. But I also don't want my MC not to be bogged down too much by helping her either. More manual labor at the beginning of the game is ok but later the MC's wits should help him to improve the farm in a way that allows Penny to hire the necessary workers and manage it profitably.

If the MC finds books on farming and animal breeding either in the Monastery or in the library in Kirlic and introduces things like sheep, goat, pig, rabbit, maybe even deer and/or horse breeding and implements some farming improvements like getting some fertile soil to the land Penny leased and some advanced manure to further fertilize the soil and improve the harvest that would be nice. At some point the hired fam workers should do the manual labor and the MC should focus more on the farm management.

Currently Penny pays double for the farm workers and the MC pays for the mercenaries protecting them. That doesn't make much sense. Maybe the MC could make some security related improvements like building additional fences and some natural barriers and maybe get some dogs to help additionally with keeping the thieves and brigands away.

Maybe the MC could also find an alternative use for the bandit hideout at the Southern Road. If it is in use by someone else there won't be that many bandits and thieves out there anymore, right?
What would make sense is to implement some quests where the army sends someone to acquire certain goods for the army. John already produces weapons and armor for the front.
The Coldstones seem to have some contracts with the army. That is where the MC should come in. Find a way to take over those contracts and boot out the Coldstones. Help Lilly to get her memories back and then bring her home to Penny. And then get rid of the Coldstones somehow, well at least him. As for Elisabeth it depends on the story.
In Chyos we trust.
We will improve the farm just as much he's going to provide us options to do so. And there is certainly quite the amount of possible improvements to make with little work effort, but allowing players to not only greatly increase profits, but also decreasing money spent on wages.

Sure, MC could find a book about farming in the university or monastery, but I am quite affraid Penny is illiterate. But it's not like she needs one anyway. She certainly knows a lot, but doesn't have time, nor resoruces to simply do it.

Well, technically speaking, we already have rabbits being in the coop near Emily's house, but it's rather unused and undeveloped feature as of right now. Allowing Penny to take care of them, moving the coop or adding another one near Penny's house, would be certainly a good way to generate some serious income, as selling thier meat and fur is quite the money making business early game.

Well, Penny is paying workers more, becuase thier living conditions are but only a bit above primitive. Improving thier living conditions, providing them with new, or even better quality, tools and proper working clothes instead of simple rags would be certainly a good way to decrease thier payments.

As for MC's mercenaries, they are getting thier wage no matter if they work or not. At least putting them to guard work ain't making thier hands idle to cause troubles around camp and Arenfield.

Dogs would be certainly useful idea to increase security without having to pay too much. After all dog doesn't require wage, but provisions and care. And if would be nice if MC could have one too, to aid him in battle, but also to help him hunt small game until he's going to learn how to make traps.

Fences are but only useful to mark borders and keep animals at bay. Won't stop thieves and brigands from a raid. At least not without having some serious height and ditch in front. And I don't think baron is simply going to allow to fortify Arenfield with palisade, even only if partially on that side of village. On the other hand, he doesn't really care about what is happening in the village as long as money and power are flowing into his pockets.

But Coldstones are rather hard nut to crack, as they ain't simple case of a rival landlord to win or buy, but a dark plot hidden under simple farming industry.

I said a while back that most of the Penny issue could be resolved by a spreadsheet showing profit/loss.
If the player knew he could leave after working 3 or 15 days and the farm would be profitable, then no one would be worried.
Tack that spreadsheet on the wall and we would know when we could leave to do other quests.
That would certainly be helpful in managing our time in making profitable buisness out of farm instead of throwing gold from MC's pocket, even if money is overflowing from it.
 
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That is all nice and fine. That is exactly where the MC comes in. He helps her out, does several tasks which are time and energy consuming (field work, wheat grinding) and as the story develops he even helps her to lease some additional land from Giron. The MC hires the mercenaries required for protection, builds the chicken coop, renovates the barn, manages the mill repair and digs an irrigation canal and builds a pasture for cow breeding and milk production.
Normally this all should allow Penny to become profitable. But it doesn't. Th MC now just has more manual labor to do as it seems. Because now he has to check for eggs and sell them, too...

It shouldn't matter if Penny gets her vegetables from the MC at Monday already or at Friday as long as she gets them in time. And the wheat grinding should now be done by the miller, tbh. That's what this guy is hired to do. It was said that he would bring the wheat to Penny's house. So the wheat should actually never run out there. The MC could then grind some additional wheat if he has time. But the farm shouldn't depend on it anymore to be profitable already.
And originally the bread on the sideboard was meant for the MC for his own use. This also seems to have changed now.

Honestly, as of now it would make more sense if the MC would store his harvest in crates in front of Penny's house. Each Monday Penny should then take a fixed amount of vegetables out of them and sell them to Lucius. The miller should daily take a portion out of the wheat crate and grind it. There should be a defined amount for self sufficiency and one for making a decent amount of profit. Like it is the case with the potato minigame. The MC has then just to ensure to keep all the crates filled. There could also be a crate for the eggs. In that case Penny would directly get the money for selling them. Something similar could be done with the milk or even chicken meat.
Chicken and cows normally produce manure. Putting manure on the fields before planting the seeds should significantly increase the harvest.
What I'd like to see is the MC building some kind of automated watering system that waters the fields once per day. This would not only ease his work but also the one of Penny and her workers.
And I'd like the MC to be able to either buy the seeds he currently needs from Penny or from Lucius.
Pretty much every game mechanic that works well today started like this and then developed step by step. And it is not different with Penny's farm. Patience! The game is still in development :cool:
 

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In Chyos we trust.
We will improve the farm just as much he's going to provide us options to do so. And there is certainly quite the amount of possible improvements to make with little work effort, but allowing players to not only greatly increase profits, but also decreasing money spent on wages.

Sure, MC could find a book about farming in the university or monastery, but I am quite affraid Penny is illiterate. But it's not like she needs one anyway. She certainly knows a lot, but doesn't have time, nor resoruces to simply do it.

Well, technically speaking, we already have rabbits being in the coop near Emily's house, but it's rather unused and undeveloped feature as of right now. Allowing Penny to take care of them, moving the coop or adding another one near Penny's house, would be certainly a good way to generate some serious income, as selling thier meat and fur is quite the money making business early game.

Well, Penny is paying workers more, becuase thier living conditions are but only a bit above primitive. Improving thier living conditions, providing them with new, or even better quality, tools and proper working clothes instead of simple rags would be certainly a good way to decrease thier payments.

As for MC's mercenaries, they are getting thier wage no matter if they work or not. At least putting them to guard work ain't making thier hands idle to cause troubles around camp and Arenfield.

Dogs would be certainly useful idea to increase security without having to pay too much. After all dog doesn't require wage, but provisions and care. And if would be nice if MC could have one too, to aid him in battle, but also to help him hunt small game until he's going to learn how to make traps.

Fences are but only useful to mark borders and keep animals at bay. Won't stop thieves and brigands from a raid. At least not without having some serious height and ditch in front. And I don't think baron is simply going to allow to fortify Arenfield with palisade, even only if partially on that side of village. On the other hand, he doesn't really care about what is happening in the village as long as money and power are flowing into his pockets.

But Coldstones are rather hard nut to crack, as they ain't simple case of a rival landlord to win or buy, but a dark plot hidden under simple farming industry.


That would certainly be helpful in managing our time in making profitable buisness out of farm instead of throwing gold from MC's pocket, even if money is overflowing from it.
I'd rather he focuses on the storyline progression.
 

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I notice that if I leave Gurtak in charge in Calan's rest, I have the option to "bury the grudge with him" and that will complete the main quest "Revenge". How do you complete the quest in other paths if you choose to cast witchcraft on him? Also, where can I find the Seth's belt? One thing I'm sure is that it's not from the treasure hunt in Melissa's quest.
 
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